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JamesYanik (548 D)
20 Dec 14 UTC
IT BEGINS!!! Cat Games are here
1 day phases, (5 D) bet, PPSC, Full Press and Loads of fun. All 5 variants, | Classic gameID=152345 | World gameID=152346 | Anc Med gameID=152347 | Modern gameID=152348 | Empire gameID=152349 |
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fuzzyhartle1 (100 D)
23 Dec 14 UTC
other website
what is the website for the other maps linked to this site (beta games). i lost the link
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Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
23 Dec 14 UTC
New Ultra Slow (10-day) Full Press Classic Game
Going to start an ultra-slow game. Classic, anon, full press, WTA.
Cost: 101 D, and player must have 500+ total points.
I'll set it up with password when I have 7 players.
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Sevyas (973 D)
10 Dec 14 UTC
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4 in a ...
Anyone up for a game? If so, post here an here only ;-)
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Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
23 Dec 14 UTC
Mutual Antagonism for Solo Victories
I think there need to be more solo victories. It's worth researching who your best statistical allies are beforehand.

http://www.diplom.org/Zine/F2007R/Burton/statistician3.htm
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
23 Dec 14 UTC
My favorite bit of info here is the last Table 4: Mutual Antagonism for Solo Victories.

Some points worth noting:

Austria and Italy are not mortal enemies.
Russia and Turkey are not mortal enemies.
Italy and France each have 4 "friends."
Russia has only one true enemy: Austria.
The western triad members England/France/Germany despise each other.

Each game is different, but most games trend toward these statistical averages. Don't force the issue, but be aware that there is wisdom here.
Octavious (2802 D)
23 Dec 14 UTC
Each nation has 6 mortal enemies. The only difference between them is one of timing.
phil_a_s (0 DX)
23 Dec 14 UTC
Pretty much what Octavious said.
Austria and Italy are mortal enemies. They can't win without killing each other.
Russia and Turkey will have trouble winning without killing each other.
Russia doesn't have Austria as an enemy, he has everyone as an enemy, though it takes a while for that to apply to France.
E/F/G do indeed despise each other.
France has two friends, R and T, and that only lasts until mid-game.
Italy hates everyone, everyone has better things to worry about than Italy.
I'm not so sure about that phil

THe Lepanto and Juggernaut alliances are very strong. TO solo with one does require a stab at some point, but not necessarily killing off your ally depending on how late in the game the stab comes.

@ Jeff
I'm not sure about Russian/Austrian enmity either. A peppermint can be a solid alliance.

That being said I agree in principle with everything said so long as we are looking at probablilities. For instance an Austro-Turkish alliance can do quite well with the right players and is generally doomed with anyone else.

Diplomacy has a lot in common with poker in that you don't play the hand so much as the other players.
Octavious (2802 D)
23 Dec 14 UTC
Good hands are damned useful though. It is damned tricky to lure someone between the mighty iron jaws of your trap if you don't happen to have a set of mighty iron jaws.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
23 Dec 14 UTC
Part of my intent by posting this article is hoping that new players will read it and see there are other possibilities. It's pithy to say each nation has six mortal enemies, but in practice, many alliances are better than others.

And by "mortal enemies" I mean that those nations don't necessarily want to eliminate each other immediately when the game starts. There are many nuances to the game, especially in gunboat.

I've been in too many games where Russia immediately allies with Austria against Turkey and gets destroyed after the Sultan is gone. Or games where England gets suicidal against Russia and France cleans up. If you have a "mortal enemy" you probably need to make that nation a priority in your strategy. I've heard a lot of conventional wisdom that is contradicted by the statistics. I hope that players can separate that "wisdom" (some of which is outright lying in game) from actual trends.
Yoyoyozo (95 D)
23 Dec 14 UTC
Lol is this why you wanted me dead in that live game jeff. I was going to stab italy at some point as he began to draw his troop out but the rest of the powera were so hung up trying to draw that I couldn't break through MSL.

I made 2 mistakes. One was not taking out turkey sooner and the second was raising suspicion for a solo from the other powers too soon.

Anyways, it was an interesting read. Ive learned to play diplomacy by myself without reading on it and its interesting to see the correlation between my success and my allies and how it compares to the charts.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
23 Dec 14 UTC
@yoyo: Well, going by the article, Turkey and Austria are the two nations with the highest mutual antagonism, so heck yeah I wanted you eliminated. ;)
Octavious (2802 D)
23 Dec 14 UTC
There are no ideal allies and no certain enemies. Trends emerge from time to time, but all trends are lies to catch out the unwary. The only thing the various collections of stats ever seem to agee on is that the strategy you have chosen to try and solo with almost certainly won't work. Tell the stats to sod off, find out which players you could enjoy working with and which you could enjoy giving a kicking, and go forth and kick.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
23 Dec 14 UTC
The trends are most definitely not lies. The unwary will be caught one way or another irrespective of trends.

The topography of Diplomacy board inherently forces some nations into contact with each other by proximity and makes some strategies stronger than others in particular with long term effects of building fleets or armies. Stalemate lines do exist and have a major effect on the end game.

"Plans are worthless, but planning is everything."
- Dwight David Eisenhower
phil_a_s (0 DX)
23 Dec 14 UTC
I have noticed recently that a lot of people make a run for a stalemate line and then defend it, as opposed to making a run for the opposite side of a stalemate line, and then worrying about their side of it. That leads to Draws a lot. I think play should be a lot more aggressive, with a real idea of "everyone is my enemy, eventually" being present. It'll make everyone better at spotting incoming stabs, and at stabbing. It'll also prevent stuff like 3 vs. 2 Draws and 2 vs. 2 Draws, both of which are situations that can almost certainly be reduced, perhaps even thrown into a Solo.

Let me repeat: The Player must want to win, otherwise there's no point in playing. No other player wants you to win, because that means they can't win themselves. Therefore, each player on the board is your enemy. There is no "friends", and alliances should be temporary by definition. Only if it is proven that there is no way a win can happen, should talk of a Draw be initiated.


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VashtaNeurotic (2394 D)
22 Dec 14 UTC
Nanar
For those of you unfamiliar with the term, Nanar basically means that something is so bad it's good. The purpose of this thread is to share works (movies, tv series, etc...) that are so bad they are good so we can all enjoy a hearty laugh. I will start by suggesting INFERNO COP! a roughly 40 minute long web series which fits this idea so well. From the Beginning: http://tinyurl.com/qfgz62j
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Tolstoy (1962 D)
14 Dec 14 UTC
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Greatest People in History Tournament - now with Instant Runoff Voting!
In an effort to determine the forum's ultimate winners for this contest in a reasonable amount of time, this thread will utilize IRV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting) to determine the champions in each category.
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
21 Dec 14 UTC
SOW Study Group Replacement Needed
I'm looking for a replacement for Germany for the SOW Study Group. This is a game for people to learn how to play the game and prepare for a full SOW game. For more info, please see: viewthread=1193195. If you're interested, please PM me. gameID=149304
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VashtaNeurotic (2394 D)
22 Dec 14 UTC
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Hail to the King(s)
Let it be know that on this night, the 21st of December, the members bo_sox48 and VashtaNeurotic conducted a heist of upwards of 40 +1s, truly a feat of zultar (praise be unto his name) esche proportions. And now I would like to wish bo a solemn goodbye and good luck on his 10 day excursion to Japan.
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The Hanged Man (4160 D(G))
22 Dec 14 UTC
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The Prestige
Does it matter where you go to college?
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Yoyoyozo (95 D)
22 Dec 14 UTC
Fatal error?
Is anyone else getting this error?
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Yoyoyozo (95 D)
21 Dec 14 UTC
"Applying to Collge" stress
How did you guys deal with it? Any Advise? I'm pretty much freaking out right now.
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tvrocks (388 D)
21 Dec 14 UTC
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discuss
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Strauss (758 D)
22 Dec 14 UTC
Evolutionary Deadlock
"Civilization exists by geological consent, subject to change without
notice." (William James Durant, American Historian and Philosopher)
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
22 Dec 14 UTC
Congrats to the Winner of the Diplo-Ball League
Jim's Fantastic Team - easily the most all-around team in the league this year. It was a good, highly frustrating season haha
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Zappa (100 D)
20 Dec 14 UTC
Comparing Online Diplomacy Sites
I've just joined this site, but have played online Diplomacy before at another site. I wonder why people choose the site(s) they do. For example BOUNCED has an unbeatable interface, but far fewer members than this one. Why is that?
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
22 Dec 14 UTC
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Don't +1 Vashta
Don't +1 Vashta. He's not a +1 whore but he's getting addicted. We need to starve him so that he stops.
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TrPrado (461 D)
20 Dec 14 UTC
Search an Destroy
Any interest in a special sort of game of Diplomacy?
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VashtaNeurotic (2394 D)
20 Dec 14 UTC
Is America truly exceptional?
So in my late night perusing of youtube I managed to find these two videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPHSXUS0_1c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8UqdPKbpWM and it got me thinking. Is America truly exceptional right now? (My inclination is no) and if not, what can we do to be such? Please discuss (with politness and civility).
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KingCyrus (511 D)
21 Dec 14 UTC
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Today is my Birthday
Yes, it is.
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tyler688 (100 D)
21 Dec 14 UTC
some ideas
devs, please add at least a 2-3 player mode, and maybe a AI mode where you play with the computer. Please respond with your thoughts.
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Marz (515 D)
21 Dec 14 UTC
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Rewind a Game
If all players agree, are mods able to rewind games?
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Ogion (3882 D)
23 Oct 14 UTC
2014 Gunboat Tournament Final II
Seems the original has been locked. Anyway, for those keeping score, I'd say Maettu is looking good for the win. One game down, six to go.

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MarquisMark (326 D(G))
21 Dec 14 UTC
Replacement France Needed
Replacement player needed for France. In good shape, no home centers lost.

gameID=151870
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VashtaNeurotic (2394 D)
19 Dec 14 UTC
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I Wanna Be a Mod
The following message is one of Vash's (possibly numerous) late night ideas. As such I am not sure how smart it is, but the last one worked out well.
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2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
19 Dec 14 UTC
Greatest Mod Tournament
In the same vein as the "Greatest Author" and "Greatest Musician" tournaments, we should also do the Greatest Mod to rank the great and not-so-great leadership that this site has seen. Nominees are listed below.
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
21 Dec 14 UTC
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Updated changes and where to find them
This is where we will post changes that we have recently made to the site and when we did it. This is to help members keep track of updates.
Much thanks for A_Tin_Can, jmo and the mods.
http://webdiplomacy.net/recentchanges.php
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Tru Ninja (1016 D(S))
19 Dec 14 UTC
Finals Time
What's the best or worst thing you've seen on a final exam?
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
17 Dec 14 UTC
Civ 5 thread
Old one got locked or I can't find it.

Talked to mendax and I think we should try to get a Civ game going soon. Post here if interested and we'll work out a time and such.
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Jamiet99uk (898 D)
20 Dec 14 UTC
Needed! Replacement England in good postion.
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