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ghug (5068 D(B))
26 Aug 13 UTC
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4000 Hits
I know it's a few days late, but I thought it'd be nice to have a thread to appreciate a great baseball player's remarkable achievement, even if he is a Yankee now. Ichiro is awesome.
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thehamster (3263 D)
26 Aug 13 UTC
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Hamster Hiatus
Hi
I've had a ton of fun re-joining the webdiplomacy world the last couple months, so thanks!
4 replies
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
26 Aug 13 UTC
The Astros Are the Best Team in Baseball
Let's take a look at the numbers, shall we sabermetricians?

http://nesn.com/2013/08/2013-houston-astros-are-worst-team-in-baseball-most-profitable-team-in-mlb-history/
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ckroberts (3548 D)
21 Aug 13 UTC
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35 Years for Manning
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/judge-to-sentence-bradley-manning-today/2013/08/20/85bee184-09 D0-11e3-b87c-476db8ac34cd_story.html?hpid=z1

What a travesty.
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
17 Aug 13 UTC
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quick fix
Change the help "button" to read RULES instead.
33 replies
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
27 Aug 13 UTC
smoking for the economy?
dengulenegl.dk/English/Nicotine.html

Is smoking one of the best things an employee can do while working?
14 replies
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krellin (80 DX)
26 Aug 13 UTC
Delete the Fed
http://reason.com/archives/2013/08/25/delete-the-fed

Delete the Fed...enough said. Well...no, there's the article that makes the case...but then...enough said. BAM!
26 replies
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
26 Aug 13 UTC
Local minimum wage
How local should minimum wage be? I just read something about minimum wage in Holland, but the costs of living in Amsterdam are certainly higher than on the countryside no?
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Zachattack413 (1231 D)
27 Aug 13 UTC
It's good to be back!
Hey everyone! Not sure if anyone remembers me, I wasn't an especially vocal member, but after an eight month sabbatical, I'm looking to get started back up in diplomacy. Would anyone be interested in a 2-day phase game, probably a 100 point buy-in? If so, post in this thread, and I'll send you a PM with a password on a first-come, first-served basis.
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Masked Marauders (110 D)
26 Aug 13 UTC
Paused Game
I'm in a game that appears to be stuck on pause. Any idea how to get it unstuck?
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Emac (0 DX)
24 Aug 13 UTC
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Draugnar the idiot thread
Here is a thread for Draugnar to rant at me like the idiot he is so other threads don't have to suffer.
106 replies
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Draugnar (0 DX)
26 Aug 13 UTC
Doesn't the world just look so pretty wearing the color of Turkey?
gameID=120767

Hey, MajorMitchell! What was that about my not being able to close the deal in this game? How's it feel to donate points to Draugnar? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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SYnapse (0 DX)
26 Aug 13 UTC
Napoleonic
Working on a napoleon variant - any suggestions?

http://i43.tinypic.com/25oyqvp.jpg
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
26 Aug 13 UTC
Most of the weapons used in mass shootings in the U.S. are obtained LEGALLY.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map
17 replies
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2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
26 Aug 13 UTC
Interview dilemma
See inside.
18 replies
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2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
24 Aug 13 UTC
Lets make it here
Make a list of raw materials that the United States can start making here once sbyvlnomics comes into effect. I'll start.

1. Diamonds
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
26 Aug 13 UTC
Rocket Baloon?
http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?threadID=1033993any update on this?
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jgurstein (0 DX)
25 Aug 13 UTC
webDiplomacy leagues
See below
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SYnapse (0 DX)
25 Aug 13 UTC
Game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=123696

I am Britain. Apparently you can't hold an army that doesn't move but intends to move.
I don't care if I get banned for discussing an ongoing gunboat as the outcome has already been determined.
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Sbyvl36 (439 D)
24 Aug 13 UTC
Why do Socialists always resort to ad hominem?
Explain yourselves.
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
25 Aug 13 UTC
Goodnight all
I leave you with this little German goodnight song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz4Fq9NXtzw
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Celticfox (100 D(B))
25 Aug 13 UTC
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Ben Affleck as Batman
It just breaks my Comicbook loving heart. I just can't see Affleck being a good Batman. Oh and the kicker is he's going to help write the movie (the Superman/Batman one) and is signed for multiple movies.
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
25 Aug 13 UTC
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Steephonomics
How I would save the US if I would rule the country.
1. kill Sbyvl.
2. kill Emac.
3. disband the forces sent to places no one wants them. That'd be pretty much anywhere except maybe South Korea and in America and surrounding seas of course.
16 replies
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MajorMitchell (1874 D)
10 Jul 13 UTC
Ashes Test Cricket
which players will achieve glory ? which commentators will amuse us ?
180 replies
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smoky (771 D)
25 Aug 13 UTC
We need Russia
gameID=124870 join and cover the russian player pls.
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taos (281 D)
23 Aug 13 UTC
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yesterday Israel was attacked again from Lebanon
One of the rockets felt near to a place where Holocaust survivors live, they are old and scared.
Didn't they suffered enough?
let them live their last days in peace.
There was no reason at all for that attack.
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kramerkov18 (1570 D)
10 Aug 13 UTC
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Daily Quote (Does Anyone like this Idea?)
So I am kind of new to the forums in that I have never posted anything and mostly just read what everyone is saying when it interests me. Since I saw there was a daily bible reading I figured I could start up a daily quote.

If someone is already doing this let me know as I don't want to steal their idea.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
24 Aug 13 UTC
"Unisex" Clothing
I wonder who will attack me for this first - Draug, Krellin, or Sbyvl?

http://www.businessinsider.com/american-apparels-unisex-ads-2013-5#heres-how-american-apparel-sells-a-unisex-flannel-shirt-to-a-man-1
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EOG: Masters Round 4 Game 6
Master’s Round 4 Game 6: Draw, England (10) - France (1) - Germany (7) - Austria (16)

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=118383
This was, for me, a very fun game, probably the most fun I’ve had in the Master’s so far, but definitely a game where I felt like I was always a turn or two (or more) behind where I needed to be to have a shot at winning.

The players that survived to the draw with me, France (THM), Germany (ckroberts), and Austria (gantz) were all a pleasure to play with and against, as was the eliminated player that I had the most contact with, Russia (bo_sox48, although he may have a different view!). I definitely hope to play all of them again.

**1901: I draw England, which is exciting for me, as far as I can recall, I have not played England in a regular phase full press game excluding one or two of my very first games on this site about a year ago. I’ve drawn Russia, France, and Italy a disproportionate number of times in FP games so I’m a little excited to be doing something new.

France, Germany, and Russia are all pretty friendly in pre-game chat. I get the sense right away that France is probably a top-notch player. Don’t really know what exactly it is about these early messages that gives me that impression about France, but given that it turned out to be The Hanged Man, who is currently winning this tournament (IIRC), I’m going to say that I’m pretty happy about my instincts here. I get the sense that Russia and Germany are also no slouches. I have very brief exchanges with Italy and Turkey that don’t amount to much. Italy strikes me as sort of silly but I figure he’s just playing his cards close to his vest.

As far as alliances, Germany proposes a WT, but France isn’t interested. The strangest thing about this year, from my perspective, is that after talking about Belgium with both Germany and France, it becomes pretty clear that I’m probably going to get it without working too hard. I don’t fully understand why this is before the spring moves, but neither seems to want it very much.

Then the spring moves happen. They are basically all uninteresting, except that Italy opens to against France, moving to Piedmont and Venice. I don’t want to exaggerate how big of an impact this ends up having on the game, and I’m sure Germany, France and Austria have their own views, but IMO, Italy’s early assault on France had a huge impact on the game.

1902: Russia builds F StP (nc) in response to my convoy to Norway, while I get a fleet in Bel. Russia had wanted the opposite arrangement, and his reaction was probably fair.

But that basically seals the dynamic for the next two years...its EG vs R, AR vs T (sort of),and I vs F for the next little while.This whole time I’m talking to France and Germany a fair bit, Russia as well. France is confident that Italy will go nowhere and hopeful that I’ll help him against Germany after Russia is toast. I don’t know, but I wonder, if Germany and France are having the same conversations.

1903: So after every turn at this point, I’m watching Italy try to get a leg up on France, and seeing how France responds. I send France my thoughts on the outlook for his fight, since I’d already decided France had to be someone who knew what was up and wanted to hear more about how he was thinking. Surely, he’d always respond to my thoughts with something more tactically sound and generally just more accurate. Admittedly, I was sending him my first impression, and he probably had more incentive to think things through, but I was usually impressed by what I heard.

I was less impressed by my own moves. Germany and I are definitely going to get through Russia relatively easily, but basically, I lose every 50-50 guessing game, I’m more cautious when being aggressive would have been better, and I’m less aggressive when caution would have been better. It’s not a disaster, but it’s not exactly like slicing through butter with a hot knife either. And I end up in StP **with an army** by the fall anyway, so it’s looking good.

1904: This year is almost the same as 1903. Germany and I are maneurving to get me into Moscow, and in the fall Russia sends me a message saying, “Moscow is yours, heading out”. I decide he’s lying and move to Livonia instead. Mistake, since Moscow was free for the taking.

The bigger story this year is that I decide it’s time to attack France. Germany, of course, has been saying all along that we have to attack France but will wait and followmylead, and is, by my reckoning, being very patient. But with Mos and StP basically in my pocket, I’m worried that hesitating to commit will make Germany nervous. So I guess moving on France now is basically my idea, but it’s, in my mind, more of a precautionary move than anything else.

After putting the moves in in the spring, which ensure that I’ll get a fleet in Brest by the fall, I message France saying, “Sorry, but if I’ve screwed up here, I’m sure you’ll tell me how.” To my surprise, France’s (honest, as far as I can tell) reply is, “Nope, been living on your whims already so far. When I have an offer to make, I will. For now, you’ve got Brest and that’s how it is.” Or something like that.

It’s pretty cordial and I’m glad, because at this point, I very much want to preserve the option of working with France later.

So I get a build from Brest, and miss an opportunity in Moscow. Meanwhile, Austria has loaned Italy Trieste, and has more or less taken out Turkey. Germany starts saying we’re going to have an obvious EGA draw, and it’s hard to argue with that.

1905: I take Moscow and the new dynamic continues. Germany, oddly, proposes StP-Mos, which I find surprising since I imagine he would want my army out of Liv ASAP. Perhaps too generously, I suggest Liv-Mos instead.

In the west, I get into MAO. I tell France I want Tunis and will let him hang on to Por and Spa for as long as it takes, thinking to myself, well, with Mos and Tun as England, there’s got to be somewhere good I can go.

1906: And then I get duped by Russia. Russia tells me he wants to screw Austria, he’ll support me to Sev, damn that Austria. I totally fall for it and Russia supports Austria to Sev. Meanwhile, Austria gets me to agree not to move to Ukraine, which I totally would have done if Russia hadn’t offered support to Sev. Russia, admirably, was trying to keep anyone from getting in solo position, despite his certain death. After this happens, Germany and Austria are both pretty insistent that Ukraine remain empty. Drat.

Meanwhile, Italy bounces me in North Africa. Drat again. Two moves that could have put me in an awesome position, both thwarted on the same turn. But France supports me into West Med in the fall, so I’m getting somewhere. Austria starts attacking Italy, which I had said I wanted, but in retrospect probably ended up hurting me. Meanwhile, France has an army in Italy that’s doing a lot of damage and probably causing a lot of confusion.

At the end of this year, Austria breaks both DMZs on Germany in Ukr and Boh, but quickly backs down. Not totally sure what happened here. Unfortunately, I never really get a good dialogue going with Austria.

1907: I get in position to take Tun, and help push France’s fleets forward. France is egging me on to go for the solo, has been the whole. I think it’s pretty tenuous, but, hey, stranger things have happened and it is the Master’s. So we begin batting around ideas.

At the same time, I make a mistake that ends up benefitting me. I misread a message from Germany, thinking we are agreeing to bounce in the North Sea. However, we are actually agreeing to bounce in Norway (which is mine). So I end up in NTH, bewildered that Germany moved to Norway. The confusion is quickly resolved: Germany agrees to move out, but suggests bouncing in Bel (also still mine) so he doesn’t have to worry about Holland. I’m thinking, sweet, I just lucked into NTH putting me in prime position to move on Germany and I had absolutely nothing to do with it.

At the same time, I take Tunis, and France and I go through about three different ways of stabbing Germany and pushing into ION. It’s tough, because, well, I know austria’s position is closer to 18 than mine, but he is more easily stalemated, I think. We agree on a plan which, critically, involves convoying a French army from Rome to Marseilles (German now), and the next turn supporting a French fleet into ION (guaranteed to work).

France also comes up with some advantageous ideas for how Germany and I can “stabilize” our border so that the move sequence is easily exploited by me. Unfortunately, Germany is smart and suggests a modification which makes his life a lot easier. The original idea is swapping Sweden and Belgium, parking his fleets in Den and Baltic, which conveneniently leaves Holland wide open. Germany decides they should park in Den and Hol instead. I don’t think to say,”Well, maybe we should worry more about Austria,” but I probably should have. I could have gotten Holland for free.

1908: The swap goes as discussed, and the fall turn is stab time. Everything goes according to plan. France and I talk tactics a lot, and I decide I have to convince Germany to play for a 2WD to maximize my chances. Maybe I should have done this before stabbing, but I honestly don’t think he would have gone for it, and solo greed can be a powerful motive when you’re worried about your position.

He doesn’t seem like he’s biting. France, perceptive as always, tells me Germany is unlikely to lie to me, while Austria is more likely to agree to a 2WD but screw me as soon as he can. I basically agree with his assessment, and am too worried about Austria’s prospects to offer him a path across the stalemate line.

1909: Basically, everything falls to shit for me.

First, I fucking misorder. I almost want to laugh. Misordering this turn saddles me with a disband for sure, although maybe not a consequential one. Germany moves Brest and it’s his, because I move my new fleet in Lon to NTH instead of the channel, and my fleet in north is convoying an army to Denmark, so that really sucks.

Second, wow, Germany gives everything to Austria. None of his centers,mind you, but I knew Moscow and Naples were toast, I just figured Germany would obviously insist on them for himself, or at least Moscow. But nope, both to Austria.

So I tell austria I’ll draw if he supports me to Marseilles, and Germany the same. I move to Portugal, but I’m really not expecting Austria to follow.

And so, third, in the fall, Austria pulls the trigger and takes Warsaw from Germany, as you do when you have Moscow, Ukraine, and Galicia. My moves don’t really matter this turn because Austria is on 16 and I’m thinking, well, I gave it my best shot,and I didn’t have good odds to begin with, so it’s draw time. I communicate as much to France who, from Marseilles, can make it at least a little difficult to hold the line, and Germany, who agrees that we may as well keep France around.

I did figure that Austria would probably eventually get up around 15-16 centers if I went this way, but I figured he would wait until I did and the stalemate lines had been degraded a bit. He didn’t wait, basically ensuring that neither of us has a shot. But I never tried making a deal with him, so I can’t complain. I’m also not sure how much France and Austria have been talking at this point, but I figure they must have been having some conversations. Even if not, France's play with me was (more likely than not) going to end with him surviving to the draw to stop *someone* from taking the solo, so kudos to France for that.

Ironically, I take ION in the fall this year (from France), and after retreats, Germany notices that France’s retreating fleet really could cause Austria some headaches. Which, of course, totally was the plan. But France disbands it and we decide to just make the very easy stalemate line.

1910-1911: Germany, France, and I talk and figure out where we need to be for the line. It is a very easy task. Germany and I initially do not realize that we don’t need either Pru or Liv for the line, but France does, of course (at this point, I have realized that France does not get tactics wrong often, if ever). Germany and I both notice that there are three or four multiple tenable stalemate positions in the med, and Germany himself has his line after one turn.

Austria leaves France’s fate up to me, and at this point, I figure, well, he could have made things harder and he didn’t, so it’d be kind of a dick move to cut him. Plus, I don’t really care about cutting the draw when there is a power on 16 centers. So France lives.

As I said, this was a really fun game for me and I would gladly play again with anyone in it. It was also pretty fun to play England for the first time in a quality FP game. I’d love to read what the other players in this game thought.
ckroberts (3548 D)
23 Aug 13 UTC
I was Germany, and this was indeed a very fun game.

At the beginning I had good communication with Austria and especially England. I ended up being anti-Russian almost exclusively because I had already made friends with other neighbors before we spoke. I was hoping to get a Western Triple going and ideally to use that as a spring to getting Belgium, but, it wasn't meant to be; France wanted to bounce Bur, and that meant I wouldn't get Belgium, so I'd rather see England there. Plus, France seemed, not hostile, but wary. I was also delighted to see an aggressive Austrian open, given that it's usually the only ally Germany can count on. My favorite part of 1901 was pretending that I wasn't planning on bouncing Russia in Sweden but English threats forced me to consider otherwise.

1902: A little surprised that Russia built a northern fleet; I congratulate myself that I have convinced him I am not happy with how things are going with England, as it is less for me to worry about and likely eliminates a realistic E/R. I haven't talked much with France and am becoming afraid that E/F are doing a good cop/bad cop thing, and as soon as Russia and Italy are inevitably neutered I will be in trouble.

Also, there is a lengthy discussion with Russia about the potential of England stabbing me and me helping Russia against him. I do not believe Russia; he is doing what I would do in that situation, but I play it out as much as I can in case England and France do attack. England and I have extremely detailed discussions about the fastest and best way to finish off Russia, which we end up not being very good at. I also am pressing England to break with France. It's never entirely clear to me what Italy is doing.

1903: What is going on in the east??? Turkey seemed pretty competent to me, but it looks like it wasn't meant to be. I never quite figured it out. My feeling the rest of this game is that Russia and Turkey play good games, but out-numbered, on the defensive, and with limited hopes for success.

1904: I try to play the stab off with France as me going along with England before I turn it on him. I don't think anyone would believe it, although I was actually considering it. It would have been two builds and a strong position. But it also would have meant giving England, Austria, and France a reason to all work together and surround me. If I was going to have a solo chance, I decide it will have to come later.

1905: The main concern this year becomes, What is Austria thinking? I had been feeling really good about my relationship with Austria thus far; we hadn't worked together a ton, but we'd also kept each other mostly in the loop, and when we didn't work together (for example on getting into Warsaw) we both had good reasons. But then all of a sudden Austria gets big and is apparently working with Russia and Italy? England began talking about working with Italy against Austria. I haven't spoken hardly at all with Italy, but in retrospect it might have been wiser; I was just afraid that doing so would subject my backside to English attacks.

1906: I had kind of considered stabbing England and trying for the solo here, trying for Belgium and Norway in the spring and then getting into the North Sea or bouncing in the fall. But, I was afraid that France was friendlier with England than with me and, more importantly, that Austria was doing some voodoo to prepare for his own solo shot. This turns out to be wise as Austria apparently tries for ... something. But I am ready and it doesn't go anywhere. Kind of weird.

1907: besides the aforementioned miscommunication with England, nothing happens except in my mind. I want everyone to eliminate the little powers quick and end it, because I am super-paranoid at this point. On the one hand, neither Austria nor England are well positioned for solos without it helping the other; there have been a high-profile solo and shoulda-been in previous games, so both know that attacking me means risking throwing it to the other guy. But Austria is clearly feeling me out for something, and two very sharp players are down to a few SCs and thus playing the role of assistant general for some larger power. I try to get everyone to agree that we're just winding down to a three-way draw, but it doesn't seem like it worked; maybe it was counter-productive in that people assumed I wasn't paying attention; as we will see, that may have been correct.

1908: I should have seen England's stab coming, since he lied about moves in the spring, but I was too focused on Austria and the explanations seemed genuine. France sends me a single message that sounds like a request for mercy/switching it up, but I should have seen it for it was, too!

1909 and after: I was actually pretty pleased with my handling of this series of stabs inflicted upon the innocent German people. England sent me a detailed series of messages that simply didn't jibe with the board as I saw it -- I didn't believe your ideas about a two-way draw etc, and you talked with a certainty about my inability to give certain centers to Austria or your ability to take certain centers as desired that I simply knew to be untrue. Hoping it will get back to England, I directly tell France and indirectly Austria that I will let Austria win before I will risk letting England win. I prove it with my moves, being moderately confident that I can force England to recognize that Austria will win the game if he continues to attack me.

I am still not sure if I was being honest about it, though. I gave up exactly short of a solo to Austria, or at least I let him get to a point where I was about 85% sure the rest of the board could stop him if we had to and we got our acts together. If England had grabbed Brest in 1910, say, I just don't know how I would have responded. But it worked! I knew we had a stalemate line, although I was very careful about talking to England about it -- I didn't want to risk our makeup. England seemed much more concerned about losing St P or Munich, which I didn't think we really needed to be. Had Austria moved Piedmont to Tyrolia instead of Venice when he stabbed me, it would have been a little tighter, but still safe (I think).

Overall, very fun game, would gladly play again.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
23 Aug 13 UTC
I was Russia, and because of that, I hated this game no matter who was in it or what happened.

But yes, I did screw everyone out of a solo chance at some point, and for that you all should thank me :)
FRANCE EOG

Man, this game was a stresser. I have no idea what Italy was doing, and am very interested to see his EOG. From my perspective, he just went psycho on me from the get-go until his death. It killed any real chance I had at a solo, and I had to work my butt off to stay alive. I consider myself very fortunate to have made the draw.

I had some great press and an enjoyable alliance with E, even when I was his pawn. Thanks to EGA for sparing me.

SPRING 1901. Yay, France. I love playing F. Normal opening press from E and G, requesting DMZs in EC and Bur respectively. T is chatty, R less so, and Italy not at all.

I slightly favor E early on because he's interested in talking about an EF. He says R also is in favor of an EF (which makes sense, because what R wants an EG?). I agree to the DMZ/EC request immediately, but draw things out a little with G, exploring DMZ vs. bounce while I figure out what I'm doing. Ultimately, I agree to bounce because I want to slow G down to make it easier for EF to go after him. I tell E that Bel is his, which makes him happy.

G asks about the possibility of a WT. I tell him that in my experience, it usually ends with E stabbing G. That is true, but I also want to keep E and G adverse rather than working together.

The missing link in S01 is Italy. I try opening conversation again, and I receive a one-liner that he is off on holiday to Austria. That's fine with me. We don't have the usual DMZ agreements for Pie and waters south, but I'm not really worried because I have high confidence that EG are friendly, and Italy usually doesn't go after F unless it is a joint attack.

AUTUMN 1901

Except this Italy does. WTF? Things went fine with EG in S01, but now I have a unit in Pie to deal with. Again, Italy is low-communication. He suggests that it is a sneak attack on Tyr, which I guess is okay if he actually follows through. I'm suspicious though, so I forego my second build to protect Mar.

I continue to communicate with E and G, helping with ideas against R. If I can't curb Italy, I want them busy in the east.

I chat regularly with T. He also is frustrated with Italy because he needs help against A. Italy's not talking to anyone it seems (except maybe A?), and readies his orders.

1902

Turns out to be a good thing I protected Mar, because Italy lied to me for the second turn in a row.

The good news is that I still have good relations with E and G, although I know it's just a matter of time if I can't get Italy under control. His attack makes no sense. Italy does not suggest that he ever expected any help from E or G. He's just unilaterally attacking me even though I have numbers on him.

Fine, so be it. Italy won't get past Mar, and I will have 3 fleets to his 2. As long as EG don't attack me, I can beat Italy. I'm even still talking with E about EF vs. G, although I'm not in position to contribute much.

Predictably Italy makes no progress on me in S02. He sends his new fleet to Ion (to attack T?) which means he is even less of a threat. And then Italy has the audacity to ask me why *I* am attacking *him*?! I respond that he lied to me in S01, lied to me in A01, attacked me first in A01, and continued his attack in S02. Nevertheless, if he wants a ceasefire, I'm willing to talk. Italy proposes a DMZ of the entire Med and Pie (what, so I'm supposed to go attack E now?).

I tell him that I need to see good faith moves from him to show he's really interested. I propose that we bounce again in Wes, I have Mar hold, and he vacates Pie. Of course, Italy says nothing and attacks me in Pie again.
So it goes.

1903

I'm on the move against Italy. The problem is that EG are winding up their eastern campaign. I really need G to attack A, but it's not happening. So now it's going to be a question of whether E goes after me or G. I've been cultivating the EF relationship, but I get a bad feeling that I'm the more enticing target. In E's shoes, I'd probably go after F too.

1904

Down falls the hammer. EG both move on me. They are both apologetic in press and open to further negotiation. But I know I have nothing to offer right now, and any promises exchanged are just words. I don't fault either of them (fuck you Italy, this is your doing) and try to keep things amiable. After all, I'm not dead yet.

I tell everyone that all I care about is killing Italy before me. It's not really true, but pushing against Italy is my only viable strategic option. It's not like if I defended myself against EG (who outnumber me anyway), I could count on Italy to leave me alone. Italy began this death-dance for the both of us, so let's dance.

A tells me he's willing to help me against Italy (but not against G). Tri On the Autumn turn, Ven and Tri are both open. We both suggest that we're staying out of Tri, then both go for it. For my part, I figured Italy would cover Ven and I was trying to pick up Tri to save a unit. I don't know if A likewise was trying to be opportunistic, or if he moved to Tri to block me. The result is that Italy didn't cover either Ven or Tri and kept both, rather than A taking Tri and me taking Ven. It's a disaster for the French cause against Italy. Had Italy crumbled in 1904, maybe I could stay viable while A picked off the last green centers. Instead, Italy remains viable and I know I'm going to lose more ground to EG in 1905.

Italy decides it's time to start talking to me. He wants us to make peace so E doesn't run away with the game. I ask him -- if he's not going after me, where is he going? Italy can't give me an answer because...uhh, it's just a stupid ploy to get me to expose myself to him?

1905

I manage to lose only Par, and save Mar. I keep my eastern units because there is no point in trying to defend the western centers. I need to stay alive long enough for one of EGA to make a move, then hope I can stabilize.

1906

Every turn, A talks like he is trying to help me against Italy. Every turn, A's moves show that he's helping Italy and I'm just wasting my time listening to A. At the same time, I don't really have much else going for me, so to some extent hoping against hope that A will finally turn on Italy is all I have.

G stops at the Spanish border. Apparently, Iberia is supposed to be pink by agreement so G says he will not encroach any further. The good news is that I've still been talking to E, and I've been trying to pump up his solo aspirations. EF hatch a plan to get him as far into the Med as possible, which will require him to leave Por and Spa blue for a while.

Italy asks me again if we can work together. I point out that all game he has lied to me, attacked me, and failed to answer when I ask what he intends to do differently. He offers to let me suggest all his moves and he will execute them. I do, and -- shocker -- he actually obliges in S06. But I think that ship has sailed, and it's too late for FI collaboration. I have zero desire to have Italy as an ally.

1907

Lots of EF talk on how to maximize his solo chances. I've got nothing to lose, so I try to sincerely give him the best advice I can. The only chance I have here is if I can keep E thinking he might solo, such that he keeps me alive, and maybe even lets me grow!. We talk, for example, about me possibly building a second army in Mar at some point to help him against G. That's my best angle here -- E has no army on the continent, and I at least have one plus the potential to generate more.

In the autumn, I finally get my wish and A goes after Italy. Now I know that at least if I die, Italy's coming with me (and hopefully before me!).

The downside of the Austrian attack on Italy is that it might mess up the EF plans. Italy has been so unpredictable, we don't know if he will have his last unit go quietly into oblivion, lash out against A, or even help A in his dying throes.

EF originally planned for my fleet to go Tys-GoL, Tun-Tys, Wes-Spa to set up a convoy of Rom-Mar supported by Spa. Now we were worried that
Italy might block Tun-Tys, which would prevent the convoy.

1908

A offers to help me kill off Italy. I'm hearing from E that this is all pursuant to a plan to finish me off in 1908 with G taking Rom, A taking Nap, and E taking the Iberian centers. I play along with A, knowing that per the new EF plan I will be convoying my army back to Mar.

In A08, I send halfhearted token messages to G and A asking if there is any chance of a sea change. I want it to look like I am resigned to my fate, and just going through the motions. They both politely tell me that no, my fate is sealed. Or so they think! EF execute the move on Mar, and I'm still alive. And Italy's not, yay!

1909

EF plan a quasi-Blue Water Lepanto. E will support my fleet into Ion (it was never viable to expect to hold Nap long-term), which is a lock before the third A fleet can get into Adr. Then E will knock me out of Ion (or maybe A will) so that I can retreat to whatever space A did not cover (probably Eas).

The Med part goes without a hitch, but E misorders his Lon fleet. He also enters unsound moves in Russia. I'm just a pawn, so I didn't ask to review and check all of his moves (just the ones in the Med). Luckily, AG didn't move correctly (Sil-Pru) to take advantage of the situation, or E's northern situation would be compromised. I need to keep E's solo chances viable to preserve myself.

Not that I have any intention of letting E solo. Even apart from my general practice of fighting to prevent any solos (except my own!), in the Masters a solo by someone else against me has extra value on tiebreakers. I make sure to explain to both G and A that I am only working against them out of self-preservation necessity, and not because I am suicidal, or have anything against them or am fanatically devoted to E.

Now with E's goof in EC, whatever chance of a solo he had is rapidly dwindling. EF vs. AG never really had legs, but the misorder exposes how hobbled the pink solo effort really is. This may be the end of our intrepid Frenchman! So I take a last second shot and switch my order from Ion-Nap to Ion-Tys. I know that either will fail; it doesn't matter, because the point is just for Ion to move so it can't receive a support hold, which means E will dislodge me for the Blue Water.

But I figure, if it turns out that A makes a play on War and Rom this turn, I *want* it to succeed. That would get A to 16 centers and maybe I can convince EG to leave me alone in order to stop the solo. Things seem aligned right -- A asks me to order Ion-Tys, which makes no sense since nobody can support me against Tys, except that Ion-Tys means no Ion-Nap. And why does no Ion-Nap matter? Because A is going to support himself into Rom! He says if I order Ion-Nap, he will help me survive (whatever).

I tell A okay, I will order Ion-Tys. I also tell E that I am switching up my order to Ion-Tys. And I really do.

Sure enough, A makes a play on War and Rom, the latter succeeding because I did not cut support from Nap. E takes Por to reduce me to one unit. But now EG are worried about A.

1910-1911

I'm cranking out press to EG regularly now, strategizing with them on how to defend against an A solo and playing up as best I can my role in doing so. Additionally, I'm just generally trying to turn on the charm so they think I'm a decent guy, as opposed to someone they might ruthlessly cut out to reduce a 4wd to a 3wd. Lots of press, not even game-related. LIKEMEsparemeENJOYMEsavemeLAUGHWITHMEdon'tkillme.

I wouldn't fault them at all for cutting me out. It's business, not personal. I just have to hope that I was a valuable enough ally (really I mean to E, with whom I communicated the most) that they choose to keep me alive. It sounds pretty good that EG are on board, but each turn I really don't know and when I look at the processed orders I half-expect to see my elimination.

A has no chance of a solo against a combined EG. I think he needed to cut a deal with E to try a EA 2wd (which neither of them would have really intended) *before* A stabbed G. It probably was just not there. My chief concern now is that A will back off and allow EG to take some of his centers to reduce the imminency of his solo potential, as a means of showing EG that they can finish me off without risking his solo.

A doesn't even need to back off. EG easily could kill me and not really risk an A solo. I try to play up with both EG as much as I can how this is no time to screw around. I point out how when A is this close, all it takes is an inadvertent misorder or NMR to accidentally gift him with a solo. (After all, E already misordered this game, right? I don't expressly say it, but I couch my words so that he must be thinking about it.) I don't know if any of this has any effect at all, but I feel like I need to play the game on all fronts to bring home a 4wd.

Finally, after 1911 I can exhale.
I have one question (at the moment) for THM: what were my unsound moves in russia? I ask because my moves in Russia in 1908/1909 were not my idea - they were the evolution of my ideas exposed to THM's thoughts,which usually improved my ideas. I'm pretty sure I moved unit-for-unit as THM advised, because I asked him what he thought and upon receiving his advice, couldn't devise a better plan on myown (and,obvs, I did not know at this time that this was THM, I just thought it was someone good behind France).

And, more generally, do we think my chances could have been better if I stabbed Germany in 1904 instead of attacking France?
I think I pointed out to you in message that if G had moved Sil-Pru instead of Sil SH War in S09, it would have been more problematic for you. Leading up to that, I had said that you needed to give up on Mos and concentrate on holding the line at StP with two units because you couldn't defend Mos against a combined AG. In S09, you ordered StP SH Mos. That didn't directly contradict something we discussed, because IIRC we didn't go over moves in that area that turn (focusing instead on Med maneuvers). Predictably, AG double-supported Sev into Mos, dislodging your army into Liv. In my mind, the double-supported attack on Mos was for-sure, it was just a question of whether A would take it or G would take it.

If instead, G ordered Sil-Pru. It would have set up the following for A09: Pru S War-Liv (or vice versa), Mos-StP, Ukr S Sev-Mos. That would protect Mos, cut StP, and destroy Liv. At that time, I had suggested Swe S Nor-Den (convoyed by Nth), which you chose to execute that turn. The result was that Nor was vacant. If Liv had been destroyed, you would have enemy units in Liv and Mos facing an isolated StP army, so you would have lost StP the next turn and would have to move units that direction to avoid losing Scandinavia as well.

As it turns out, G didn't order Sil-Pru so you were able to safely evacuate the next turn into Nor and StP. I'm not criticizing G's choice because I don't know what was going on in the AG dynamic, such as whether he felt Sil SH Pru was necessary to avoid getting stabbed by A. But from the E perspective, I think you were lucky there was no Sil-Pru.

Had you gone after G instead of F in 1904, I think it still would have ended up in a draw. It really depends on what A would have done -- would he work with you to eat G or focus on R/T like he did in our scenario (I suspect the latter); would he help me crack through Italy or let Italy hold me off (I suspect the latter). Assuming A did those things, I think A would have defeated R/T like he did, and you would have wiped out G (unless I changed sides and helped G against you, which I wasn't intending to do). Then you would have been the largest power instead of A, maybe around 12 SCs. I don't think you would have been able to get across the stalemate line east of Switzerland, or at least not significantly so. So it would probably come down to an EFIA 4wd or an EIA 3wd. That's my thinking, anyway.
Of course, when you look at most boards, they shouldn't look like they will end up in a solo. If everyone plays competently and defends against a solo, there shouldn't be a solo. Something has to happen, either a gross miscalculation somewhere or intangibles/emotions coming into play. So, who knows?


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Nope. No problem here.
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