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Otto Von Bismark (653 D)
02 May 07 UTC
Medieval Total War Inviites You...
The Great Otto Von Bismark wishes to invite all thrill seekers to a game of high stakes, war and espionage. In a non-passworded deathmatch between the worlds greatest powers.
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isbian (106 D)
01 May 07 UTC
New Game
The game Europe: Total War was created. Another one of my games whose name has something to do with a computer game. Please join, but if you're gonna quit directly after, don't join.
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AntoniusRex (1136 D)
01 May 07 UTC
New Game - Sertorius
A new game has just been created. It's a password-free game, though I'd appreciate you'd refrain from signing in if you're planning to leave your country in civil disorder. Regulars are welcome.
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happyhappyjoyjoy (100 D)
30 Apr 07 UTC
Question
Should England EVER give up the North sea voluntarily
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krokodil (823 D)
01 May 07 UTC
Your Country?
How is it determined which Country you take control of. Is it random or to do with the order you join the game or what?
Thanks.
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Writhdar (949 D(S))
01 May 07 UTC
Adjudication issues - being able to see all phase orders
this has come up several times before but so have innumerable comments about adjudication errors, etc. If a player could see what the other players ordered, many of these "error questions" would disappear.

Can the "Gamemaster" function be modidied so that one could cycle (e.g., hitting the tab key) through all the orders?
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rogé (100 D)
01 May 07 UTC
New game
ok ive now created another world war2 game with no password
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Joffre (696 D)
28 Apr 07 UTC
Two suggestions about this site.
First, let me say this is already a great job. I love this site, and I have been playing for a couple of months here.
I am proposing the following, and I am also proposing to help implement those thinks if this can help (I am a software engineer):
- Use a standard discussion forum tool where there could be several forums and sub-forums as well as a search feature and so on.
- Build a stat page that would display several statistics about the games and players.

Thanks again, and keep up the good job !
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grotto (15 D)
30 Apr 07 UTC
something wrong!!!
what the heck happened?
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=791
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figlesquidge (2131 D)
30 Apr 07 UTC
Goodbye!
I will be leaving diplomacy after the end of all my current games, which I will play out. The main reason for this is that I often have weekends away and, to put it bluntly, my friends don't help when they say they will. For example, over the last weekend I've been away, and so I asked a good friend to look after my account (he plays diplomacy as well although is reluctant to join games on here due to exams). However, despite him promising to look after my account (I even sent him an email with the exact set of moves to hold a particular stalemate [game 333 Awsomeness Game]). However, since he did not send these moves, I have been unable to hold my position. Therefore, my chances of victory in all my games have gone, and so the value of games to me is null.
Those are the reasons for my leaving, and if ever it is added to allow for different turn lengths (eg: 2days,weekly), please do email me, and I will return.
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EricHerboso (836 D)
27 Apr 07 UTC
Giving Builds Away
One of my neighboring countries was attacked today, and was left in a shambles, though was still capable of mounting some defense. I offered this country my assistance, in return for ceding a territory to me. In response, I was told: "Not here to win..I am giving my builds away". Meaning, I took it, that (s)he was actively giving away territories for the benefit of another without any benefit in return. Below I am putting the response I sent, verbatim. I do hope that some few others of you will respond to this, either to join my opinion on this practice, or to defend the person who sent me this message.

"I've heard a lot of stupid comments from a lot of different Diplomacy players, but I must say that this is the single most provocative statement I've had anyone type to me.

"If you're not here to win, why play? What is the point, other than to ruin the experience for other players? The only possible conclusion I can come to is that you are participating in meta-playing rather than actual playing of the game; you help others in games where you do not hope to win in order to build or influence alliances in separate games. If this is true, it is the most shocking and abhorrent admission I've heard another Diplomacy player make. Such behavior is banned from tournament play, and could easily get you kicked out. And as for casual play, it does nothing but ruin an otherwise perfectly enjoyable game.

"Of course, there is also the slight possibility that you are playing according to different diplomat personalities--role-playing, if you will. In which case you must be currently playing the insane diplomat who gives away the keys to his country for nothing in return. At least there, I may be able to understand the concept of you giving builds away, but only in that you are actively playing with a completely different goal in mind, which is completely against the spirit of the game.

"I have no desire to affect the outcome of games outside this one, so I will not be using your name in public, but I do plan to bring up this issue on the message board, to see who else agrees with me that this sort of play is unsportsmanlike. You may admit to it there if you like, but in the interests of not creating an undue meta-game effect, I suggest you do not."

So I ask everyone else: what do you think? Shouldn't meta-playing be frowned upon? Shouldn't every player play by the rules of the game, one of which being that the intent should be to win, or at least to do as well as possible in each given game? Keep in mind that I'm not talking about a situation where a country has a single SC left; I mean a situation where one actively engages in losing one's own SCs for another when they could easily mount an effective defense against invasion--in this circumstance, the country had 5 SCs left. I'm really curious as to others' opinions on this.
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rogé (100 D)
30 Apr 07 UTC
World War 2
starting a world war 2 game for people in St d's same password as allways
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Poyple (76 D)
30 Apr 07 UTC
Games not updating.
Anyone know why this is?

People finalised their orders at about 30 minutes to go. Now the stage end is 'due now' but it still hasn't updated. Does it take some time to do it even after the 24 hour limit?

Game is called OTF3 if that helps.
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Druadan (100 D)
27 Apr 07 UTC
Stuck Game?
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=915

The game linked above is overdue for its unit placement phase completion. Every had finalised many hours before the end of phase, but the phase carried on, running down the 24 hour time. Now it's overdue by a couple of hours and reads "End of phase: due now"
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kestasjk (64 DMod(P))
27 Apr 07 UTC
*Danger* New locking scheme
I think recent errors can be traced back to problems with MyISAM REPEATABLE READ transaction mode and the way it takes a snapshot and confusingly reads SELECT statements from the snapshot but reads SELECT ... LOCK IN SHARE MODE from the latest version and not the snapshot.

It's changed to READ COMMITTED, which will hopefully mean that SELECT statements always get the latest thing and not a snapshot.
This may make things more stable and root out that elusive recurring bug, but more likely knowing my experience with locking it'll wreck the whole database. I've taken a backup, let me know if you see anything strange.
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Alfa (1308 D)
25 Apr 07 UTC
How many of you have played diplomacy in person?
I'm curious to see how many have played diplomacy in person, through the mail, through an email system, and how many first started playing on phpDiplomacy. I'll admit, I learned how to play by reading the rules on Wikipedia, reading some basic strategies, and then played my first game on here. Until we get phpBB implementation so we can do a proper poll, just post on where you fit in. I'm interested to see how players were exposed to Diplomacy and by what methods they've played it.
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djinegypt (276 D)
28 Apr 07 UTC
andistestgame - Turkey doesn't have appropriate amount of units
I took over civil disorder turkey who, though had 4 production centers, only had two units, it still only has two units, I'm new to the game but shouldn't it have 4? I don't know who I should contact for help.
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isbian (106 D)
28 Apr 07 UTC
New Game
The game "Blue Shift" was created. Please join. It's another one of my games whose name has something to do with a computer game. So if you play Half Life, this is the game for you! If you don't, join anyway.
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Gissett75 (746 D)
28 Apr 07 UTC
new game
join war war war
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fastspawn (1625 D)
28 Apr 07 UTC
Another piece of demographics - hot/or not
In the spirit of demographic hunting and compiling into a scorecard which i can sell to the highest bidder, i am instituting the most important question. Are you hot/ or not?

I, for one, stop bloody traffic.
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Maximule (37 D)
28 Apr 07 UTC
New open Game WW I 2.0
I have formed a new open no password game thought i would post this here to tell people about it
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The Mahatma (1195 D)
28 Apr 07 UTC
Game hanging
Our game "Kid A" is stuck. All the orders are finalized but it is not processing them.
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The Mahatma (1195 D)
27 Apr 07 UTC
Demographics/User Profile
Could the User Profile be changed to allow users to display where they are located? This would answer peoples' curiosity and could also help in-game because one might be able to somewhat predict when other players tend to log on.
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fastspawn (1625 D)
27 Apr 07 UTC
I notice there is a game with chinese characters.
How do you do that? The game is zhan zheng by the way.
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Smokodanko (618 D)
27 Apr 07 UTC
400 Finished Games
400! I remember it was a little under 200 when I signed up, and there had to have been at least 50 games finished in the last week.

Well done, you've certainly got a great site Kestasjk!
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Rait (10151 D(S))
24 Apr 07 UTC
Limit in joining games??
Have I missed something? Has there been set some kind of new rule that restricts You joining more than 5 games at the same time???

When joining new game, I was told:

You are already playing in 5 or more games, please focus on the games you are already in instead of joining new ones; playing badly in many games instead of concentrating on a few ruins the game for the other players, and defeats the whole object of Diplomacy.

Why is that? Why 5? I'm not about to join 50 new games at the moment, but I'm also not able to join passworded game where I was personally invited! And this is due to the reason that I have alredy!? 7 ongoing games??

I don't like when it's said that I would be 'playing badly in many games'. This sounds pretty much like 'labeling'. I don't think that I paid less attention to my games when I played 25 games at the same time few months ago when I had more time. I think it also shows in my record.

I'm not against emphasizing people taking less games when they are not up to it & preventing people joining too many games just to achieve some kind of 'level', but I'm certainty against someone making choices before me & telling me, how many games I'm able! to play. Especially when I'm invited to passworded game which should be more/less out of the problem range connected to the multiple games.

... can anyone explain what's going on?
dangermouse (5551 D)
24 Apr 07 UTC
I'm not sure about joining games, but there has always (months at least) been a cap on the ability to create a new game if you are already playing in a large number. I don't know that that number is 5 though.
Rait (10151 D(S))
24 Apr 07 UTC
I haven't joined in many games (lets say 2-3 at most + created 3 new games) during the last few months due to the time restrictions but during joining/creating those games I had definately more than 10 ongoing games. As there haven't been any problems since, I haven't paid also any attention since. So it must be some kind of new thing (at least the limit 5).
kestasjk (64 DMod(P))
24 Apr 07 UTC
5 was probably too small, I'll increase it to 10. I do think that there has to be a limit on the number of games that can be played, or else people join more games than they can handle, and drop into civil disorder constantly or play poorly giving their neighbors an advantage.

With the new scoring system there will also be a limit on games, but it will be more flexible, because as you get more points you will be able to "buy" into more games (i.e. put a stake down for more games). If you then go into civil disorder or don't do well you quickly lose your points and so can't join as many games again, so I think that'll work much better than a hard limit of 5 or 10.
Rait (10151 D(S))
24 Apr 07 UTC
I propose that this limit wouldn't apply for passworded games as in these games the players are in 95% invited personally & it should be up to those inviters to make sure that they invite only players who are trustworthy...
dangermouse (5551 D)
24 Apr 07 UTC
That's an excellent plan kestas.

Well, I just created a new game (the 7th I am currently in) in between writing my last comment and seeing kestas's response. Ran into no problems, but then with the change to 10 games I wouldn't have expected one.
figlesquidge (2131 D)
24 Apr 07 UTC
I second Rait's idea - it wouldn't be hard to implement, and would be much better.
Noodlebug (1812 D)
25 Apr 07 UTC
5 is way too small, especially for "fast gamers." I seem to have naturally settled at around the 10 game mark.

I trust this doesn't include games in which you have been eliminated? And I'm lucky in that I am currently still competitive in all but 1 of my games - normally I would expect a worse ratio than that of "dead games" that I can't win, couldn't care less about, and I'm only putting in orders out of duty (and because with 1 or 2 units, it doesn't take too much thought!). If I had a lot of "dead games" I would want to make more live ones.
Locke (1846 D)
25 Apr 07 UTC
hmmm, i think that the new 'buy in' system is a good one, but i was in about 25 games at the same time at one point and found that i was competitive in almost all of them.

i have found that i have become much more lazy whilst 'scaling back' to the 10 game level, sometimes almost giving up in games i realise i cannot win. So the point i am trying to make is that it is possible for players with time on their hands to keep up with many games, and that the pressure to keep up with orders is actually more stimulating than having loads of time to consider each piece movement.
Alfa (1308 D)
25 Apr 07 UTC
Doesn't this encourage the use of multiple profiles now? There are some people that just gotta have their fix... (although I do agree with the intentions that it leads to better playing. And a better social life in the real world. Hence why I don't join many games at once.)
aoe3rules (949 D)
26 Apr 07 UTC
I second kestas and Rait.
figlesquidge (2131 D)
26 Apr 07 UTC
Well, at the end of the day, there is never going to be a perfect solution. A limit on games will stop players being in far too many, and for many people the hassle of changing accounts or the moral reasons not to will stop them having multiple accounts. However, I don't think the scoring will stop people having many games, because actually, if you are an average player, and you play with the good players, you will end up with bad figures, even if you could easily beat many lesser players.
Chrispminis (916 D)
26 Apr 07 UTC
I second aoe, aka, I second kestas and Rait.

Anyways, I've always been an advocate of less games at one time, but I never expected a hard limit. Of course it doesn't affect me in anyway, because I've never had more than 5 games ongoing.

I want to hear more from speed players, before forming a consensus.

Remember that this game isn't a full-time job. :P
aoe3rules (949 D)
26 Apr 07 UTC
yeah, i'm in twenty games, and i have up to six hours every day to play. right now i'm sitting here waiting for games. i put my full effort into all of my games and i respond to all of my messages, etc. i wasn't going to join any more games anyway, and i think ten is a very good limit.
Rait (10151 D(S))
26 Apr 07 UTC
The thing is, that people got their reasons - I could be handicapped person locked in my room having time to play 24 hours minus sleeping & eating; I could be smart addicted kid (not that I would advocate something like this) who really wants to play his new favourate game; I could be security guy or whatever guard who has the most boring job in the world & nothing else to do than saying 'hello' to people & playing Diplomacy; I could be IT person sitting behind my computer 24h a day etc. etc.

The point is that people have different time limits, motives & obviously different adeptness/capability to play Diplomacy & it shouldn't be limited with that kind of hard restrictions how many games one could play at the same time.
figlesquidge (2131 D)
26 Apr 07 UTC
Are you insulting security guards?
How about linking the number of games you can join to the number of games you have completed. IE: You can join 5 when you first finish, but then for every game you finish you can join another game in the future, up to a maximum of say 15. This way, new players would not be able to join so many games, and so the ones who could join many would be the players who have been around long enough to know what they can cope with...
kestasjk (64 DMod(P))
26 Apr 07 UTC
Rait; I want to be able to split people like you describe who have lots of time for phpDip and so can do well in lots of games from people who join games but don't try their best and often lose.

I can see the argument that it's unfair to restrict how many games people play, but I think it's more unfair to players who want quality games but are against the same people very often, who just go into civil disorder and give a random player an advantage.
Writhdar (949 D(S))
27 Apr 07 UTC
kestas,

I think directly punishing or evicting people who go into civil disorder would affect those who are actually breaking our community's "rules". (Rather than trying to indirectly deal with the issue by a game number limit.) As I suggested other times, there should be a mechanism to allow legitimate excuses.

Rait's last comments on game number certainly changed my perspective on people who play a lot of games - I think we should be more tolerant.
Huey79 (2345 D)
27 Apr 07 UTC
I like figles idea of the amount of games a person is able to play is based is a certain level of experience or already completed games. I average playing in 15-20 games at a time and cant wait til my next move in all of them. I try to be as competitive as I can and have pulled out a win 1 out of every 4 attempts. I would hope there wouldnt be a limit on the amount of games I can play. I'm comfortable where I'm at.
Rait (10151 D(S))
27 Apr 07 UTC
To figlesquidge: didn't want to insult anyone, I'm sorry if it looked like that.
Smokodanko (618 D)
27 Apr 07 UTC
400! I remember it was a little under 200 when I signed up, and there had to have been at least 50 games finished in the last week.

Well done, you've certainly got a great site Kestasjk!
Smokodanko (618 D)
27 Apr 07 UTC
Whoops, posted it in the wrong topic. <.<

Anywas, I can't view the finished games, there is a fatal error in the code.
Smokodanko (618 D)
27 Apr 07 UTC
400! I remember it was a little under 200 when I signed up, and there had to have been at least 50 games finished in the last week.

Well done, you've certainly got a great site Kestasjk!
Smokodanko (618 D)
27 Apr 07 UTC
God Damnit! What's with this thing, won't let me make my own thread..


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Segamu (100 D)
27 Apr 07 UTC
Balkan Hell
Hey y'all! The name's Jake, and I'm starting a new game called Balkan Hell. Join up!
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glink33 (100 D)
26 Apr 07 UTC
New Game
Hey, I'm kinda new to this, so I just wanted to start a game for beginners to kind of get used to playing it online. The game is titled "Game for Beginners", e-mail me for the password, the first seven people get positions.
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Noodlebug (1812 D)
26 Apr 07 UTC
A nice balanced record
At this moment in time, I have 7 wins on phpdiplomacy, one with each country.

Can I get some sort of prize?

Unfortunately my 8th win is imminent, so by the time you read this it's probably out of date!
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hiimme333html (100 D)
27 Apr 07 UTC
AAAAAAAAAAA!
i just built three units, but none of them show up on the map! in the orders, it lets me set commands, but the map is blank!
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