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G1 (92 D)
23 Dec 11 UTC
Alliances
I was wondering...
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fortknox (2059 D)
22 Dec 11 UTC
Holiday Pausing
I know a lot of games will have many people requesting pauses for Christmas and New Years. Please try to honor these pauses, as it isn't unexpected. Also, when requesting, please put an end date, so we don't have to deal with all the mod emails about it...
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
19 Dec 11 UTC
The Greatest Threat To Us All
The greatest danger to us all is the fear of failure.
It's that simple. Without failure to identify the errors individuals and society make total disaster becomes a real possibility.
Embrace failure because failure alone tells us where the edge of the cliff lies
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PowMacP (140 D)
23 Dec 11 UTC
World Map Winner takes all.
gameID=75629
3 days phase not to interfere with weekends although we can have it move to our own pace
All welcome
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WoodenSpork (100 D)
23 Dec 11 UTC
Players needed for Live Game Quick
NAME: silent quick game 15
we need 3 people to complete hurry while spaces last very very very fun game please join
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Zennith (0 DX)
23 Dec 11 UTC
Quick Game Now!
Get a game going here! Starts in 20!

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=75738
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
13 Dec 11 UTC
The World's smartest people=Americans
n U.S., Fear of Big Government at Near-Record Level
Proof positive Americans are the smartest people in the world.
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P-man (494 D)
23 Dec 11 UTC
Ten center Oz... Any takers?
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MadMarx (36299 D(G))
12 Dec 11 UTC
MadMarx ABI-36 EoG's
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=69819
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
22 Dec 11 UTC
World Games Unwrapped
My thoughts on world games and what I’ve seen. I’m curious to see what everyone else thinks and has noticed.
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
21 Dec 11 UTC
Point Loaning has been discontinued
I'm not exactly sure how this policy started, but the mods will no longer be transferring points between players. If you need points to play in a tournament, we will still give them to you. It's just too much of a hassle and completely undermines the point system.
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
22 Dec 11 UTC
eBooks and Christmas
So, as you may know, I'm a big proponent of eBooks. However, about half the gifts I'm giving this year are still traditional books. This is partly because a lot of people still don't have ereaders, but partly because giving ebooks seems wicked lame. In fact, for those I know have ereaders, I've avoided giving them books in either form.
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
22 Dec 11 UTC
Kim Jong Il is still dead!
Reactions to the lack of resurrection of the Dear Leader?
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acmac10 (120 D(B))
22 Dec 11 UTC
NFL Week 16 Pick 'Em
Go get 'em, boys. With only 2 weeks left in the schedule, teams like the Giants and Cowboys are battling it out for a playoff spot! It should be an exciting two weeks, and now, PICK 'EM!
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Yonni (136 D(S))
22 Dec 11 UTC
!! and checkmarks
I'm pretty conflicted on whether or not I like the fact that you can see if people have inputted orders yet. Reasoning to follow.
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Levelhead (1419 D(G))
23 Dec 11 UTC
Merry Christmas!
A Merry Christmas to all my Christian colleagues, a Happy Hanukkah to all my Jewish colleagues, and lastly to Tettleton: Happy Holidays!
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Alderian (2425 D(S))
21 Dec 11 UTC
Vegetarianism is evil
Imagine we make contact with an alien lifeform. A lifeform that is much like our plants in that they get their energy from the sun or other light sources. What would they think of us savage earthlings.
Alderian (2425 D(S))
21 Dec 11 UTC
Here we are, every day, killing other lifeforms to consume the energy embodied within. At one end of the spectrum are the carnivores who eat other life killers. At the other are the herbivores who eat only the innocent lifeforms, the plants. In the middle are the omnivores who eat whatever they please.

It is bad enough that we eat other lifeforms. The least we can do is restrict our diet to other killers and not the sacred plants.

Just an odd thought that came to me sitting at a table laden with a Thanksgiving feast almost a month ago. A thought I thought I'd share with you all as I look forward to an upcoming Christmas feast.
Imperator Dux (603 D(B))
21 Dec 11 UTC
My thoughts? If those hypothetical aliens did exist, I would tell them to go fuck themselves for being judgmental bastards. What right do they have to impose their inappropriate moral system on lifeforms in a completely different global ecosystem? Any moral system that is based on diet cannot be translated into that of an alien sentients system reliably.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
21 Dec 11 UTC
I would recommend the alien species sauteed in olive oil. They have a light zesty taste.
It's not as evil as TC makes Marxism seem.
Ursa (1617 D)
21 Dec 11 UTC
They already fuck themselves as part of their reproductive system.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
21 Dec 11 UTC
@Ald, so the carnivores, being rather hungry, decided to grow hundreds of tonnes of plants and feed them to their captive life killing stock.

By going through the intermediary of the life-killers they use about 7 times the amount of plants to feed themselves.

I think such a system would be abhorrent to anyone who cares either about the number of plants killed or the number of animals grown in factory conditions to feed the top of the food chain...
redhouse1938 (429 D)
21 Dec 11 UTC
@Thucy lol +1
I'm with Thucy - get the barby on!
Alderian (2425 D(S))
21 Dec 11 UTC
@Imperator Dux, it is not so much the diet as it is the killing of lifeforms that proceeds the diet. How would we feel if we met aliens whose primary diet was humanoidal? It might take some effort to get past on both sides.

@Ora, gave you a +1 for that, I'll have to think on it. Most animals we eat do tend to be herbivores. Perhaps cultures where eating cats, dogs, snakes, and such would look better to the hypothetical aliens. Or even just those that primarily subsist on fish.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
21 Dec 11 UTC
OP is right, serve me up some tiger meat!
redhouse1938 (429 D)
21 Dec 11 UTC
In my head I'm playing an X-Files episode with Alderan apologizing to a huge talking plant for his tomato salad.
Draugnar (0 DX)
21 Dec 11 UTC
Many fish eat algea, a primitive plant form. Those that don't eat something that works it's way back down to algea. About the only things that don't eat algea several steps removed, eat plankton.
damian (675 D)
22 Dec 11 UTC
I think that the aliens would probably be disgusted and feel sorry for us. As we must subsist off other lifeforms while they are able to generate their own food via photosynthesis.

Chances are they would see us as a primitive savage species.
killer135 (100 D)
22 Dec 11 UTC
Vegetarians would rejoice the aliens as a new type of cuisine...
Rommeltastic (1126 D(B))
22 Dec 11 UTC
The main reason people would find this silly is because Plants are not conscious. There hypothetical aliens, being sentient, are abhorred by the practices - until they realize that their plantlike relatives are, in fact vegetables (by definition?) They do not think, but merely life because that is how their pre-defined bodies react to the world around them.

What if we met an alien life form that was nothing more than slabs of meat that grew, germinated, and reproduced? (ignoring the huge problems with a species like that). The result we face - are WE monsters for eating them? No, because even if they're alien, they're basically just plants. Even if they were mildly conscious (cow?) then we might still eat them without feeling the least bit worried.

All in all, OP, no, it wouldn't change anything.
killer135 (100 D)
22 Dec 11 UTC
If they were huge chunks of meant it'd change EVERYTHING. Hamburger buns would have to be made much bigger...
Octavious (2802 D)
22 Dec 11 UTC
Plant aliens are evil!

Imagine we make contact with another alien lifeform. A lifeform that has abandoned its corporeal form and exists only as light and thought. What would they think of those savage plant aliens?
Manas (818 D)
22 Dec 11 UTC
@orathaic: You are assuming that we separately grow and feed the animals we plan to eat (which humans admittedly do). What about primitive hunters, say, who hunt animals int he wild and eat them. They aren't killing plants to feed animals before eating them, in fact, their killing the animal will save several plants from being eaten in future.
Dharmaton (2398 D)
22 Dec 11 UTC
LOL :)
Dharmaton (2398 D)
22 Dec 11 UTC
"This is a carnivorous universe." - Carlos Cataneda
taos (281 D)
22 Dec 11 UTC
get real
imagine an alien specie who let theyr own specie die from hunger when there is plenty of food for all of them,but because of the stupid economical sistem they prefer to burn it.
1/3 of theyr world has more then enougth but 2/3 are terribly poor,hungry and sick
and if it is not enougth they also kill each other to get some source of energy that helps them keep theyr way of life without working to hard so they can spend most of theyr time on comunication.sorry but who cares what we eat?we are the most disgusting form of life at the eyes of any advance aliens who have the technology to get here
HANG ON, what if we got the huge meat slab aliens and the plant aliens together, and ate them in a delicious burger?
Preferably served with cheese aliens, mayo aliens, and pureed tomato aliens.
Alderian (2425 D(S))
22 Dec 11 UTC
@Draugnar, yes, but I'm looking at this from a "least offensive" approach. Eating animals that eat algae is less offensive than eating more complex land based plants. And many fish eat other fish so eating those fish is even more removed, and as Manas indicates, eating those fish may protect the algae.

@damian, do we feel sorry for vampires who eat by sucking the life essence from other living beings? I agree with the disgust and viewing us as primitive savages.

@Rommeltastic, yes plants are not "conscious" or sentient, as far as we know. But if these aliens come from a background where killing anything else is abnormal, that distinction may not matter. Humans make that distinction as it makes it easier to be fine with killing and eating plants and other animals we think of as not being very intelligent. Also, I wonder how far we are from growing huge slabs of meat for the purpose of eating.

@Manas, a fair point but still pretty minor in that we do in fact grow plants for the sole purpose of feeding them to the animals we eat. The percentage of humans that subsist off of wild game has got to be pretty small these days, even in less advanced portions of the world.

@taos, why would I want to get real in a thread about hypothetical plant aliens? Besides, the alien species I've hypothesized, who thinks killing is abhorrent, may still view our process of eating as worse than our civilization letting people starve.
Alderian (2425 D(S))
22 Dec 11 UTC
Damn, I'm getting hungry and my mouth is watering!
orathaic (1009 D(B))
22 Dec 11 UTC
@manas, you said: 'What about primitive hunters, say, who hunt animals int he wild and eat them. They aren't killing plants to feed animals before eating them, in fact, their killing the animal will save several plants from being eaten in future. '

True, very true, but if you happen to assume for a moment that aliens which have managed to develop some form of interstellar transport don't have (at least the ability to) think in terms of systems, ie holistically, rather than reducing behaviour down to the individual concerned...

In which case you will still see this carnivore species as subsisting off the deaths of plants.

Of course i feel that taking this view would lead them to several other conclusions about us which messes up both of our arguements... alas, i fear, i've lost that train of thought.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
23 Dec 11 UTC
ok, carrying on from that thought, but in reverse, if the aliens took a more reductionist approach, they might see us plant killing omnivores, and see the cells that make us up.

The best type of cell being the ones feed on their host until it dies and then quickly die themselves, the cancer cells which by their own sacrifice prevent further plant cells from being consumed.

I think this highlights my point about expecting either further reductionism or holism (?), why do we assume that these aliens would see things in the terms we are used to seeing them.... We're just ascribing our own individuality to these aliens... if they lived social like ants they might think or a city as the individual and not see the importance of the individual worker in the city compared to the overall health of the system...


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erik8asandwich (298 D)
23 Dec 11 UTC
Join booty pirates!
Come on. You know you want to find some treasure.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=75675
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The Czech (40499 D(S))
23 Dec 11 UTC
Sitter needed for a live game
gameID=75620
PM me if you are interested.
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PowMacP (140 D)
22 Dec 11 UTC
World map. Need 7 more players.
gameID=74616 World Diplomacy map
Starts in 11 hours. Missing 7 players
password: purps
Don't be shy, we don't bite. :o)
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santosh (335 D)
22 Dec 11 UTC
WTA-GB-27
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Sydney City (0 DX)
22 Dec 11 UTC
new rome needed- great position- winning
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=75595&nocache=539
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LordVipor (566 D)
22 Dec 11 UTC
If you are in a game, and you miss three turns, do you have to pay to rejoin?
If you are in a game, and you miss the three turns and get kicked out ("Player Blah has Left"). If you come back, do you have to repay to join or not?
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stratagos (3269 D(S))
20 Dec 11 UTC
I'd just like to point out...
that I'm a FREAKING IDIOT.

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darklordpotter (102 D)
22 Dec 11 UTC
Live Classic NOW
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=75580
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darklordpotter (102 D)
22 Dec 11 UTC
The World Ends in FIve Minutes
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=75565
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Kochevnik (1160 D)
21 Dec 11 UTC
Luis Suarez and the difference between Spanish and English terminology
So, the Liverpool football player Luis Suarez just got a huge ban from the English FA for racism. The problem is that what he said is racist in English, but not Spanish, and he was talking in Spanish.
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
19 Dec 11 UTC
22 years
This game took 22 diployears to finish. Anybody interested in a summary of what happened here?
gameID=67307
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Putin33 (111 D)
22 Dec 11 UTC
GOP cuts off CSPAN cameras
Because they hate criticism and want to hide their hatred of the middle class. Spin this one, Repugs.
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
20 Dec 11 UTC
The Masters Tournament
So just a quick update for all those involved
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