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BarryChuckle (100 D)
24 Jun 09 UTC
New game - Fast pace - Small buy in
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11757

12 hr phase, 15 points
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Razz (144 D)
23 Jun 09 UTC
Szykman Paradox
How is it actually resolved here?
Razz (144 D)
23 Jun 09 UTC
If I'm reading the Adjudicator rules, correct, the convoying fleet is dislodged, and the army does not move?
Razz (144 D)
23 Jun 09 UTC
Specifically, what is the result of:
6.F.14. TEST CASE, SIMPLE CONVOY PARADOX

The most common paradox is when the attacked unit supports an attack on one of the convoying fleets.

England:
F London Supports F Wales - English Channel
F Wales - English Channel

France:
A Brest - London
F English Channel Convoys A Brest - London
kestasjk (64 DMod(P))
23 Jun 09 UTC
IIRC Szykman is actually the name of a method of resolving any convoy paradox. We follow the Szykman method of cancelling any moves involved in the smallest convoy paradox chain which can be found.

To look up how our adjudicator handles individual test cases you can check http://phpdiplomacy.net/datc.php
kestasjk (64 DMod(P))
23 Jun 09 UTC
(In this case: http://phpdiplomacy.net/datc/maps/614-largemap.png )
jbalcorn (429 D)
23 Jun 09 UTC
Interesting that you would read it that way, considering that the resolutions to the paradox is usually either

- the convoyed army moves but the dislodged fleet's support is not cut
OR
- the convoyed army just holds, and all other orders are carried out.

Neither of which matches your reading of the Adjudicator

I remember reading that in the software, paradoxes were resolved somehow, but I don't remember how.
jbalcorn (429 D)
23 Jun 09 UTC
Obviously, kestas is the VOA. :-)
kestasjk (64 DMod(P))
23 Jun 09 UTC
Thanks to Szykman it's pretty simple;
- Find the smallest chain of moves which cannot be resolved.
- This chain will either be a chain of moves (A move to B, B move to C, C move to A), or a convoy paradox.
- If it's a chain of moves, all units move.
- If not it's a convoy paradox; all moves in the chain fail (this is the Szykman method of handling convoy paradoxes).


There are alternative methods to Szykman that are still used, since some adjudicators have trouble finding the shortest possible paradox chain. Our adjudicator makes finding the shortest chain particularly easy, so Szykman is perfect (plus the DATC recommends it)

Maybe we'll get lucky and Kruijswijk will show up to clarify things / show where I'm wrong
lkruijsw (100 D)
23 Jun 09 UTC
Yes, I show up.

Little mistake, only the convoying armies fail. A moving fleet could succeed and dislodge a convoying fleet (dependent on the situation).

For really deep information, look in my article of the Pouch:

http://www.diplom.org/Zine/S2009M/Kruijswijk/DipMath_Chp1.htm

The Szykman rule can be formulated in different ways. Currently I prefer to say, that the convoying fleet(s) part of the paradox, fail to participate in the convoy, while other orders are adjudicated as normal (it is formulated that way in the article, but on in the DATC). As consequence of this failure, the convoying army will not move or cut support.

I prefer this, because as I explain in the article, the resolution (not the existence) of the convoying army is not part of the paradox.

For other resolutions, see section 4.A.2. of the DATC. In early times, the 1982 rules was preferred, because it was easier to implement. After I published the DATC, most new adjudicators use the Szykman rule (which is better if one does not consider the ease of implementation).

Regards,

Lucas
Razz (144 D)
24 Jun 09 UTC
So, in short, the convoy fails and the convoying fleet is dislodged. Oddly, I'd never actually encountered the situation in a game until yesterday.


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cteno4 (100 D)
24 Jun 09 UTC
CD Austria
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11247
Three supply centers, but with a friendly Italy and a guaranteed build in Budapest.

Please, for the sake of game balance, somebody take this over!
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jman777 (407 D)
24 Jun 09 UTC
Pirates, and jack Sparrow
open thread.
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bishopofRome (0 DX)
23 Jun 09 UTC
Live GAME?
I know there is one going on right now but if anyone wants to join the more the merrier. (however you spell it)
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idealist (680 D)
23 Jun 09 UTC
active, live game. one last time for me =(
hi all. i have been, and all you have been as well, disappointed lately by the progresses of live games. not only none were live, but all were blaming...
27 replies
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Nietzsche (0 DX)
23 Jun 09 UTC
live games...ugh
I just wanted a nice live game and we ended up accusing everyone of multi accounting....jesus, what has dip come to?
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idealist (680 D)
23 Jun 09 UTC
LIVE GAME NOW. 2 MORE SPOTS OPEN!
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11749
pw: abc
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Goose1x1x1 (100 D)
22 Jun 09 UTC
WTA vs PPS
It seems like alot of people dont like to play Winner take all games. But I find them to be truer to the spirit of diplomacy then Points per supply center. I was just wondering if I made a Low (30 point per person) point WTA game if anyone would be intrested
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alamothe (3367 D(B))
20 Jun 09 UTC
Fellow players
is there a serial killer among us??
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SirLoseALot (441 D)
23 Jun 09 UTC
Mod/Admin help http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11097
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11097

When will this delayed game start up? isn't there SOME maximum time? Paused by Admin, should startup by Admin
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Maniac (189 D(B))
23 Jun 09 UTC
Notice: I will not be pausing any game again...
So please do not ask!
8 replies
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The_Master_Warrior (10 D)
19 Jun 09 UTC
Noon Question
What will get you banned?
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djbent (2572 D(S))
23 Jun 09 UTC
firefox crashing?
i think i saw another post about this, but not sure. firefox has started to freeze everytime i visit phpdip now. i recently did the update for it, but it was working fine until today. anyone have insight?
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Friendly Sword (636 D)
22 Jun 09 UTC
If you had to be a superhero...
but didn't get any of their abilities or powers beyond the appearance, who would you be?

Three cheers for anyone who picks superman. :D
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mwalton (2561 D)
23 Jun 09 UTC
Moderator Intervention REQUIRED
This post fell off, so I am starting it again.
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groverloaf (1381 D)
23 Jun 09 UTC
Live game today?
If you are interested in a live game today, (10-15 min phases, 2 min builds/retreats), post here and we'll try to get enough players to make it happen.
54 replies
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airborne (154 D)
22 Jun 09 UTC
I'm wondering...
Inside
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stillwaterguitars (100 D)
23 Jun 09 UTC
New game! qwertyuiop
It was the quickest typing name I could think of. 50 to join, 24 hr turns, PPSC, let's go!
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Moosehunter (167 D)
23 Jun 09 UTC
Cancel or Unpause Please!
This game has been stuck since one of the players was uncovered as a multi. The remaining players have voted to unpause with the exception of 2 who haven't been on since April or May. Can you either unpause the game or just outright cancel it?

board.php?gameID=10428
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Ballack (2571 D)
23 Jun 09 UTC
Unpause please!
I asked already a few days ago without result. The game was paused since one former player was banned for multiaccounting, but in our game he was already defeated. So this did not affect us at all. Now the game is paused since one week---one player doesn't unpause---seems to be happy with this game being paused forever.
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idealist (680 D)
23 Jun 09 UTC
may i proposing logging off?
I noticed that if u close your browser and if u still have other tabs...ur dot is still on...and your allies will think u are ignoring them. =)
very clever, if doing on purpose...but very bad, if accidental.
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Submariner (111 D)
23 Jun 09 UTC
Tuesday Live Game?
Is there anybody out there who fancies a live game today?

I will post one when we get 5 players. The ideal would be 10 minute turns and 5 minute build / retreat phases I think.
46 replies
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jasoncollins (186 D)
23 Jun 09 UTC
School of War 2 - needs a mod to pause
Italy tried to initiate a pause before leaving for a few days, but actually he withdrew an earlier pause.. everyone else has voted for a pause apart from italy, which was the entire point :)
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Jamiet99uk (873 D)
23 Jun 09 UTC
WTA query
I know that in a WTA game, players who still have SCs at the end of the game get no points back.

However, in terms of your profile stats, does this count as "survived" or "defeated"?
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gjdip (1065 D)
22 Jun 09 UTC
This is a little bit scary
Is this what happens when England and Italy ally in Diplomacy: http://www.omodern.com/?

Maybe this is the reason we don't see more E/I alliances.
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kreilly89 (100 D)
23 Jun 09 UTC
Unpause request
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11244
This game has been paused for several days due to one person not logging on to the game after the game was paused due to a multi-accounter.
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laughomatic (100 D)
22 Jun 09 UTC
Do you choose your country?
What decides which country you are? Is it the server or the level of player you are?
12 replies
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airborne (154 D)
22 Jun 09 UTC
Is anyone willing?
To do a part of the coding of the 1900 map. Please! I'm twitching with addiction withdrawal from not playing Civ III and coding the map. AHH!
16 replies
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Erikson (100 D)
23 Jun 09 UTC
greek Fire
very fast game low pot go to http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11731
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