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RiffArt (1299 D)
15 Jul 08 UTC
Support Question
The rules on the site state that support can be given to HOLDING units.

However, normally I believe support can be given to any unit that DOESN'T MOVE. (see http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/resources/rulebooks/2000AH4th.pdf)

So if I order two units to support each other and one is attacked (and the attack is supported), what will happen? The site rules suggest that the attack will succeed (can't support a unit that wasn't holding), however normally it wouldn't do so.

Please help. (Soon).

Thanks in advance.
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Kent C. Tugood (483 D)
15 Jul 08 UTC
Spain Movement Question
In this game: http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=4222, last night I decided to move my Portugal Fleet to South Coast Spain, while moving the fleet at North Coast Spain to Portugal. At the time, I didn't think of it as a bounce since both fleets were not directly crossing movement, but it was interpreted by the adjudicator as bounces, which makes sense when I woke up this morning. I just want to make sure that it is actually a bounce.
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Shino (113 D)
15 Jul 08 UTC
New game called E3
come join me to celebrate e3 WOOT WOOT 50 pt kicker fee
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
15 Jul 08 UTC
Winner takes all game
Is anyone interested in a winner takes all game, pot of 60-120 points. If/When I have six names with emails either in profile or in the thread, I'll start a game and send joining links.
1 reply
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Iidhaegn (111 D)
15 Jul 08 UTC
Standard Format questions?
When you're looking at the chat screen on an individual game, is all the chat interaction supposed to show with or without scroll bars?
4 replies
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Pandora (100 D)
05 Jul 08 UTC
Pandora and Sicarius
we're going to quit for a bit, since we dont have reliable access to a computer, and we're both busy alot

we'll start again when we have more time

sorry for the cd

later boys
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Treefarn (6094 D)
14 Jul 08 UTC
Thoughts on draws in PPSC games
I was wondering what people's thoughts were on draws in PPSC games.
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Worldbeing (1063 D)
14 Jul 08 UTC
Worldbeing's Return
Hello again all!
I'm back, and raring to go. (Interesting word, raring- derives from a form of 'rear', presumably in the sense of a rearing horse... but anyway).
Could someone give me a brief overview of what improvements (if any) have been made since I was last around, which I think was shortly after the introduction of the points system?
I must admit, I was astounded to find I was still ranked well within the top 100...it seems the good only get better and the others don't rise...
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anlari (8640 D)
13 Jul 08 UTC
Warsaw Uprising
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_uprising

That caught me attention while I was in Poland - the way Stalin forced the Poles to rebel or be labelled as defeatists, then stopped his armies a few hundred meters away to let Germans crush them before moving in - Facing less of a defence in the city as well as preventing any future Polish resistance.. The bastard was a true diplomat.
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
14 Jul 08 UTC
Game thirty three and a third pis
Bet is thirty three and a third pi to the nearest integer(105). Winner takes all.
3 replies
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jpchewy01 (100 D)
14 Jul 08 UTC
Anyone Can Join
Join the game Anyone Can Join. bet is 5 points.
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q93 (373 D)
14 Jul 08 UTC
Slow interface
Anyone else having major problems with the site. I'm having a hell of a time getting orders in. As manay games as I'm playing this will take me the full 24 hours just to get my orders in.
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Cheleon (1153 D)
14 Jul 08 UTC
Draw request: Give Us Bubblewrap
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=4418

Posted by Italy.
The other players France, Germany and Russia will confirm.
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dearmore28 (527 D)
14 Jul 08 UTC
Pow Wow Draw Request
Kestas, Please draw this game Italy (pokemon trainer) should confirm shortly.
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flashman (2274 D(G))
10 Jul 08 UTC
Face to Face Diplomacy...
A little news...
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Vampiero (3525 D)
12 Jul 08 UTC
Duplicitous Tactics Draw
this is turkey asking for a draw.
soon france and russia should also post.
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fr1988 (100 D)
12 Jul 08 UTC
If YOU were accused of metagaming
Scenario: you put your time/efforts to play Diplomacy because you consider it rewarding and interesting. You disapprove metagaming, because in your opinion it comprimes the honesty/fun of the game (you believe everyone should start with same potential chances to win a game, then as game develops odds are going up or down).

In a particular game, you are playing Austria. You could have crashed Russia, but from previous games you learnt that, once Russia is gone, Turkey is a genie out of a box and the doom starts. So, instead of trying to destroy Russia, you let him stand as deterrent against Turkey.

Then Turkey accuses Russia and you of metagaming.

QUESTION: considering Turkey is an experienced player, at least according to his rank, what would YOU think?

a) Turkey is a smart, Machiavellian player. Using bogus complaints to move your focus away from the game. What a great player!

b) Turkey and Russia are up to something, and staging a fake disagreement. God saves me from allies, than I will take care of enemies :-)

c) Turkey is in immature player. He really believes what he says!

d) None of the above. Please enlighten me with your opinion!

In case this case falls in cluster "A", I will not add any additional message to the original ones. But I would love to know what you think about this.
MajorTom (4417 D)
12 Jul 08 UTC
I'd say this isn't a Friendly Game at all!
flashman (2274 D(G))
12 Jul 08 UTC
; )

You forgot the bit about Russia lying down and inviting a friendly neighbour to snatch SCs whilst Russia jokes about dying...

Machiavelian maybe, not a higher compliment could a Dip player be given.
Stevelers (3084 D(G))
12 Jul 08 UTC
I haven't seen the press, of course, but to me it just looks like Russia is a player new to Diplomacy. (The moves remind me of my questionable tactics, when I started out!) No disrespect to the Russian player, of course.
Hapahauli (135 D)
12 Jul 08 UTC
Well I actually am that russian player haha :D

I am relatively new to diplomacy, and the game went to hell for me at the outset. I really had no hopes of living for many more turns, and decided to have some fun as I went down...

...sooo then I ended up not dying, thanks to a kind offer, and here we stand: an accusation of metagaming by a Turkey player, who I initially thought was drunk while posting! Hell I don't know what metagaming is! =P
flashman (2274 D(G))
12 Jul 08 UTC
"and decided to have some fun as I went down..."

That is one way of looking at it...

Another is that it spoils the game and that is why I have been complaining and whingeing.
Hapahauli (135 D)
12 Jul 08 UTC
You do realise that we aren't in any other games together, and have quite the workloads of our own games to deal with...
Hapahauli (135 D)
12 Jul 08 UTC
I'm also not entirely sure if you remember the "fun" I had, which consisted of support moving Austria once, and posting "weeee!!! I'm Dead xD" on the global message board.

I'm sorry you did not share the enjoyment that I did =(
flashman (2274 D(G))
12 Jul 08 UTC
You did a very good impression of rolling over and surrendering to another player. That is not the way Diplomacy is supposed to be played.

Metagaming has a rather wide usage in here. It is often applied to situations where two or more players are making moves based on factors that lie outside the spirit of the game itself...

If though you were prepared to join a real alliance, such as one which was directed at the Evil Empire of Austria, then I could relent in my complaints and share the benefit of my vast experience...

aoe3rules (949 D)
12 Jul 08 UTC
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Tucobenedicto (100 D)
12 Jul 08 UTC
Yeah I agree with aoe3, I'd more than likely think it was a stupid player, as I've experienced something very similar from a player with the maturity level of a 12 year old.
flashman (2274 D(G))
12 Jul 08 UTC
Well, I look forward to playing you both then...

Even Russia admits to fooling around in this game and as he is the one being accused of, well, fooling around, I'd say it was an open and shut case. But then I'm only 12 (X 4.25)...

aoe3rules (949 D)
12 Jul 08 UTC
Tucobenedicto: remember that some players here actually ARE 12.
peterwiggin (15158 D)
13 Jul 08 UTC
There's nothing wrong with deciding to throw the game (or some centers) to some other power if you're going to be eliminated anways (or with committing yourself to making sure whoever caused your demise doesn't win). It's just part of the game, and can often be a very good deterrent (if you stab me, I'll make sure France solos!). There are a lot of articles out there on the joys of being a small power with nothing to lose but a lot of potential to influence the outcome . . .
fr1988 (100 D)
13 Jul 08 UTC
Thanks to everyone for sharing your opinion on the matter!

So, accusation has been downgraded from "metagaming" to unusual playing, and from that to "whatever you do is metagaming unless plays in Turkey's favour" :-). Well, if I had to apply the same criteria, I would have accused France of metagaming (he turned against me instead of taking over territories of a Germany in civil disorder... moves likely orchestrated in bed with Turkey) and more or less every other player who did not side with me. Some for a current game where Italy and Turkey are siding together even if it is evident they are both too big to fit in the same alliance, and Italy previously complained in the forum that he always gets backstabbed (the wolf pretending to be a sheep, perfect camouflage! :-).

My personal verdict about this is: congratulations to Turkey for a nice Sun-Ya-Tzen styled attack (can we call it "super-gaming" or "ante-gaming": using elements external to the strict game's strategies/tactics to turn the situation at one's advantage?) and even more congratulations to Russia for being strong/smart not to get bullyed by this.

To all metagamers: please join Turkey's games en masse :-). So he can feel what metagaming really is. If you are a real metagamer, his strategic accusation has no effect on your decisione - because, well, they are true!

It is a pleasure to sit at the table with so smart players, hopefully I'll manage to win some (in a few years time :-)
aoe3rules (949 D)
13 Jul 08 UTC
oh come on. you'll win some this decade. i promise :)
aoe3rules (949 D)
13 Jul 08 UTC
(eventually)
flashman (2274 D(G))
13 Jul 08 UTC
I see that I shall have to use my secret weapon here...
aoe3rules (949 D)
13 Jul 08 UTC
um, i was talking to fr1988.
flashman (2274 D(G))
13 Jul 08 UTC
But he was talking to me...
aoe3rules (949 D)
13 Jul 08 UTC
oh, okay.


wait, that means...
flashman (2274 D(G))
13 Jul 08 UTC
...I am the me he is talking to...
aoe3rules (949 D)
13 Jul 08 UTC
you lost me.


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alex_spro (284 D)
12 Jul 08 UTC
Question:
I am very new to this game, but from viewing the finished ones, it seems like Italy almost never wins? Also, it seems like Austria wins the most, followed by Turkey, Russia, England.
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Rait (10151 D(S))
13 Jul 08 UTC
Kestas, pleas look at this
In the game http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=4374&msgCountry=Germany

shouldn't the attack from STP to Barents Sea have failed by the rules?
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Treefarn (6094 D)
13 Jul 08 UTC
Disbands when in CD
I thought the rule for disbands for a country in CD was the farther away from home SCs. I am currently in a game where Austria is in CD. At the end of Autumn, he had 2 SCs at Trieste and Vienna. He had 3 armies in Galicia, Albania and Trieste. Trieste was disbanded. Why?
4 replies
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QuiSxu92 (110 D)
13 Jul 08 UTC
Build later orders
I have requested to build later, does the option to build in Autumn automatically ask me? if what do I need to do... thanks in advance
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lyriac (121 D)
13 Jul 08 UTC
a question from a newbie
the situation is like this:
I am playing france and i have an army in spain. i want to occupy portugal but this turn is sping 1902 in order to set portugal as a supply center does my army need to stay there for another turn? or my occupation in spring is just enaugh?
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aoe3rules (949 D)
12 Jul 08 UTC
Viva la Vida
has anyone heard the song "Viva la Vida"? i was just thinking about it and realized it we could write a great diplomacy-related parody of it; i've already got a few lines:

"I used to rule the word,
fleets would move when i gave the word.
Now in the morning i scheme alone,
scheme with guys i used to own..."

"...Be my puppet, my sword and shield,
My figurehead in a foreign field.
For some reason i can't explain,
since i joined, there was never,
never an honest word,
Even when i ruled the world."

also, maybe someone here who can sing could post it to Youtube. or they might record it at the FTF game in the UK.
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Sun_Tzu (2116 D)
13 Jul 08 UTC
Move should have worked.
In the game "New Trade" Russia had fleet GoB support Sweden to Baltic Sea and fleet Baltic Sea was supporting another move, but was unsupported. This should have displaced fleet Baltic Sea. But it didn't.
3 replies
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Mrlimmer (396 D)
13 Jul 08 UTC
The Magical Magic Game!
Join Now!
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anlari (8640 D)
12 Jul 08 UTC
Facebook
I was wondering the facebook usage density here - If we all add each other as friends it might make it easier to communicate considering many of us shy away from posting e-mails on public forums. I'm Anil Ari.
5 replies
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RogueMcGyver (455 D)
13 Jul 08 UTC
Convoy Disruption?
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=4265

Shouldn't my attack from GoB -> Baltic Sea stopped them from convoying an army to Livonia?

If not can someone explain to me why it did not?
3 replies
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KaaRoy (0 DX)
12 Jul 08 UTC
Just for Fun 1 - Low points game but the winner takes it all
As stated above... One winner, 6 losers.
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flashman (2274 D(G))
12 Jul 08 UTC
anlari, you're back!
Do you now how many ways I have tried to contact you?
28 replies
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jpchewy01 (100 D)
12 Jul 08 UTC
New game
Join Empires of Europe-2! the bet is 5 points.
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