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NathanStr (101 D)
27 Sep 16 UTC
Leaving a game
Hi, I can't figure out how to leave a game? Help?
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TheBritishGent (185 D)
27 Sep 16 UTC
Creating an app for webDip.
Because of my schedule, I have gotten into the habit of using my phone for webDiplomacy, but the web format isn't the best for a small screen on a phone.
This thread is more about a discussion on how the app should look, support, etc.
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
03 Sep 16 UTC
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I'm married!
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Rabid Acid Badger (50 DX)
27 Sep 16 UTC
New game - Warzone 2
Sorry if wrong thread. All Free to Join. Turns 24 hours :)

http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=183362
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BusDespres (182 D)
26 Sep 16 UTC
Question for Moderators about Reliability Ratings!!!
So I have been a member since 2009, and played on and off. In 2009 I was 15 years old and still in high school. Clearly I wasn't mature and accumulated a lot of resignations over the course of my teenage years. Other than creating a new account is there anything the Moderators can do to maybe clear my history or reset this accounts stats? I love this game and love this website and any help/ideas would be greatly appreciated! Thank You!

-BusDespres
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stefanodangello (416 D)
27 Sep 16 UTC
Looking for Brazilian players for the World Cup
Self-explanatory title.

Eu, rdrivera2005 e curupira estamos tentando montar uma equipe Brasil para a Copa do Mundo (https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zkz1OHicklqk.ky67Va8gNVi0). Qualquer brasileiro por aqui é bem vindo!
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Ikaneko (97 D)
25 Sep 16 UTC
Why was Colonial taken off?
Colonial is my favourite H2H game and it would be awesome if we could play it on here. Why was it taken off and is there scope for it to be brought back?
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A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
26 Sep 16 UTC
Proposal: Make cancel and draw votes mutually exclusive
Since the introduction of hidden draw votes, we've seen a number of players voting draw and cancel at the same time. This is technically against the site rules (because using cancel to communicate is not allowed), but it's also very difficult to police.

What do people think of making cancel and draw votes mutually exclusive, so you can only do one of them at once?
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brainbomb (290 D)
22 Sep 16 UTC
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Russia 'to revive Vladimir Lenin' after Putin wins biggest majority
Cause for concern or more media scaremongering? According to Reuters the Russian government has hired a Necromancer to locate Vladimir Lenins lost Phyllactery. Could this mean the return of the 20th centuries most famous Arch Lich?
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A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
24 Sep 16 UTC
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Boston Massacre live thread
Coverage provided by our very own Valis2501 and 2ndWhiteLine! What's going on, guys?
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peterwiggin (15158 D)
21 Sep 16 UTC
Battle School Invitational
See my post in threadID=139607. Priority goes to new players and players I haven't played before.

36 hours, SoS, anon, press, WFO. If somebody makes us wait for more than 24 hours, we will either replace him or cancel, by majority vote. If you don't send press, I won't have you replaced, but I *will* hate you.
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
23 Sep 16 UTC
Play Diplomacy as it was meant to be
with me.
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MajorMitchell (1874 D)
25 Sep 16 UTC
Proposed College of Mighty Mentors
My suggestion is to create a College of Mighty Mentors.
Anyone interested ?

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Swag420 (100 DX)
24 Sep 16 UTC
Boston Massacre
hello is it me your looking for
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Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
22 Sep 16 UTC
Mod Team Announcement
See Inside
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Pomagos (268 D)
21 Sep 16 UTC
Russia 'to revive the KGB' after Putin wins biggest majority
Cause for concern or more media scaremongering?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/19/russia-to-reinstate-the-kgb-under-plan-to-combine-security-force/
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Battledoom (100 D)
22 Sep 16 UTC
Destroying units?
Ok, so I had to disband a unit last turn but never lost any SC's. Is there a way to regain my unit?
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
26 Apr 16 UTC
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Study Group Game Thread - Spring 2016
The official game thread of gameID=178166, the Spring 2016 Study Group game.
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Ismail (100 D)
21 Sep 16 UTC
Cold War forum game
There's going to be a forum game set during the Cold War. Already 50 people have reserved spots in it. The game will begin on October 1.

URL: http://eregime.org/index.php?act=idx
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Hannibal76 (100 D(B))
12 Sep 16 UTC
Hey there
Hello. Join this game.
gameID=182768
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Pomagos (268 D)
21 Sep 16 UTC
Walter Knoll Invitational
Grab a comfy chair and join this anonymous, full press game for only a ¥20 buy in. Act now while prices last.
gameID=183157
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
18 Sep 16 UTC
Intellectual self-defence, Memes, and the mute button.
So Chomsky and CGP Grey talk about different things... But if you look hard enough you can see the links.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
18 Sep 16 UTC
(Chomsky on intellectual self-defence)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_cdSoMbwTA4

Chomsky talks about intellectual self-defence. How individuals need groups backing them up, that if the whole world is against you it is very hard, if not impossible, to defend you intellectual position.

As most people on webdip seem to come here and argue about politics and freedom and every other thing, it seems that this community isn't one where we band together and support each others beliefs. But CGP Grey goes on to explain why this kind of forum based discussion DOES reinforce beliefs.

In 'This Video Will Make You Angry' (https://youtu.be/rE3j_RHkqJc ) Grey explains how ideas, like germs, spread into our heads and mutate (Richard Dawkins memes) and how in anger they continue to make themselves relevant. When we argue we reduce our opponent's position to ridicule, we create a ridiculous version of their arguement (a straw-man) and rip that to shreds. While they do the same to us.

The 'discourse' is nothing of the sort. And the mute button? It serves little purpose other than hiding the arguments we don't like - and thus reducing how angry and aggravating the forum can become.

Ok, maybe that serves the exact function on the webdip forums that was intended. But it doesn't serve to reinforce the angry ideas, to help them spread and to generate more interest in each side.

This (along with other moderation) has left the forum a much less hostile place, with much less interesting voices. It feels quieter here - and i believe that was the intent. We can become a community of gamers, who support each other in our goal of playing good, fun, games. Be it diplomacy, gunboat or mafia (NB i've only played mafia offline, but i imagine it is like public press diplomacy without the board... The only moves are each player gets to support one attack and one player dies each day... Very simply mirror of what gunboat does to diplomacy... But i digress)

We can become a community which supports each other. Which reinforces our beliefs and ideas. I don't know where this community is going, but it has been an interesting journey.
Tolstoy (1962 D)
18 Sep 16 UTC
Chomsky is a tool of the power elite. Witness how he demands today that everyone vote for Hillary, as corrupt a tool of Western Imperialism and corporatism as ever there were. He was good friends with future director of the CIA John Deutch (their offices were, supposedly, literally right down the hall from each other) when both were at MIT (aka CIA U) in the early/mid '90s. I agree with the general sentiment of the OP, but quoting the compromised sellout and probably senile Chomsky as some sort of moral authority is quite sad and puny.
Hannibal76 (100 D(B))
19 Sep 16 UTC
@Tolstoy I was kinda disappointed when he was talking about the whole vote for Hillary thing, but maybe it makes sense? I can't vote, and if I could I wouldn't have voted for either (Bernie is the savior of mankind) but maybe from his point of view it truly is the better option. I just like Chomsky a lot so I'm looking for some way to justify what he was saying :(
orathaic (1009 D(B))
19 Sep 16 UTC
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He criticised Bernie for one thing, and it was the energy goong into a presidential campaign which Chinsky felt would, win or lose, change little. That in the end you need a groundswell of local groups, each taking over control from the lobbiest, and pushing for change.

Voting for Hillary makes sense, since in his view, it doesn't matter too much who the president is, if you can't get the people involved and winning (people were involved in the occupy wallstreet protests, but they didn't win any great changes, after the 'victory' of occupying public spaces wore off, the people felt less effective) So it takes more than people and good will to change the wolrd, people also have to believe, and to generate belief you have to win.

Look at Iraq, the Iraqis don't believe in democracy, they didn't win it. It was never part of their culture to begin with, so the idea that it could be brought their by American bombs was fudamentally flawed.

Look at Occupy Wallstreet; the people felt they were winning there, for a while, and eventually their movement stalled (i wouldn't be surprise if the FBI got involved, if they were seen as a threat to national security) Chomsky champions this kind of people movement, from the civil rights movement in the 60s, to the anti-war movement in the 70s. Up to the Occupy Wallstreet movement in 2008-2011.

So it is no surprise that he said 'vote for Bernie if he wins the nomination, but Bernie should really be spending his energy on a grass roots movement - because that is the only thing which has ever changed the world.'
orathaic (1009 D(B))
19 Sep 16 UTC
Also, Tolstoy, quoting someone you don't like (or who happens to have been maligned by the powers that be, and you've eaten up their propoganda) isn't a reason to dismiss their arguement.

Infact my arguement would be as true or false, irregardless of who i quoted. You are engaging in ad hominem against the person i'm quoting instead of addressing the content of the discussion. Colour me unimpressed.
Lethologica (203 D)
19 Sep 16 UTC
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I'm...not quite sure I follow this chain of logic. How it sounds to me is something like this: "Individuals need groups to back them up intellectually. That doesn't happen here...OR DOES IT? Because according to this guy on Youtube, strawmanning each other is how we reinforce each other's ideas! But we moderated away all the interesting discussion, so now we can become a supportive community instead." These statements don't seem to interact in a way that leads to a clear conclusion. Could you help me understand what you're getting at?
orathaic (1009 D(B))
19 Sep 16 UTC
@leth, i think Chomsky is talking about safe spaces, ones where you can voice an opinion and get intellectual support. Not the kind of flame wars we sometimes get here.

The forum used to have a different kind of community interaction, one which is better described by Grey's analogy. People were not coming here for the intellectual defence, they came (to the forums, or at least stayed) because they were confident enough to fight for their views, and this formed a symbiotic relationship.

This changes with self-moderation, and managed moderation.

There was/is some intellectual self-defence going on, when other people are drawn into the arguement and they back you up (on either side) they make you feel more comfortable and secure. But the 'debate' has no reason to resolve, the ones which are more angry, more intense, and draw in more people (on both sides) are the most successful ones. Debates which are resolved are quickly forgotten and influence less people.

To take another example, i despise the way Richard Dawkins tries to inflame this kind of debate in public. He goes so far as to admit he doesn't care about the fundamentalists, that they are a lost cause, but the people in the middle ground are the ones he's trying to reach. (I could go on, but i think that illustrates the point)

I don't know what we want this forum to be. But i feel it has become less lively.
Octavious (2802 D)
19 Sep 16 UTC
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The forum is for advertising games, playing mafia, and new players asking questions such as "why do I always get Italy?".

There was a survey done some time ago in which the powers that be asked about how the forum should be run. Arguments, such as the idea that the more "enthusiastic" debates were a reason that women didn't find the site attractive, clashed with arguments in favour of the site's tradition of free speech and unrestricted flow of ideas. Those of us who rather enjoyed the old liveliness lost. This is no doubt why the site is currently overflowing with prominent women members.

I'm surprised you've forgotten.
leon1122 (190 D)
19 Sep 16 UTC
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"ones where you can voice an opinion and get intellectual support"

You mean an echo chamber? If you need support for an argument, you can look no further than the Internet. If you constantly need reassurance that your argument is right, then it probably isn't, or you have OCD.

As for why this forum isn't as lively lately, it's because no one can afford to follow 5 pages of arguments each day. We still generate more content than an echo chamber.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
19 Sep 16 UTC
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"I'm surprised you've forgotten."

I was not aware there was a survey. I was aware that the mods, admins, and owners made a conscious choice to change policy in order to make this 'the best place to play diplomacy on the internet'.

@'You mean an echo chamber?'

Not necessarily, infact i would contend that the second 'flame-war' type situation is more echo chambery. Your ideas are not being challeged when you don't take the opposition positions seriously.

But yes, i suspect all groups tend toward group think and reinforcement. But no, Leon, i don't think either of the examples you describe are accurate presentationsof the probably Chomsky is discussing (to which intellectual self-defence is his prescribed solution)

Lets say you decide communism is a good idea in 1950s America, and you discuss it openly, it is fairly hard to defend if everyone immediately tells you that it is wrong. Some people might be able to build a case for it on their own, but most would need a community backing them and acting as a sounding board etc. To help them develop the idea.
MajorMitchell (1874 D)
20 Sep 16 UTC
Are you sure there's women members ? They could be chaps with lady player names. They'll win all the games, they're too hard to defeat..woe.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
21 Sep 16 UTC
i am a woman all along


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Hannibal76 (100 D(B))
19 Sep 16 UTC
For the love of God
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CamolpidDew (75 DX)
18 Sep 16 UTC
Quick Question: In "Fall of the America Empire" can you move from Michigan to Ohio?
^
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ssorenn (0 DX)
19 Aug 16 UTC
New Press game
I have not played a press game since January and want to get back into action. looking for interest
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brainbomb (290 D)
18 Sep 16 UTC
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Quick Question: In you Fall in Love with America can you move from Michigan to Ohio?
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faded box (100 D)
18 Sep 16 UTC
@our canceled live gunboat
Let's all show up on time this time...... germany. :)
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faded box (100 D)
18 Sep 16 UTC
Start that live match again
I seen you needed one more... that's me
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
15 Sep 16 UTC
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Gore Vidal
Listening to Gore Vidal is fascinating...
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brainbomb (290 D)
15 Sep 16 UTC
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I am in the Mile High club!
Ive reached 10,000 posts on webdip. I love this community thank you for making me feel so warm and fuzzy.
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