I'm so... sad... leon.... can't...hide...my...sadnesss... goodbye.

is the a banning for patronizing people ???

can't deal with the rules, so you quit? it's the stronger character that stays leon

So, you're quitting because you can't refrain from personal attacks on others? Because from what I understand, that's the only restriction. If that's your problem with the rules, then I think we'll be ok without you and we can enjoy great dialog with the many others that remain and share your views, but who are capable of delivering them without personal attacks.

@Leon: I am sorry to see you go. Stick to your beliefs and don't waver from them. I may choose to leave as well once I finish my games and the mafia game.

I wish you the best and good luck.

Literally just popped in but man, Leon, if you leave first, you let them win. Don't. Let. Them. Win.

For what its worth leon you are a smart young lad. I never agreed with you on anything and I was always attacking your age as a way to dismiss your points.

Team California Merc has lost its soul.

So for all that I apologize and good luck to you. Perhaps you will be in politics someday who knows. I wont vote for ya but itd be amusing.

Just logged back in to say that the dot next to my name is persisting even though I logged out on all of my devices. Don't get the wrong impression from that. I've read your PM, ND and thank you for your encouragement. Once again, adieu.

Unsurprisingly I diisagree that description of recent decisions made by those who run this site. I tried to leave myself, and am now glad that request was refused. Clearly we are still allowed to express a wide range of opinions etc, the changes mean we just have to be CAREFUL in HOW we do that. I will have to be more careful, but I accept that.

Good riddance.

May I disagree with that comment from Jamiet99uk ? I would encourage Leon to stay.

Or if you decide to leave, Leon, then I express a genuine wish that you "have good times ahead" & bon chance. Gratuitous insults don't help us right now.

Dummy spitting kids - whodathunkit?

don't let the door hit you on the way out... or the way back in when you inevitably return due to your lack of discipline and self control.

What happened?

Also, Jamiet and DO, this type of thing really is not good for the site. I think that it is a mistake just to brush it off. Leon is not the first person to make this decision by any stretch of the imagination.

The new forum rules are already working !

Anyone that can't agree on not doing personal attacks or hate speech in the forum isn't a loss for the site. I never interacted with Leon so it's not personal

Firstly.

Freedom of expression or speech is not being infringed. You can create any website, and advocate your beliefs there to your hearts content. That doesn't mean anyone has to visit your page.

You are protected (in the US by the constitution) from government interference. That does not mean webdiplomacy has to facilitate your opinions.

So get over your self proclaimed right to speech.

Secondly.

Your views may be contrary to the liberal, democratic, equality which are fundamental to our society. And those can not be tolerated.

Good to see you go.

@Orthaic
Our society is grounded in individual human freedom and personal liberity with justice for all. I hope that those are the values that you speak of.

The green dot is persisting because he's reading these comments guys. This is all part of an elaborate social experiment. XD

@ civwarbuff, the society that you write about, one grounded in (founded on) individual freedom and personal liberty with Justice for all.... is that the WebDiplomacy site or the USA ? Enjoy the freedoms of which you write in "main street USA". Please don't confuse the WebDiplomacy site with Nation States in the real world. To use an analogy, visiting WebDiplomacy is like visiting a private property owned by Kestas & Zultar, and they get to decide things like who is welcome and who is not, they have the right to refuse entry, they have the right to expel visitors who do not meet the standards of behaviour they insist upon. Anyone who "asks to be a member" at WebDiplomacy is "entering into a contractual arrangement" with the site owners. If you don't like the conditions of a contract, don't enter into that contract. Don't agree to a contractual agreement, then refuse to comply with some of the conditions of that contract.

@MajorMitchell
Of course, I get that. I was just responding to Orthaic's quip at the end of his comment.

Bigots are prejudiced against people they don't know based on false assumptions.

People who have a long history of posting on the forum have given others plenty of clues about their beliefs and opinions, trolls be damned.

Your decision.

MM is back...

Oh for ghugs sake!
Cut it out.

You know damn well you'll be back and this is just some way to express that you don't like that the mods are moderating. All this is doing is giving a place for your lackies to praise you and for your opponents to call you out. It's pointless. If it's impossible for you to be a part of the forum without slandering someone personally, or going to rhetorical extremes then that's on you.

I've been able to express deviant opinions on this forum that have been deconstructed by liberals and conservatives and because we don't get into deep rhetorical and offensive banter we can have intelligent conversation about the topics.

In his defense, changing hormones can lead the youngs to fits of brief misguided passions. He'll be back, and no one will think less of him. Let's go play some diplomacy erbody!!!!!!

*Oh for ghugs sake!

i like that; instead of the F-bomb we can substitute Chug's name. For the S-bomb i would suggest 'condensation'.

Well they didn't actually let me leave in the way I foolishly requested General Lee. I do rather like the cut of your jib, for an army chap you do have it furled up in a most seaman like fashion.

Whereas that wascally Capt Brad has his jib sail, sorry, spinnaker flappin' about for all to see.

Apologies civwarbuf, too much wind about my mizzen sail.

@civwarbuff you said
"Our society is grounded in individual human freedom and personal liberity with justice for all. I hope that those are the values that you speak of."

That's a nice idea. It does sound a tad libertarian to me.

What is the difference between individual human freedom and personal liberty?

Can a family discipline their child? And what age do children become independent?

Does a corporate entity have rights? Can it be seen as a person deserving freedom?

Can a state built upon these ideals execute it's citizens without trial for being deemed 'potential threats' to state power?

Does justice for all mean certain minorities will be harassed and gunned down by police to the point where they as a whole no longer trust or use police for protection?

Western Liberal Society is a lot of things, but ideal it is not.

"What is the difference between individual human freedom and personal liberty?"

individual human freedom allows you to do anything you want, except when it interferes with someone's personal liberty. personal liberties are secured by the gov't.

"Can a family discipline their child? And what age do children become independent?"

yes; depends on a combination of social norms and legal standings. In America it's considered to be 18.

"Does a corporate entity have rights? Can it be seen as a person deserving freedom?"

A 'corporate entity' is just people who own stuff together, though at different rates of ownership. of course those people's rights don't just disappear because they own something together.

"Can a state built upon these ideals execute it's citizens without trial for being deemed 'potential threats' to state power?"

the state SHOULDN'T be able to (my opinion) but currently they can

"Does justice for all mean certain minorities will be harassed and gunned down by police to the point where they as a whole no longer trust or use police for protection?"

that in no ways is justice for all and you damn well know it.

"Western Liberal Society is a lot of things, but ideal it is not."

agreed