Why don't you do it?
I mean how hard can it be right?

Why would they kick you out?

it is the korean site and it was begining to become overrun by english speaking. in fact the majority is and xbsd the moderator on that site wants it back.

Well think that ruins the spirit of php dip I like the fact that this site is the original not full of variants

That's pretty stupid. Why should it matter at all what language is spoken in games? There are lots of different language games here and it seems fine.

the ancient med game was so much fun though. i like all the variants

The code is in the public domain by licensing, so xbsd has to share it. why not set up you rown site with xbsd's code and play there?

He isn't banning english speakers. He is removing the option to see the site in English. You can still probably start a game, but it will be difficult picking options for your game when the options are in Korean.

Just plop the url into translate.google.com. It has Korean as one of the "from" languages.

oh i didn;t catch it like that. still that will be difficult

Get the Google toolbar :-)

Anyway, I don't think many non-korean speakers would go through so much trouble, so it doesn't really change anything that you do all that, you won't have anyone to play with.

It seems ridiculous. After all, the number of Korean players will still be the same, and the increase in popularity in the site should help him attract more players. Bizarre.

A lot of people have the toolbar.

Perhaps, but the question is, will they use it?

I left the site because it bothered me too much to check 2 different sites, imagine if I had to do it through a toolbar translator...

@Draug: This is a misunderstanding of GPL and other open-source licenses. The base code (PHPDip) is public domain, however there is no way you can force derivatives of the code (like they have) to be public domain.

Now, Kestas MAY be able to sweet talk the developer into sharing his pieces of the code, but that's the best we can do right now...

the developer over there works a lot with kestas and has said all the variants are able to put up here when kestas has the time. since we all know he has his hands full, it might be a bit, but it will happen eventually i imagine. DJE - just be patient.

i don't think many would go through all that trouble. i just hope these maps can be put on here. both sites look the same and are php

i'll try to be. i'll just miss them a while. once all english games are finished the site goes all korean

Xapi: I think they would! I mean, it pops-up all the time almost begging you to let it translate the page.

translators are often unreliable it makes things choppy and not all the time right gramatically. people tested that on there

The maps were developed by me for the original 0.82 code. xbsd did a great job implementing some code to allow webdip to run different maps in one installation and ported his code already to 0.91.
All maps and code are already shared through the developer-forums. The gunboat and anonymous code in the new version here is from xbsd too. Don't think it will take that long to get the variant-maps here too.
Maybe kestas can give a rouge timeframe.

i sure hope so

i can see why it would be easier to encourage more koreans to play on that site if they didn't have lots of english speakers playing there.

but i'd prefer to see a blanket ban on english in their main forums, and allow us to keep playing (but quietly) unless they have a problem with the number of english games, and the server costs associated with them.

English speakers should probably get to the back of the bus like they're told.

They probably feel that there are plenty of English speaking sites already. Fair enough. It would nice to have variants here, but really I am not fussed. There have been so many great change recently, I am happy to wait for variants.

fortknox; the license does force people to share the code of derivative works, though jayp and sleepcap are sharing anyway, no sweet talking required. It's also fair enough if jayp wants to block out non-korean speaking folk, it's his site and he can do as he likes

We will get the variants ported here soon, after all that's how many of the recent changes have happened, but it might take a few weeks (because as with the recent changes here the direct patches they used over there do end up needing a fair bit of modification to be used over here).

denis we will be adding variants, but as with anonymous/gunboat games it'll be made easy to block them out if you don't want them, or search for them specifically if you do.

thank you kestas. keep up the good work

How can you force derivative works? I know the GPL licenses can not allow for it... do you have your own license on the code?

The copyright owner has the exclusive right to produce derivative works.

We use the AGPL license fortknox

DJEcc24, I'm in game 379 with you over on the other site. I haven't been able to log into the English version xbsd put up and the forgotten password email isn't coming through. So I may end up CDing. Could you post a note in the English forum?

http://game.xbsd.kr/endip/forum.php

http://game.xbsd.kr/endip/board.php?gameID=379

yes i will do that

well i went on my way to do that but it will not let me log on.. i checked and my username is right and so is my password and caps isn't on. but it still pops up incorrect...

Ah, same problem I'm having. There is a link at the bottom for getting an email to reset your password and I've tried that twice and did not get an email. Not even in my junk mail or other such folders. So as much fun as that game has been I may just have to be happy with what I accomplished and move on.

yes the variants should be on here as kestas said soon enough. looks like we are going to just have to be patient. i'll check up on the other site and see if it works later.

AGPL... interesting... I never realized you can 'force' gpl on derivative works, but I think that's the point of it. Very nice. Never realized it existed, but I'm putting it on all my open source projects :D