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Conservative Man (100 D)
10 Jul 11 UTC
Live games always start at their scheduled start time, right?
Even if it fills up like hours before the start time?
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☺ (1304 D)
09 Jul 11 UTC
☻☻☺☺ EOG
Please wait until the game is actually over to post them.

gameID=63406
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gman314 (100 D)
09 Jul 11 UTC
Sitter needed
I will be away July 15-30 and need a sitter. I will have three games active but they are in the Masters and League C1 so you cannot be in either of those. PM me if you are interested.
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Catch23 (0 DX)
06 Jul 11 UTC
Mute button
Can someone please inform me on how this works, and what it dose?
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Lin Biao Jr. (359 D)
09 Jul 11 UTC
Divide et vinces. Comments on Sudan's outcome
I've been following lately everything that has being going on there and I was wondering if history is going to repeat itself as, quoting one of my friends 'divorce often leads to even greater poverty and woe'. Indeed, being Africa, some argue that harping on “blood of martyrs” they'd better prepare for tribal violence and government corruption.
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The Czech (40297 D(S))
09 Jul 11 UTC
Mod help please
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=63361&nocache=864
I've sent 2 emails. I know you are busy, but this is a live game. Could you check it out please.
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Babak (26982 D(B))
07 Jul 11 UTC
Wow - cool Dip tournament in Indianapolis... Aug 4-7
"Gen Con Indy is the original, longest running, best attended, gaming convention in the world. For nearly 40 years, Gen Con Indy has been setting the trend and breaking records. Last year, more than 26,000 unique attendees experienced Gen Con Indy."
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mr_brown (302 D(B))
05 Jul 11 UTC
Stabbing not nice?
So I got this question: I may be fairly new to this game, but I read up a lot and have a few games under my belt. But as far as I understand, stabbing is an integral part of this game, right? But still I get players with lots (LOTS) of games finished really bitching (and I mean bad 4-letter words here) at me for stabbing them. Is it them or me? What are your thoughts?
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dD_ShockTrooper (1199 D)
09 Jul 11 UTC
Guess what guys? I WON!!!
This is quite amazing to see, it's the hardest game I've ever completed: thread=444658
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lkruijsw (100 D)
09 Jul 11 UTC
Diplomacy PodCast
http://diplomacycast.com/page.cfm/News
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Please-not-turkey (540 D)
09 Jul 11 UTC
WTF is gunboat...
Message inside.
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Proposition Joe (318 D)
09 Jul 11 UTC
The Diplomacy Map
Corisca is a French territory, but is colored according to whoever holds an Italian territory (Tuscany I think?) when it should be the color of whichever power controls holds Marseille. Whereas Sardinia is Italian and never changes color (and neither does Crete). Meanwhile Iceland changes color based on whoever owns Clyde instead of the more logical Denmark or Norway. These questions going unanswered hinders my ability to play Diplomacy and function normally in day to day life.
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P-man (494 D)
08 Jul 11 UTC
Account Sitting
I'm going out of town for a week, without internet access, but am still in three games ( two gunboat, one press), could I get someone to sit my account?

Thanks in advance,
P-man
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
05 Jul 11 UTC
The Batchman Cometh EOG gameID=61654
EOG and Summary gameID=61654
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
06 Jul 11 UTC
"Learning the lessons of the past"
Its what I get every time I talked about history with my students, I nodded in support but I really wanted to tear my hair out. Are there truly lessons from the past or are those "lessons" merely the result of hindsight?
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
08 Jul 11 UTC
Cachimbo, there is a phrase you find in almost every contract, "Time is of the essence." When I run into individuals who obviously don't know what they are talking about I point it out as quickly as possible. I change my opinions when the facts change, and I search constantly for the latest information I can find.
If you consider any of these threads academic debates then your definition of such and mine are categorically different.
Having an intelligent conversation with someone who is ignorant of the facts and uninformed is impossible.
You simply point out the truth to these types of individuals and leave it up to them to figure it out.
I constantly mock and insult anyone who mocks and insults me.
No if you were not lazy, sensitive, defensive, or whatever ailment you suffer from then you would read the exchanges between myself and Santa Claus, Putin and a number of others, and since I am a gambling man I would wager you that I could find them casting the first stone to speak in every instance.
The problem for these individuals is that they got a lot more than they bargained for when they took me on. Not only am I more informed on the issues I discuss than particular opponents in this forum I also am not going to be constrained by their inability to realize what Pandora's box they opened. If they want to be insulting I'm more insulting than they bargained for. If they want to debate points I know are false I will demolish them. There is no compromising the truth Cachimbo, and I search wide and far for the truth. I've spend hundred's of dollars a month to subscribe to numerous databases of articles, abstracts, and other research material. I read them constantly. It is what I do for a living. I'm a professional researcher. I'm not a professional writer. I'm not an academic. I find out what people want answered and I find out the answer for them. There is no shining a single light as you claimed. I have to present my findings to groups for reimbursement. They want the facts and the truth. If I can't convince them I've found it then I'm out of work. Thankfully I'm gainfully employed and have a loyal clientele. When you hire me you will get the best informed answer that the available research supplies. You won't get some polite academic compromise that attempts to please individuals or tenure committees or the like. You will get uncompromising research that looks at the problem from all angles and is defensible against attacks that are sure to come from the type of single light pointing individuals you talk about but don't seem to have any idea how to really identify.
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
08 Jul 11 UTC
Cachimbo, besides being defensive sensitive, and lazy I see you jump the gun as well by assuming I wouldn't answer you. After reading just two of your posts I don't find that surprising at all. Hot air bags like yourself follow a boringly predictable pattern.

Getting the best research and the most recent research is always what you want to have. The most recent research usually is the most informed because it builds on what came before it. It corrects the errors of previous work and reinforces the correct conclusion. This simply stands to logic, but of course individual who shine a single light make up their minds based on something they read or heard long ago, say Das Kapital, and they are locked in for the rest of their incompetent intellectual lives.
So as far as entering or contributing to the debate I see you have nothing to offer.
You have no specifics.
You have no references.
You Cachimbo are just another bag of hot air.
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
08 Jul 11 UTC
Can someone please show how FDR's policies ended the Great Depression? Because I have some great research by acclaimed scholars backed up by meticulous statistical analysis I love to use.
Putin33 (111 D)
08 Jul 11 UTC
Tettleton, explain the budget numbers or shut up.
Cachimbo (1181 D)
08 Jul 11 UTC
So I take it you work for a think tank of sorts, yes?

Also, if you know so much about "economical facts" and are so versed into the material, how come you don't even suggest that these "facts", contrary to physical facts, are constructions, interpretations. In other words, any good economist (and I do know one or two, even though it's not my field; having said that, knowing one or two person doesn't amount to anything, I'll give you that much!) will tell you, in all humility, that they work with hypotheses and interpretations about the data they collect. Some have an ideological bend, some don't. But all will agree: there is no "hard" fact about an economical phenomenon. Only data that awaits interpretation.
If you agree to that, and I believe you will, you must then also agree that competing interpretations can exist. Of course, the game goes to the interpret who can best explain the most extensive sum of data. And maybe you win that game here since you seem to have knowledge that others lack; this is not, nor I have I ever said it was, an academic thread!
Having said that, it is quite noticeable in all of your inputs on these threads that you have a certain ideological leaning. Some don't share your leanings. And while those who are here fail to convince you that they are worthy of your dialogue (which I still believe, contrary to you, is a politeness due to any other human being), you will likely grant me that some others "out there" do have that knowledge AND a competing ideology. If you do grant me so much, and I don't see how you couldn't (and if you don't, then you won't here from me again since I believe that I've only made "commonsensical" points), then how can you claim to "hit the others with the truth" as though you were pointing to some physical object?
There are competing interpretations, and one sees better when there is more than one light.
Cachimbo (1181 D)
08 Jul 11 UTC
Oh.... I guess you lose your bet then. I have not thrown one insult your way, yet you have already sent a few flying in my direction.

You're really not good at this!
Cachimbo (1181 D)
08 Jul 11 UTC
Oh! And what you describe, in terms of how knowledge progresses, strangely resembles that thing called Scholasticism... Interestingly enough, it took the lights of many people to break that cycle!
Cachimbo (1181 D)
08 Jul 11 UTC
But I'm sure you're really good at your job. It's really a shame that you can't converse, because I would have appreciated the chance to learn from you.

And finally: how can I be defensive when I haven't sided with anyone on the matter?

You do really suck at this! hihi
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
08 Jul 11 UTC
Cachimbo, I guess you are a bald-faced liar as well. Your entire first post was an insult. You may want to hide behind an internet wall, but I dare say if you said that to a grown man in a closed room you would receive a speedy and immediate redefinition of your ideas of what is and is not insulting.

Of course I see you still have nothing to add on the top at hand besides your insults. Ignorance of the Great Depression is one of your many talents as well.
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
08 Jul 11 UTC
My job involves analysis and presentation. You won't learn from me Cachimbo. You will learn from the sources I can bring you. So go rid the links and educate yourself. That is of course if you have access to the materials, but what self-proclaimed intellectual wouldn't have access to such a basic database of articles as J-Stor.
Santa Claus doesn't seem to and I find that odd. A history teacher at any level should be a member of either the American Historical Association or the Organization of American Historians. If I'm not mistaken both off personal subscriptions to J-Stor and to their award winning journals where a historian can stay informed with the latest research, but I've read that the latest research isn't that good, right Cachi?
Putin33 (111 D)
08 Jul 11 UTC
Tettleton, explain how FDR could be Keynesian when Keynesianism didn't exist until 1936.

Anyway, in 1933 unemployment was 25%. in 1937 unemployment was 14%. This was, as Paul Krugman and other Keynesians rightly point out, under a very modest fiscal expansion policy. FDR's budget cuts increased unemployment back up to 20% in 1938. Which is why we should never ever ever listen to rightwing economists in a recession/depression.

Also, GDP went from 66 billion in 1934 to 92 billion in 1937, with a drop again in 1938.

http://www.shmoop.com/great-depression/statistics.html
Here is the list of sources for those numbers:
http://www.shmoop.com/great-depression/citations.html#5
"Can someone please show how FDR's policies ended the Great Depression? Because I have some great research by acclaimed scholars backed up by meticulous statistical analysis I love to use."

They didnt, they aleviated some of the depressions worst points but the war (and the spending caused by the war) took the US out of the depression. But FDR was in no way an adherant to keynsean economic thought
Cachimbo (1181 D)
08 Jul 11 UTC
Okay....
My post might have been insulting, but it was not an insult. You like to throw insults (I can only guess that you do so in order to hide something), but I have no pleasure in doing so. It's too easy and oh so pointless: bald face liar, bag of hot air... How does that add to anything?
My comment was insulting to you only because you refuse to see that people engage with you hoping to discuss matters that mean something to them as well. Meanwhile, you hide behind data that you would likely be unable to interpret without the lights that others cast for you. And as for the "others" who enlighten you, they all seem to share your point of view, your ideology. That makes it really difficult to feel like you will actually consider anything anyone says.

My ideology is that there's always something to learn.

And you're right, I don't know much about the great depression and it's a shame. I wish I knew more. I read this thread in hopes that I would learn a little something, but was consistently frustrated by your incapacity to have a discussion with other people. You made it impossible for anyone to gain anything from this conversation. That's not an insult. That's a fact. And yes, an interpretative fact for sure!

People mute you for a reason I guess. I just don't see the point of doing so. I was truly having this bit of chat with you in hopes that you would seize the occasion to have a real discussion with someone willing to listen and participate (as I believe most here are, but certainly not all).
Cachimbo (1181 D)
08 Jul 11 UTC
In response to your last comment: if I can't learn from you, and no one else can here, then why do you talk? You speak of the wisdom of your sources. Can you not think for yourself? Can you not question yourself nor the sources? Can you not present the content of their ideas independently? Can you not present them to us as something you've gathered? Can you not gather, in your wealth of data and sources, challenging ideas to the authors you like so much? Are you that one-sided? This is not work, this is a conversation between intelligent people.
And kindly stop making claims on my behalf: I have not proclaimed myself anything. I don't believe that credentials are necessary in order to think and talk.
"Santa Claus, you better not read the work Harold Cole and Lee Ohanian from UCLA's Economics department who argue that FDR's New Deal made the Great Depression much worse that it would have been without his policies.

Roosevelt's policies of trying to kept wages and prices up made this increased unemployment and made the depression worse and longer.

Here is a link if you decide to read current research on the Depression.
http://goo.gl/ei59I

Their conclusion. New Deal labor and industrial policies did not lift the economy out of the Depression, but instead the New Deal's policy of increasing the collective bargaining power of labor raised wages which increased unemployment which kept the Depression from ending in 1934 and extended in through 1939.

Update yourself Santa Claus. You are a teacher. Quit teaching archaic outdated and disproven ideas. "

Alan Brinkleys work is considered authoritative on the late new deal policies, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about because you thought FDR was Keynseyan and believed that he never tried to balance the budget. You have no idea what you are talking about... as always.
Putin33 (111 D)
08 Jul 11 UTC
Interestingly, TC's own article says: (on 1477, not 1481 as TC claims).

"1933-1937 registered the strongest output growth (39 percent) of any four-year period in US history outside of wartime."

So that would explain why it is widely claimed that FDR's policies led to recovery. Eggertsson doesn't cite any budget numbers. Paul Krugman, the King of all Keynesians, says FDR did not engage in a Keynesian policy during the 1930s.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/08/new-deal-economics/
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
08 Jul 11 UTC
So that is your rebuttal of the detailed research done by Cole and Ohanian Santa Claus.

"Alan Brinkley is considered authoritative?" It is safe to say your intellectual understanding of the Great Depression ceased in 1996 Santa.
How cheated your students are.
How typical of many teachers who fail students today. Instead of staying current as facts change they simply remain dogmatic with outdated ideas.
"So that would explain why it is widely claimed that FDR's policies led to recovery. Eggertsson doesn't cite any budget numbers. Paul Krugman, the King of all Keynesians, says FDR did not engage in a Keynesian policy during the 1930s.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/08/new-deal-economics/ "

Its because he didnt, it isnt an argument, those that say he engaged in keynseyan policyare mistaken because they conflate spending with keynseyan policy. Its a lazy mistake, but like the militia myth TC defends it has become a mistaken truth as confused teachers and reporters confuse the Keynseyan moment after WWII to FDRs spending program in the depression. FDR believed in a balanced budget, his spending were seen as emergency acts to put Americans to work, once the economy started to improve he tried to balance the budget causing the second leg of the depression. TC has no idea what hes talking about
"Alan Brinkley is considered authoritative?" It is safe to say your intellectual understanding of the Great Depression ceased in 1996 Santa.
How cheated your students are.
How typical of many teachers who fail students today. Instead of staying current as facts change they simply remain dogmatic with outdated ideas."

Dogmatic right, that FDR who tried to balance the budget in 1938 wasnt a keynseyan. Such Dogma spewing out of my mouth. FDR who saw spending as a necessary evil is a keynseyan. just stop admit you were wrong for once.
Cachimbo (1181 D)
08 Jul 11 UTC
Tettleton: you do realize that, though I don't know much about the topic, I can read. And one thing I haven't read is you replying to any objection made to "your" interpretation of the data that was somewhat rigorous and documented.
Being around you must be exhausting for any one with half a brain.
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
08 Jul 11 UTC
You tell me the flaws you found in Cole and Ohanian's work? I've sat in on their lectures to and contacted them to answer questions I had regarding it.
You didn't even follow the link to read it.
How lazy are you? Talk about "thinking for yourself." Do you just decide what the truth is without any inputs whatsoever?
I can see the motto in Cachi's mind, "I believe therefore it is!" LOL!

I you want a bibliography of the latest research on the Depression let me know.
To think for yourself though you need to "read" it.
I don't mind the source that Santa Claus used, Brinkley's End of Reform, but what Santa Claus posts has little to do with what Dr. Brinkley wrote.
Of course you would have to "read" it to know.
I'm going to go do some "reading" of sources and think about their arguments to see which ones are correct.
So when you decide to make a statement about the Depression let me know.
Santa Claus has stopped, and for good reason. He is tired of looking like a fool.
Let's see what "you" have to say about the Depression Cachi, and what you base it on.
Your own original research in primary documents.
Your own analysis of the secondary sources.
Or simply a fart in the wind.
That was his thesis. What are you talking about. The only statement I made about FDR is he wasn't Keynseyan, and that he tried to balance the budget, which if you read what "Dr. Brinkley" had wrote (or what he wrote in the textbook i taught out of) you would understand that FDR tried to balance the budget in 37. It isnt a matter of interpretation, it is a matter of fact.
Putin33 (111 D)
08 Jul 11 UTC
TC, why won't you address the budget numbers?

FY 1936 -4,304
FY 1937 -2,193
FY 1938 -89

Why won't you address the fact that FDR's 1938 budget only had a deficit of 89 million, and had gone down from 4.3 billion in 1936?
Because he has no idea what he is talking about, as usual despite all the books he has "read".
Cachimbo (1181 D)
08 Jul 11 UTC
As far as farts in the wind are concerned, you're throwing too many my way for me to be able to decipher them.
As for the rest of your comment, you seem unable to see who made the comments that you're trying to answer to. I have found no flaws. Santa did. Oh, and he didn't quit: he's invited you to admit you were wrong.
And no, I still don't have much of an opinion on that debate. In fact, I don't have one at all. I value FDR's political views and his desire to see a second bill of rights come to life. I believe, though I know too little of him, that he managed to be both a pragmatist and a visionary. As for the depression, I'm much more interested in the causes than in the reactions to it, for it is my very humble opinion that the prevailing forces that saw to the crash happening were still very much holding the big end of the bat when it was time to solve the crisis. Just as it was in the last crash.
Cachimbo (1181 D)
08 Jul 11 UTC
Well, as much fun as this was, I'm going to bed.

Can't wait to see what Tettleton's ass will come up with while I rest!

By the way Tettleton, where the hell are you from and what college did you graduate from? I want to make sure none of my kids follow in your footsteps.
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
08 Jul 11 UTC
You tell me the flaws you found in Cole and Ohanian's work? I've sat in on their lectures to and contacted them to answer questions I had regarding it.
You didn't even follow the link to read it.
How lazy are you? Talk about "thinking for yourself." Do you just decide what the truth is without any inputs whatsoever?
I can see the motto in Cachi's mind, "I believe therefore it is!" LOL!

I you want a bibliography of the latest research on the Depression let me know.
To think for yourself though you need to "read" it.
I don't mind the source that Santa Claus used, Brinkley's End of Reform, but what Santa Claus posts has little to do with what Dr. Brinkley wrote.
Of course you would have to "read" it to know.
I'm going to go do some "reading" of sources and think about their arguments to see which ones are correct.
So when you decide to make a statement about the Depression let me know.
Santa Claus has stopped, and for good reason. He is tired of looking like a fool.
Let's see what "you" have to say about the Depression Cachi, and what you base it on.
Your own original research in primary documents.
Your own analysis of the secondary sources.
Or simply a fart in the wind.
Sicarius (673 D)
08 Jul 11 UTC
History repeats itself precisely because 'we' have learned the lessons of the past.


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Draugnar (0 DX)
08 Jul 11 UTC
Anyone here ever bought from Thought Hammer (thoughthammer.com)?
I just discovered their gaming sight. Their prices look decent and was just wondering if anyone had any experience with them?
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
05 Jul 11 UTC
Leaving webdiplomacy
See inside...
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hotetatu (188 D)
08 Jul 11 UTC
fast game needs players
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=63298

start in a few minutes!
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Babak (26982 D(B))
27 Jun 11 UTC
Face-to-Face game in DC - Sunday July 10th
Those of you in or near DC - there will be an FtF game on July 10th. meetup link: http://www.meetup.com/Potomac-Tea-and-Knife-Society/

I will be there as well. would love to see some webdip faces. if anyone can make it, post here.
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☺ (1304 D)
08 Jul 11 UTC
All that Jazz EOG
gameID=63278

Inside
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
07 Jul 11 UTC
Atlanta Teachers Cheating Kids
This story is going to explode. Teachers cheating!!!!!!!!!! They should go to prison.
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Catch23 (0 DX)
07 Jul 11 UTC
Live World
Would anyone be intrested in a live world game? 5 minute phases, possibly 10
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
05 Jul 11 UTC
New Ghost-Ratings up
Indeed they are.

tournaments.webdiplomacy.net
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Sigur Ros (100 D)
05 Jul 11 UTC
Internal 500 Error
I'm playing my first live game and I keep being interrupted by 'Internal 500 Errors' - I tried to reload but I missed my go because I couldn't get back to the game from this error page. The help page that appears says the game will pause but it didn't and now I lost my go. I see the same thing happened to another player. Is there anything that can be done please?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
06 Jul 11 UTC
Soooo...If You Have Your Mouth Duct Taped, It Counts As A
casey-anthony-trial-acquittal-death-caylee-anthony-still-214100601

Really, that's one of the worst butcher jobs on justice I've ever seen...
And so Psycho Casey--how do I *really* feel?--goes free...seriously, if I ever get in trouble and actually commit a crime, I want HER attorney!
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Conservative Man (100 D)
07 Jul 11 UTC
Dream Theater
Has anyone else heard of this amazingly awesome band? They play progressive metal. They're not really well known outside of heavy metal and progressive rock fans. They have some of the best musicians in the world, but not a lot of people have heard of them. Has anyone here heard of them?
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
06 Jul 11 UTC
Is the decline of the West inevitable?
And would the decline of the West be good or bad? And if it is happening why is it happening? And if it's not inevitable, how to avoid it, and if it is, why? Relates to viewthread=738890
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Conservative Man (100 D)
07 Jul 11 UTC
Mute Feature
Why doesn't the mute feature block private messages from the person as well?
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
06 Jul 11 UTC
Noob building question
I own a SC, Greece (it is my color) and have no unit on it. I have 6 territories and 5 units. It is the build phase.

Why can I not build on Greece? The option to build is there for all other unoccupied SCs, which are coincidentally the same ones that I started with. Am I only ever allowed to build on my starting SC's?
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
05 Jul 11 UTC
End Government Control of Medicine
As Obamacare threatens to give the federal government complete control of America medicine isn't it time to take a look at the empirical evidence from Canada and Great Britain?
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