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c0dyz (100 D)
28 Apr 16 UTC
How does this make you feel?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect
TooCoolSunday (634 D)
28 Apr 16 UTC
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I'm fine with it. When things go wrong it's always because of other people.
Lethologica (203 D)
28 Apr 16 UTC
I avoid the effect entirely by having incredibly low self-esteem. The possibility that I am engaging in false optimizing has never crossed my mind, thank you very much.
Jamiet99uk (898 D)
28 Apr 16 UTC
This is a fascinating question. I encounter this effect daily, at work, where on a daily basis I have to explain very basic things to people who should not only know those basics, but know a lot more besides.
brainbomb (290 D)
29 Apr 16 UTC
It is very true. I discovered recently that I am in fact 32 with a Masters degree in Art; being paid to talk to 18-19 year olds about Art, while operating under the assumption everyone knew just as much as me.
Jamiet99uk (898 D)
29 Apr 16 UTC
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Surely they should know at least somewhat less than you - otherwise what can you teach them?
Lethologica (203 D)
29 Apr 16 UTC
Equal but different knowledge bases, perhaps. Of course, it's generally reasonable to assume teacher and student do *not* have equal knowledge bases.
teacon7 (306 D)
29 Apr 16 UTC
1) I imagine that Socrates' examination of the people of Athens regarding their own ignorance is relevant here. Didn't Socrates argue that he was wise because... he knew that he did not know much? Human nature doesn't change.

2) That said, I suggest if this study had been done 200 years ago, or 100 years ago even, the results might have been less dramatic than the 1999 study. In my opinion, societal norms within the last 30-40 years have pushed us away from the capacity for honest assessment of our inabilities. Quotes from historians/philosophers/religious texts which make the same point as the study aside, it seems to me that the push towards "self esteem" has actively exacerbated the problem of illusory misconfidence in one's abilities.Older cultures with a different set of moral virtues (i.e., not "self esteem" but "humility") certainly experienced the same effect of the ignorant, but these cultures at least had built in moral mechanisms to handle the misconceptions. (As a shameless plug for the Christian worldview, Christianity as a philosophical outlook has built in restraints on what we'd call "pride" or "ignorant overestimation of the self" (sin), and built in means of handling failure and the anxieties relating thereto (forgiveness). Yes, yes, I know plenty of Christians who are regrettably arrogant and unforgiving... but I'm speaking of the worldview, not the people.)

3) In my experience, this effect seems to correlate with one's moral outlook. (not "moral" as in "good or bad," but "moral" as in "one's philosophical and ethical outlook"). Experience tends to inform the ignorant that they are ignorant, sometimes unpleasantly so. Legislating a world without consequences actively prevents the ignorant from gaining needed maturity and perspective ("it's okay if you phoned in this school assignment, you get an A for participation anyway!"). As one who has been magnificently ignorant in the past, I am thankful for those who provided feedback about my own inabilities, and guided me into humble knowledge of my own inabilities. That humility is the starting point for maturity of character and the ability to honestly assess one's abilities in relationship to others. My guess is that the capable/knowledgeable/experienced/mature of the world lowball their assessment of themselves precisely BECAUSE they are humble.



TL;DR: Good point, glad for the research, but the classical Christian worldview had this one figured out already when it talks about "humility" as a virtue.
Lethologica (203 D)
29 Apr 16 UTC
^ Worth noting that East Asian cultures don't exhibit the classic Dunning-Kruger effect, and researchers do speculate about whether self-esteem culture is implicated.

http://www.apa.org/monitor/feb03/overestimate.aspx
teacon7 (306 D)
29 Apr 16 UTC
^ interesting. Depending on where in East Asia we're talking about, we might run into a moral climate with strong emphasis on honor and shame... which could function similarly to the notion of humility. I don't know much about it though, so I look forward to doing some reading. Thank you!


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Hannibal76 (100 D(B))
27 Apr 16 UTC
GoT Variant?
I recently started watching Game of Thrones, and as you can imagine it reminded me of this wretched game quite a bit. Has anyone thought of making a variant based on Westeros? Does one already exist?
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Jamiet99uk (898 D)
29 Apr 16 UTC
How about that Conservative Party?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3564798/Charges-loom-election-probe-Police-told-election-watchdog-prepared-prosecute-dozens-Tory-candidates-officials-spending-limit-breaches.html
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
27 Apr 16 UTC
The King is Dead! in Modern Europe!
We recently finished gameID=175496. After some talk I want to do another game but with slightly updated rules and a different map.
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Tolstoy (1962 D)
24 Apr 16 UTC
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Bernie Sanders kicked out of hippie commune for laziness
http://freebeacon.com/politics/bernie-sanders-asked-leave-hippie-commune/

Raises the question in my mind of what will be done (if anything) with people who refuse to work in the socialist society Bernie and his supporters wish to impose. Forced labor camps? Expulsion from the country? Revocation of their EBT card and Section 8 subsidies? Or nothing?
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brainbomb (290 D)
28 Apr 16 UTC
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Locking transcontinental railroad forum?
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
22 Apr 16 UTC
Balls
what is the ballsiest thing youve said to a player in game to try to get your way. Threats, blunt acknowledgements, or demands....
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ckroberts (3548 D)
24 Apr 16 UTC
Participants wanted for slightly longer game
I won't have time to play shorter games for several weeks, but I want to go ahead and get a slightly longer game started with some reliable folks who don't mind 3 day phases.
32 replies
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A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
27 Apr 16 UTC
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HTML help wanted for SoW
See inside
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Octavious (2802 D)
27 Apr 16 UTC
The Trump Effect
Recently I've been hearing several left leaning souls start talking about the likelihood of them voting Trump now that the Bern has been all but extinguished. What I am curious about is why. What is it about Trump that makes him the lesser of two evils?
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
28 Apr 16 UTC
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userID=74652
"Boo, hoo! If I can't have my way, I'm going to leave and take my basketball with me!"
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
23 Apr 16 UTC
In Honor of Czech
Important News Below!
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leon1122 (190 D)
27 Apr 16 UTC
Transgender
See below
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shield (3929 D)
27 Apr 16 UTC
FtF in Connecticut
Connecticut Diplomacy got off to a great start last month with almost two full boards! We have another full board for this weekend and I'm pushing to get a second.
2 replies
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RainbowCupcake (0 DX)
27 Apr 16 UTC
Just a basic question!
What does voting to 'Cancel' mean? what do you cancel when you vote for it?
And, how does Pause work? when you pause, how do you resume the game? is it paused for a specific amount of time or do you vote to un-pause later?
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brainbomb (290 D)
21 Apr 16 UTC
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Poetry Thread
Post your favorite poetic verse here. -OR- Share your own.
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Hannibal76 (100 D(B))
26 Apr 16 UTC
Two More Required
If you'd like to join let me know and I'll send the password
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
19 Apr 16 UTC
Webdip simulation advert
Hey Webdip, for the past 2 weeks a dozen of your fellow diplomats have been hard at work keeping a mock colony alive, I invite anyone who wishes to join to PM me and you will be added on 4/25 at midnight UTC -5. If you are playing please comment with how you are liking the game.
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BlackJackP74 (263 D)
16 Apr 16 UTC
First Time Prom.
Help me WebDip, you're my only hope.

Seriously, though, I am a male junior, and found out today that the person on my mind has me on hers. Prom is in 2 weeks. I have not asked her, and fear that the window has shut on this opportunity. Even if I did go (all my buddies want me to go) I would have no idea what to do, what to say, or where to go.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
12 Apr 16 UTC
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School of War - Sign Up Spring 2016
This thread is intended to gauge interest for a SoW game in the coming weeks.
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Deinodon (379 D(B))
21 Apr 16 UTC
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Austria Hungary
Has anyone ever commented on the apparent loss of the word "Hungary" from AH's appellation? I hear it in face to face play, but around here, the red pieces are only ever Austria.
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
26 Apr 16 UTC
Masculinity
I think this article raises interesting questions about tue performance of masculinity: survival skills, reverence for 'back to nature' thinking, inner city violence... Never mind sexuality.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/apr/26/grayson-perry-bear-grylls-masculinity
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GRs
Any word on the March Ghost Ratings? I know they take work, I'm just wondering when we can expect to see them.
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masopias (100 D)
25 Feb 16 UTC
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Modern Diplomacy Game with 5 teams
Hello guys, I´m intending to do a Modern Diplomacy Game with 5 teams. 10 players, but without any communications inside de game. The only way to communication is talking to this real person by email, whatsapp, etc.
But to have equation, balance, one should have just another guy in his team. Not a 3 person team. This will work? ANyone want to participate?
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brainbomb (290 D)
24 Apr 16 UTC
Happy Birthday to webdips very own
ghug!
I think we need to roast the living hell out of this one. You damn Taurus' are all alike. Or is late April a Gemini..who even knows. Commence paddling him silly.
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Tamed_Horn (129 D)
16 Apr 16 UTC
10 Minute live World Game
Hey, exams are just about to finish, good time for a live world game me thinks. Trying to drum up some more people to join - http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=177657

Probably going to be drawn into an hour per turn, but hey, should be fun and it starts in the morning.
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tvrocks (388 D)
25 Apr 16 UTC
Ap chemistry review
Hi, i'm going to take a lot of ap tests this year (6), and i'm very confident on the majority, however, i think i may have some trouble with the ap chemistry test. Do any of you know of a good review/ reference site for ap chemistry? Thank you.
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Hannibal76 (100 D(B))
24 Apr 16 UTC
Question time
Can a fleet in the Norwegian Sea convoy an army in Yorkshire to Norway?
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brainbomb (290 D)
23 Apr 16 UTC
SPRING WEBDIP FREE POINTS GIVEAWAY
Our favorite mod is giving out Counterfeit free Diplomacy points!
All you have to do is PM to cash in on this limited time offer. userID=63487
First 3 people to PM get a special surprise.
4 replies
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c0dyz (100 D)
15 Apr 16 UTC
yes?
Or no?
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