changelog: http://webdiplomacy.net/install/0.82-0.90/readme.txt

Have you noticed that the apes are the ruling species now?

Mod?

Why any option to set Diplomacy is not implemented in this Diplomacy game?!! :(

@Ice Cold - you are a new player who jumped into 9 games and you're already complaining about stuff? It's free, don't bitch.

Why did you just say "mod"?

@Ice Cold - I'm not sure what you mean by "set diplomacy." Perhaps you're confused about how the game works? You don't "set diplomacy" you actually engage in it by messaging with the other players in the game. Like real life any alliances or arrangements you make are only as good as the people involved in them.

There should be options to set Non agression pact, Permanent Non agression pact, Alliance, Permanent Alliance, Offensive alliance against X player.
These options are in the PC Diplomacy game.

That's because the PC diplomacy game is played against an AI, whereas here, you can tell someone you want a NAP instead of pushing a button.

Yes, and the PC Diplomacy game is against computers if I'm not mistaken. That'd be pretty boring in a real game against real people. There are no such options in the board game, why would you want them here? If there's no risk of a stab... where would the fun be in that?

@Ice cold: This is real life. You'll have to live with our sneaky lying natures!

Those options aren't in the board game either; you just make pacts, whatever kind of pact you want. Perhaps you want to announce a non-agression pact in Public? You can do that!

Is there really a zero chance of a stab by the AI in the PC game?

That sucks.

Really the point is that, if all of the diplomacy could be taken care of in the push of a button... what's the point of even playing against other real people? I think you're missing the real fun and point of Diplomacy. The real actually diplomacy between people. The give and take, and never quite knowing if you can trust the other person. Manipulating the other players to do what you want and then at the right moment betraying someone and pushing for a win is what the game is all about!

LOL. Here, you have to tell someone you want an NAP, then you lie to them and attack anyway. If you wanted a button to force an NAP, you might as well keep playing a computer.

Problem is in NO games I got any trustworthy neighbour! There is NO damage in reputation if backstabbing happens! The game should be able to track if someone backstabbed by breaking NAP or alliance and noting it in the user profile. All the lies r making me almost quit this game :(

LOL. Welcome to Diplomacy Ice Cold.

The lies are what makes this game fun.

At least the game should track it and report about trustworthyness of a player in his/her profile? There can be another game type ( like now people sets Pot or Winner takes all) where diplomatic relation can be set but would NOT be strictly enforced. But it will report if some one have backstabbed x number of times out of x number of games played. Mods/ developers pls add this for implementation.

I can give you something to work with:

If the player has won a game, he has backstabbed someone.

If the player has been playing for over two months in this site, he has backstabbed someone.

If the player has a lot of 1 , he has backstabbed someone.

If you don't defend you borders with your allies, or effectively DMZ them, the player will backstab you if it is convenient.

What you ask for will never be implemented in this site.

Ever. Really.

And trust those of us who have been playing here for a while:

It is better this way.

How do you track trustworthyness? What you call a stab I may not. I might argue there was never an agreement, I might argue you violated the agreement by moving to x, I might say it was preemptive. There are always shades of gray in this game. This is a game about INTRIGUE and DIPLOMACY. And what is said in game stays in game. You can't track stats like a baseball player.

ahahhahahahhah Ice Cold, you do realise that you sound like a Guitar Hero player complaining that a real guitar has all these strange strings instead of the couloured buttons, right? :)

Even if I guard my territories, I get attacked by 2 players in concert. But I never get anyone to help me that way, they promise to support me but doesn't! My enemies support each other but my friends doesnt support me!

Its my bad luck that I never got any such supportive friend :(

Ice Cold,
it isn't your bad luck. Its your bad Diplomacy. Either you aren't doing a good job conversing with other players, or someone else is doing a better job.

Frankly, the VAST majority of your games are in 1901 or 1902. You haven't been playing long enough to make a judgement on whether the entire site should be changed to suit your needs.

Then you obviously aren't a very good diplomat. You know what? Make a new game. I'll join it, and teach you the finer arts of this game. Consider me your master, andyou, my apprentice. Sound good to you?

Ice Cold: it's a tough lesson to learn at first, but Diplomacy is a unique game in which the only way to get a solo win (the only kind of win recognized in the original game) is to betray people you have worked with. Over time, it all evens out; you will get to stab as well as be stabbed. Just assume that any good dip player will turn on any other dip player when the circumstances seem to warrant it. Then the challenge is to manage the circumstances so that you get stabbed much less frequently than you stab.

LOL, the only game that has gone any length of time is in 1912 I think. You attacked EVERYONE, and then you missed a few turns. Are you surprised at your fate when you got attacked?

Ice Cold, I've just looked at your games. There's only 1 that you are doing badly in, which I think is one that you joined by accident as discussed in another thread. In every other game, you are doing OK. If somebody has already stabbed you in one of those, well, now *you* know not to trust them so much. Meanwhile, try to strike alliances with the other players, and try to make up with the people attacking you so that they'll leave you alone. That's what the game is about (that and stabbing people yourself when you get a chance!).

Actually, Ice Cold, please don't discuss any games in progress. When a game you feel you were betrayed finishes, post about it here and ask for advice.

It's called CYA. when you get in position where you think the other guy is tempted to stab you, make certain you have the forces and the warning to fight it off and you'll premptively prevent the stab. MAD works in this game.

And the trustworthyness, to a certain extent, is shown on the players profile. Just look at their games, and see if they are prone to game long alliances, or stabbing for a better alliance.

In fact, Toby, if somebody stabs you, he or she may still make a very good ally. The best players, when stabbed, just keep right on talking to you.

Ice- if you're stabbed, its probably you're fault. You should be able to keep your allies confident that the alliance is best for them, which is a matter of judgement and great care too.

And even those players who stab to win can still be trusted: you know they are a good player and will therefore be reasonable reliable, since reliability helps them achieve their goals.

So long as you have something to offer them, they will have the same for you. It's a hard habit to break from, but discuss what they have to gain from working with you more than what you do.

sometimes people will stab when it doesn't even seem to benefit them. If they are a bad player they will stab more than one neighbor in which case you can get an angry mob to counter attack them! I've always found that loyal alliances help win games and get alot more points than backstabbing. If you can't trust your ally it makes it alot harder to take territories because you keep some reserved to protect yourself.

Now I know what it feels like to have my thread hijacked. Thanks a lot, jackass.

This new design is HORRIBLE. WHATEVER HAPPENED TO JOINABLE GAMES??? IT TAKES A NASA SCIENTIST TO FIND THEM NOW. JEEZUS CRIKES, YOU ASSHOLES.

Um or you could just join new ones instead of taking over CD's...

Sorry for hijackign the threat unwillingly :/
I also find the new interface confusing. It is soooooo hard to find joinable games.
And the filter/search functions doesnt make it easy at all.

Meh, I don't find the new interface too bad. I thought the colours in game were a little muted at first, but I'm getting used to them, as well as the more detailed move indicators.

I probably should read the entire thread before putting my two cents in.... (but I won't).
IceCold forget the PC game - that is a poor imitation of the real thing. This is diplomacy as it meant to be played. And it is much more complex and much more subtle. You have to learn to diplome.
Understand that players won't always do what they say they are going to do. Sometimes they will lie, at other times they will simply change their mind (and not tell you). You have to try to intuit what the other players will do - and second guess them. You need to get a feel for when a stab is likely to happen - experience will teach you the clues to look out for.
As a basic guide expect other players to make moves that are in *their* best interests not *your* best interests. The key to diploming is convincing the other players that the move *you* want them to make is in *their* best interest.
Lastly regarding a trustworthiness rating (which sounds like PC game concept) - I don't think that would work here. I am not always trustworthy - not because I am inherently dishonest, but because circumstances within the game change. In some games I will stab everyone around me (sometimes more than once) in others I am loyal the whole game through.

Never had so much fun reading a topic, LOL. If we were to put a 'trustworthiness rating' on this site it would probably range from -10 to -200... I've tried a demo of the PC Game and it's indeed a poor substiture, where you have to engage in 'diplomacy' by offering moves to another player. Lame, and tiring.

@ Onar&Ice Cold: if you guys start such a game I'd join too to Onar's colored teachings. :-P

Ice Cold, remember that there are two rules in Diplomacy:

1. Trust no one.
2. Trust everyone is centered on his or her benefit.

For example of the second rule see spyman's post.

* I'd join too to dispute Onar's colored teachings.