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RiffArt (1299 D)
15 Jul 08 UTC
Support Question
The rules on the site state that support can be given to HOLDING units.

However, normally I believe support can be given to any unit that DOESN'T MOVE. (see http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/resources/rulebooks/2000AH4th.pdf)

So if I order two units to support each other and one is attacked (and the attack is supported), what will happen? The site rules suggest that the attack will succeed (can't support a unit that wasn't holding), however normally it wouldn't do so.

Please help. (Soon).

Thanks in advance.
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Kent C. Tugood (483 D)
15 Jul 08 UTC
Spain Movement Question
In this game: http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=4222, last night I decided to move my Portugal Fleet to South Coast Spain, while moving the fleet at North Coast Spain to Portugal. At the time, I didn't think of it as a bounce since both fleets were not directly crossing movement, but it was interpreted by the adjudicator as bounces, which makes sense when I woke up this morning. I just want to make sure that it is actually a bounce.
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Shino (113 D)
15 Jul 08 UTC
New game called E3
come join me to celebrate e3 WOOT WOOT 50 pt kicker fee
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
15 Jul 08 UTC
Winner takes all game
Is anyone interested in a winner takes all game, pot of 60-120 points. If/When I have six names with emails either in profile or in the thread, I'll start a game and send joining links.
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Iidhaegn (111 D)
15 Jul 08 UTC
Standard Format questions?
When you're looking at the chat screen on an individual game, is all the chat interaction supposed to show with or without scroll bars?
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Pandora (100 D)
05 Jul 08 UTC
Pandora and Sicarius
we're going to quit for a bit, since we dont have reliable access to a computer, and we're both busy alot

we'll start again when we have more time

sorry for the cd

later boys
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WhiteSammy (132 D)
12 Jul 08 UTC
hey ghost if you published a satirical book about the "benefits" of shoplifting I would totally buy it
WhiteSammy (132 D)
12 Jul 08 UTC
really i would
sean (3490 D(B))
13 Jul 08 UTC
pecks, you dont know anything. they are a bf and a gf living in the US.
Vampiero (3525 D)
13 Jul 08 UTC
ok, like i said, salem witch trials goin on.
i have a question relating to the previous debate though:

what if a shoplifter gets caught? the risk and result cannot be neglected when looking at the pro's and con's of the system. any sort of crime leads to time/money lost by being detaned, searched, fines, bail costs, and especially PRISON TIME.

are your rebellious ideals worth the risk you face(when your impact on the capitalist/communist system is enourmously small)??
i find that getting the best of the system is often easiest by using the system, following rules, and most importantly:
the line of least resistance.
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
13 Jul 08 UTC
My long satire did allude to the cost of detention, (unless I edited that out for not being close enough to the actual text)
canute (0 DX)
13 Jul 08 UTC
Let this subject drop thanks...
Its derailed and demented enough now, much like Mapleleafs capitalisation of the fact that neither Pandora or Sicarius are here to defend themselves.

Sadly, i have disagreed with all parties concerned at one point or another, but i have up until now held the belief we had all grown up since 3 or 4 months ago??

See: The post about plagiarism by Mapleleaf for more tragic drama:)
flashman (2274 D(G))
13 Jul 08 UTC
At my age, you get to grow down again..


Pandora (100 D)
13 Jul 08 UTC
ghost-

theres not really any way I can reply to that, that you would respond to
we have differing viewpoints, and I'm not sure I can change yours. I'm not always the best articulater of my thoughts, and I'm not really a huge fan of typing
flashman (2274 D(G))
13 Jul 08 UTC
A little education would enable you to express yourself more effectively, it is not all indoctrination and the like...
mapleleaf (0 DX)
13 Jul 08 UTC

canute fancies himself, "the voice of reason".

Oh, my side.
Tucobenedicto (100 D)
13 Jul 08 UTC
Ha. I burst a blood vessel from laughing so hard.
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
13 Jul 08 UTC
There is a way of replying to everything. When you are right, explaining why, and when you are wrong, so admitting. In terms of economic theory, you cannot be right as you stand for nothing, but against everything.
Jerkface (1626 D)
13 Jul 08 UTC
Who are you talking to, Ghostmaker? I can't think of anyone here who stands FOR nothing...
Chrispminis (916 D)
14 Jul 08 UTC
Hahaha. This is the greatest thread. It's absolutely useless guys. When Pandora first joined and first 'published' this plagiarized essay here, I attempted earnestly to engage her in a fair debate. It never worked out. She would dodge and skirt the issues and reply with sentimental and pathetic (as in pathos) monologues usually going along the lines of, "Oh, when's the last time any of you woke up to the song of birds, to the soft nest of moss around you, and have leapt at the opportunity of a new day! When's the last time any of you have breathed true salt air instead of your recirculated air conditioning?" Etc... Never real responses... no logic, just emotionally charged rhetorical questions...

Good luck to any of you interested in real answers. I don't think they have any... despite that they might claim that they can't be bothered to outline their case ('I hate typing'). If they do, I'd love to hear them, because if you would go to the trouble of outlining your views, you should be prepared to defend them rigorously or give them up.
WhiteSammy (132 D)
14 Jul 08 UTC
hey ghost just letting you know that i'd still buy that book
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
14 Jul 08 UTC
"Who are you talking to, Ghostmaker? I can't think of anyone here who stands FOR nothing..." Jerk, I am addressing Pandora, who dislikes all economic systems, presumably for their common denominator, people working...
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
14 Jul 08 UTC
Sammy, I really have very little endurance when writing on (what seems to be to be) a clear cut issue. I could only have written more to parody a longer article...
WhiteSammy (132 D)
14 Jul 08 UTC
then make it a pamphlet or something small
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
14 Jul 08 UTC
Look above then. An Essay of sorts...
Litral (100 D)
14 Jul 08 UTC
I open this topic, read the first post, look at who's posting the most, and find a certain contradiction.
canute (0 DX)
14 Jul 08 UTC
You are a pathetic parasite mapleleaf. Feeding off others so you can spread your hatred.

Get a life old man.


Really?
One would expect by now you may have a few more years answering telephone complaints about bad toiletries on a consumer hotline, but i would also have expected you to grow up...

Clearly not.
I even apologised in another thread to you, as i thought that Pandora and Sic were not around to defend themselves.
I now would love to take it back, but i don't do that:)
Pandora (100 D)
14 Jul 08 UTC
ghost-
I think the best economic system would be the really really free market, or the gift economy. it of course could not work on a global scale so other, larger changes would have to take place first

chris- sorry if I dont respond sufficiently, I'm an emotional person so it tends to show through a little bit. and I'm not going to make excuses, sometimes I just really dont feel like it.
if you would like to have an earnest debate email me
also, labond, sicarius would like to continue your debate, and he says he's sorry he cut it short and lost your email

jerkface- you think corporations promote happiness and fullfillment???
you must be very content then


mapleleaf- why must you always be so negative? does text on the internet really anger you so?
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
14 Jul 08 UTC
A genuinely free market has no regulations, and hence large business can expand further still, and that goes against precisely what you want. In a free market, capital breeds capital.

With regards to the gift economy, there is the significant problem with exploitation. Abusus non tollit usum, perhaps, but when the nature of humans goes against the theory (and note it is a social theory not an economic one), we can ignore it.

The free market does not solve your problems, and the gift economy is impracticable, so, as I said, you don't seem to stand so much as against.
Jerkface (1626 D)
15 Jul 08 UTC
Pandora,

Corporations are only what people put into them. The system we have now, which was created by people EVERY step of the way, is designed for no other reason than to promote happiness and fulfillment. Naturally, there are times when the intended result does not come but I do not believe that people are generally mean and out to get each other. At the center of every huge, inhuman, corporate structure is the concept, inspiration and dedication of one or more people. I find this to be beautiful.

It's nicer to look at people and their creations as they really are as a point of departure than to wish they behaved how you want them to. This is the folly of communism and the miracle of capitalism.
mapleleaf (0 DX)
15 Jul 08 UTC

Quick, Pandora.

Find another argument to copy and paste.
Fidobot (100 D)
15 Jul 08 UTC
What a long thread.
a_fuzzyduck (100 D)
15 Jul 08 UTC
wanking furiously atm
Fidobot (100 D)
15 Jul 08 UTC
Post when you reach the white light.
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
15 Jul 08 UTC
An interesting and somewhat related essay:


I, PENCIL

I am a lead pencil—the ordinary wooden pencil familiar to all boys and girls and adults who can read and write.

Writing is both my vocation and my avocation; that's all I do.

You may wonder why I should write a genealogy. Well, to begin with, my story is interesting. And, next, I am a mystery—more so than a tree or a sunset or even a flash of lightning. But, sadly, I am taken for granted by those who use me, as if I were a mere incident and without background. This supercilious attitude relegates me to the level of the commonplace. This is a species of the grievous error in which mankind cannot too long persist without peril. For, the wise G. K. Chesterton observed, "We are perishing for want of wonder, not for want of wonders."

I, Pencil, simple though I appear to be, merit your wonder and awe, a claim I shall attempt to prove. In fact, if you can understand me—no, that's too much to ask of anyone—if you can become aware of the miraculousness which I symbolize, you can help save the freedom mankind is so unhappily losing. I have a profound lesson to teach. And I can teach this lesson better than can an automobile or an airplane or a mechanical dishwasher because—well, because I am seemingly so simple.

Simple? Yet, not a single person on the face of this earth knows how to make me. This sounds fantastic, doesn't it? Especially when it is realized that there are about one and one-half billion of my kind produced in the U.S.A. each year.

Pick me up and look me over. What do you see? Not much meets the eye—there's some wood, lacquer, the printed labeling, graphite lead, a bit of metal, and an eraser.

Innumerable Antecedents
Just as you cannot trace your family tree back very far, so is it impossible for me to name and explain all my antecedents. But I would like to suggest enough of them to impress upon you the richness and complexity of my background.

My family tree begins with what in fact is a tree, a cedar of straight grain that grows in Northern California and Oregon. Now contemplate all the saws and trucks and rope and the countless other gear used in harvesting and carting the cedar logs to the railroad siding. Think of all the persons and the numberless skills that went into their fabrication: the mining of ore, the making of steel and its refinement into saws, axes, motors; the growing of hemp and bringing it through all the stages to heavy and strong rope; the logging camps with their beds and mess halls, the cookery and the raising of all the foods. Why, untold thousands of persons had a hand in every cup of coffee the loggers drink!

The logs are shipped to a mill in San Leandro, California. Can you imagine the individuals who make flat cars and rails and railroad engines and who construct and install the communication systems incidental thereto? These legions are among my antecedents.

Consider the millwork in San Leandro. The cedar logs are cut into small, pencil-length slats less than one-fourth of an inch in thickness. These are kiln dried and then tinted for the same reason women put rouge on their faces. People prefer that I look pretty, not a pallid white. The slats are waxed and kiln dried again. How many skills went into the making of the tint and the kilns, into supplying the heat, the light and power, the belts, motors, and all the other things a mill requires? Sweepers in the mill among my ancestors? Yes, and included are the men who poured the concrete for the dam of a Pacific Gas & Electric Company hydroplant which supplies the mill's power!

Don't overlook the ancestors present and distant who have a hand in transporting sixty carloads of slats across the nation.
RP.11
Once in the pencil factory—$4,000,000 in machinery and building, all capital accumulated by thrifty and saving parents of mine—each slat is given eight grooves by a complex machine, after which another machine lays leads in every other slat, applies glue, and places another slat atop—a lead sandwich, so to speak. Seven brothers and I are mechanically carved from this "wood-clinched" sandwich.

My "lead" itself—it contains no lead at all—is complex. The graphite is mined in Ceylon. Consider these miners and those who make their many tools and the makers of the paper sacks in which the graphite is shipped and those who make the string that ties the sacks and those who put them aboard ships and those who make the ships. Even the lighthouse keepers along the way assisted in my birth—and the harbor pilots.

The graphite is mixed with clay from Mississippi in which ammonium hydroxide is used in the refining process. Then wetting agents are added such as sulfonated tallow—animal fats chemically reacted with sulfuric acid. After passing through numerous machines, the mixture finally appears as endless extrusions—as from a sausage grinder-cut to size, dried, and baked for several hours at 1,850 degrees Fahrenheit. To increase their strength and smoothness the leads are then treated with a hot mixture which includes candelilla wax from Mexico, paraffin wax, and hydrogenated natural fats.

My cedar receives six coats of lacquer. Do you know all the ingredients of lacquer? Who would think that the growers of castor beans and the refiners of castor oil are a part of it? They are. Why, even the processes by which the lacquer is made a beautiful yellow involve the skills of more persons than one can enumerate!

Observe the labeling. That's a film formed by applying heat to carbon black mixed with resins. How do you make resins and what, pray, is carbon black?

My bit of metal—the ferrule—is brass. Think of all the persons who mine zinc and copper and those who have the skills to make shiny sheet brass from these products of nature. Those black rings on my ferrule are black nickel. What is black nickel and how is it applied? The complete story of why the center of my ferrule has no black nickel on it would take pages to explain.

Then there's my crowning glory, inelegantly referred to in the trade as "the plug," the part man uses to erase the errors he makes with me. An ingredient called "factice" is what does the erasing. It is a rubber-like product made by reacting rape-seed oil from the Dutch East Indies with sulfur chloride. Rubber, contrary to the common notion, is only for binding purposes. Then, too, there are numerous vulcanizing and accelerating agents. The pumice comes from Italy; and the pigment which gives "the plug" its color is cadmium sulfide.
RP.18
No One Knows
Does anyone wish to challenge my earlier assertion that no single person on the face of this earth knows how to make me?
RP.19
Actually, millions of human beings have had a hand in my creation, no one of whom even knows more than a very few of the others. Now, you may say that I go too far in relating the picker of a coffee berry in far off Brazil and food growers elsewhere to my creation; that this is an extreme position. I shall stand by my claim. There isn't a single person in all these millions, including the president of the pencil company, who contributes more than a tiny, infinitesimal bit of know-how. From the standpoint of know-how the only difference between the miner of graphite in Ceylon and the logger in Oregon is in the type of know-how. Neither the miner nor the logger can be dispensed with, any more than can the chemist at the factory or the worker in the oil field—paraffin being a by-product of petroleum.
RP.20
Here is an astounding fact: Neither the worker in the oil field nor the chemist nor the digger of graphite or clay nor any who mans or makes the ships or trains or trucks nor the one who runs the machine that does the knurling on my bit of metal nor the president of the company performs his singular task because he wants me. Each one wants me less, perhaps, than does a child in the first grade. Indeed, there are some among this vast multitude who never saw a pencil nor would they know how to use one. Their motivation is other than me. Perhaps it is something like this: Each of these millions sees that he can thus exchange his tiny know-how for the goods and services he needs or wants. I may or may not be among these items.

No Master Mind
There is a fact still more astounding: the absence of a master mind, of anyone dictating or forcibly directing these countless actions which bring me into being. No trace of such a person can be found. Instead, we find the Invisible Hand at work. This is the mystery to which I earlier referred.

It has been said that "only God can make a tree." Why do we agree with this? Isn't it because we realize that we ourselves could not make one? Indeed, can we even describe a tree? We cannot, except in superficial terms. We can say, for instance, that a certain molecular configuration manifests itself as a tree. But what mind is there among men that could even record, let alone direct, the constant changes in molecules that transpire in the life span of a tree? Such a feat is utterly unthinkable!

I, Pencil, am a complex combination of miracles: a tree, zinc, copper, graphite, and so on. But to these miracles which manifest themselves in Nature an even more extraordinary miracle has been added: the configuration of creative human energies—millions of tiny know-hows configurating naturally and spontaneously in response to human necessity and desire and in the absence of any human master-minding! Since only God can make a tree, I insist that only God could make me. Man can no more direct these millions of know-hows to bring me into being than he can put molecules together to create a tree.

The above is what I meant when writing, "If you can become aware of the miraculousness which I symbolize, you can help save the freedom mankind is so unhappily losing." For, if one is aware that these know-hows will naturally, yes, automatically, arrange themselves into creative and productive patterns in response to human necessity and demand—that is, in the absence of governmental or any other coercive masterminding—then one will possess an absolutely essential ingredient for freedom: a faith in free people. Freedom is impossible without this faith.

Once government has had a monopoly of a creative activity such, for instance, as the delivery of the mails, most individuals will believe that the mails could not be efficiently delivered by men acting freely. And here is the reason: Each one acknowledges that he himself doesn't know how to do all the things incident to mail delivery. He also recognizes that no other individual could do it. These assumptions are correct. No individual possesses enough know-how to perform a nation's mail delivery any more than any individual possesses enough know-how to make a pencil. Now, in the absence of faith in free people—in the unawareness that millions of tiny know-hows would naturally and miraculously form and cooperate to satisfy this necessity—the individual cannot help but reach the erroneous conclusion that mail can be delivered only by governmental "master-minding."

Testimony Galore
If I, Pencil, were the only item that could offer testimony on what men and women can accomplish when free to try, then those with little faith would have a fair case. However, there is testimony galore; it's all about us and on every hand. Mail delivery is exceedingly simple when compared, for instance, to the making of an automobile or a calculating machine or a grain combine or a milling machine or to tens of thousands of other things. Delivery? Why, in this area where men have been left free to try, they deliver the human voice around the world in less than one second; they deliver an event visually and in motion to any person's home when it is happening; they deliver 150 passengers from Seattle to Baltimore in less than four hours; they deliver gas from Texas to one's range or furnace in New York at unbelievably low rates and without subsidy; they deliver each four pounds of oil from the Persian Gulf to our Eastern Seaboard—halfway around the world—for less money than the government charges for delivering a one-ounce letter across the street!

The lesson I have to teach is this: Leave all creative energies uninhibited. Merely organize society to act in harmony with this lesson. Let society's legal apparatus remove all obstacles the best it can. Permit these creative know-hows freely to flow. Have faith that free men and women will respond to the Invisible Hand. This faith will be confirmed. I, Pencil, seemingly simple though I am, offer the miracle of my creation as testimony that this is a practical faith, as practical as the sun, the rain, a cedar tree, the good earth.

Leonard E Read


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Treefarn (6094 D)
14 Jul 08 UTC
Thoughts on draws in PPSC games
I was wondering what people's thoughts were on draws in PPSC games.
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Worldbeing (1063 D)
14 Jul 08 UTC
Worldbeing's Return
Hello again all!
I'm back, and raring to go. (Interesting word, raring- derives from a form of 'rear', presumably in the sense of a rearing horse... but anyway).
Could someone give me a brief overview of what improvements (if any) have been made since I was last around, which I think was shortly after the introduction of the points system?
I must admit, I was astounded to find I was still ranked well within the top 100...it seems the good only get better and the others don't rise...
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anlari (8640 D)
13 Jul 08 UTC
Warsaw Uprising
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_uprising

That caught me attention while I was in Poland - the way Stalin forced the Poles to rebel or be labelled as defeatists, then stopped his armies a few hundred meters away to let Germans crush them before moving in - Facing less of a defence in the city as well as preventing any future Polish resistance.. The bastard was a true diplomat.
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
14 Jul 08 UTC
Game thirty three and a third pis
Bet is thirty three and a third pi to the nearest integer(105). Winner takes all.
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jpchewy01 (100 D)
14 Jul 08 UTC
Anyone Can Join
Join the game Anyone Can Join. bet is 5 points.
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q93 (373 D)
14 Jul 08 UTC
Slow interface
Anyone else having major problems with the site. I'm having a hell of a time getting orders in. As manay games as I'm playing this will take me the full 24 hours just to get my orders in.
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Cheleon (1153 D)
14 Jul 08 UTC
Draw request: Give Us Bubblewrap
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=4418

Posted by Italy.
The other players France, Germany and Russia will confirm.
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dearmore28 (527 D)
14 Jul 08 UTC
Pow Wow Draw Request
Kestas, Please draw this game Italy (pokemon trainer) should confirm shortly.
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flashman (2274 D(G))
10 Jul 08 UTC
Face to Face Diplomacy...
A little news...
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Vampiero (3525 D)
12 Jul 08 UTC
Duplicitous Tactics Draw
this is turkey asking for a draw.
soon france and russia should also post.
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fr1988 (100 D)
12 Jul 08 UTC
If YOU were accused of metagaming
Scenario: you put your time/efforts to play Diplomacy because you consider it rewarding and interesting. You disapprove metagaming, because in your opinion it comprimes the honesty/fun of the game (you believe everyone should start with same potential chances to win a game, then as game develops odds are going up or down).

In a particular game, you are playing Austria. You could have crashed Russia, but from previous games you learnt that, once Russia is gone, Turkey is a genie out of a box and the doom starts. So, instead of trying to destroy Russia, you let him stand as deterrent against Turkey.

Then Turkey accuses Russia and you of metagaming.

QUESTION: considering Turkey is an experienced player, at least according to his rank, what would YOU think?

a) Turkey is a smart, Machiavellian player. Using bogus complaints to move your focus away from the game. What a great player!

b) Turkey and Russia are up to something, and staging a fake disagreement. God saves me from allies, than I will take care of enemies :-)

c) Turkey is in immature player. He really believes what he says!

d) None of the above. Please enlighten me with your opinion!

In case this case falls in cluster "A", I will not add any additional message to the original ones. But I would love to know what you think about this.
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alex_spro (284 D)
12 Jul 08 UTC
Question:
I am very new to this game, but from viewing the finished ones, it seems like Italy almost never wins? Also, it seems like Austria wins the most, followed by Turkey, Russia, England.
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Rait (10151 D(S))
13 Jul 08 UTC
Kestas, pleas look at this
In the game http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=4374&msgCountry=Germany

shouldn't the attack from STP to Barents Sea have failed by the rules?
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Treefarn (6094 D)
13 Jul 08 UTC
Disbands when in CD
I thought the rule for disbands for a country in CD was the farther away from home SCs. I am currently in a game where Austria is in CD. At the end of Autumn, he had 2 SCs at Trieste and Vienna. He had 3 armies in Galicia, Albania and Trieste. Trieste was disbanded. Why?
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QuiSxu92 (110 D)
13 Jul 08 UTC
Build later orders
I have requested to build later, does the option to build in Autumn automatically ask me? if what do I need to do... thanks in advance
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lyriac (121 D)
13 Jul 08 UTC
a question from a newbie
the situation is like this:
I am playing france and i have an army in spain. i want to occupy portugal but this turn is sping 1902 in order to set portugal as a supply center does my army need to stay there for another turn? or my occupation in spring is just enaugh?
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aoe3rules (949 D)
12 Jul 08 UTC
Viva la Vida
has anyone heard the song "Viva la Vida"? i was just thinking about it and realized it we could write a great diplomacy-related parody of it; i've already got a few lines:

"I used to rule the word,
fleets would move when i gave the word.
Now in the morning i scheme alone,
scheme with guys i used to own..."

"...Be my puppet, my sword and shield,
My figurehead in a foreign field.
For some reason i can't explain,
since i joined, there was never,
never an honest word,
Even when i ruled the world."

also, maybe someone here who can sing could post it to Youtube. or they might record it at the FTF game in the UK.
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Sun_Tzu (2116 D)
13 Jul 08 UTC
Move should have worked.
In the game "New Trade" Russia had fleet GoB support Sweden to Baltic Sea and fleet Baltic Sea was supporting another move, but was unsupported. This should have displaced fleet Baltic Sea. But it didn't.
3 replies
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Mrlimmer (396 D)
13 Jul 08 UTC
The Magical Magic Game!
Join Now!
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anlari (8640 D)
12 Jul 08 UTC
Facebook
I was wondering the facebook usage density here - If we all add each other as friends it might make it easier to communicate considering many of us shy away from posting e-mails on public forums. I'm Anil Ari.
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RogueMcGyver (455 D)
13 Jul 08 UTC
Convoy Disruption?
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=4265

Shouldn't my attack from GoB -> Baltic Sea stopped them from convoying an army to Livonia?

If not can someone explain to me why it did not?
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KaaRoy (0 DX)
12 Jul 08 UTC
Just for Fun 1 - Low points game but the winner takes it all
As stated above... One winner, 6 losers.
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flashman (2274 D(G))
12 Jul 08 UTC
anlari, you're back!
Do you now how many ways I have tried to contact you?
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jpchewy01 (100 D)
12 Jul 08 UTC
New game
Join Empires of Europe-2! the bet is 5 points.
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