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ERAUfan97 (549 D)
29 Jul 14 UTC
i am....
shocked
http://webdiplomacy.net/profile.php?userID=10847
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ezra willis (305 D)
28 Jul 14 UTC
I'm bored
Got any bad ideas?
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THELEGION (0 DX)
27 Jul 14 UTC
Can I advertise my group youtube channel on here
We do let's plays and we also stream on twitch.tv
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THELEGION (0 DX)
28 Jul 14 UTC
logic ruins
Want me to ruin a childhood classic for you guys?
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eturnage (500 D(B))
18 Jul 14 UTC
#moothappens
Is anyone from here going to Weasel Moot VIII? I heard a rumor two guys from Toronto are going to the Cubs game.
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
26 Jul 14 UTC
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Small Site Improvement
Thank you A_Tin_Can for writing the code for this member requested change. Ladies and Gentlemen, more space between the ready and save buttons!
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
28 Jul 14 UTC
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Fun Stories
For some reasons, whenever I have funny stories to share, I only do it on webdip.
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
28 Jul 14 UTC
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Leaving after all games are finished
Just wanted to let everyone know I'll be leaving webdip after all my ongoing games are finished. Some already know, but I wanted to put it out there so everyone knows the reason I am not participating in Mafia or live games any longer.
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ILN (100 D)
28 Jul 14 UTC
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YOUR IMMEDIATE ATTENTION WANTED
I'm leaving webdip too!

Can someone please look at me? Anyone? P-p-please..........
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Maniac (189 D(B))
28 Jul 14 UTC
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So long and thanks for the fish...
Goodbye
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semck83 (229 D(B))
28 Jul 14 UTC
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Good physics interview
I suspect the following interview with eminent cosmologist George Ellis (coauthor with Stephen Hawking of "The Large-Scale Structure of Spacetime") is so good that it will be enjoyed even by those who suspect I am linking it only because of his religious views.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/2014/07/22/physicist-george-ellis-knocks-physicists-for-knocking-philosophy-free-will/
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ghug (5068 D(B))
27 Jul 14 UTC
I go away for one weekend...
What the hell happened, guys? Is Draug actually gone, or is he just "gone" like usual? Do I need to pretend to miss Fasces? Did we lose anyone else? Is it all 2WL's fault?
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denis (864 D)
28 Jul 14 UTC
The New York School: A New Full Press Anon 2 day game
Looking for Players PM me for the password. 60 point buy in.
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semck83 (229 D(B))
27 Jul 14 UTC
So, this is really stupid (unless I misunderstand)
Please correct me if I'm wrong: Fasces just got banned for "revealing" a feature of a freely downloadable free software package.
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Balrog (219 D)
28 Jul 14 UTC
Looking for reliable players for a WTA, low buy in Gunboat game
Interested players please post here with preferred phase time and buy in amount.

1. Balrog 36h, 20 D
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
27 Jul 14 UTC
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A Farewell To Draugnar
This is meant as a farewell to one of my oldest friends on the site. In the over 5 years we knew each other, we played in many games together (when he managed to get above 0 D) and got in countless arguments. He had many flaws and was the single biggest headache to deal with out of anyone while I was a mod, but he will be missed.
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Maniac (189 D(B))
28 Jul 14 UTC
Maniac's 2nd Ruling
As you may know I know act as a Court of Appeal. Judgment follows.
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
27 Jul 14 UTC
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Reduced sentence because of large contribution.
I won't pretend that I thought of this out of nowhere, I won't even pretend to be able to objectively judge the situation, but I want to mention an option and a potential policy change that could be better for everyone. It's a compromise. In Draugnar's case, I propose taking his medal and/or keeping him banned for a few months or perhaps even a year as a sentence, but letting him come back after that. He's not like blankflag. He contributed in many ways.
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Crazy Anglican (1067 D)
27 Jul 14 UTC
A retrospective on the forum
I was looking back at very old threads and found this from figlesquidge.
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
27 Jul 14 UTC
Establishing a rule of law for the Webdiplomacy forum
See inside
Fasces349 (0 DX)
27 Jul 14 UTC
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My posts last night come off as pretty anti-Mod, however my biggest complaint, which I want to make clear, isn't that Krellin was silenced or Draug banned (on some level they both deserved what they got), its the ambiguity of the reasons behind it.

For any civilized society to function (on some levels every forum is a society), a clear and consistent rule of law is required. As it currently stands, forum moderation on Webdiplomacy lacks the clarity needed for a functional rule of law.

Currently the forum is loosely modded, as it should be. I've been on many sites where political dialogue is impossible because Mods go too far in enforcing rules, and often is the case that threads are locked if discussions got too heated, and certain beliefs are silenced for fear of offending others.

In this respect webdiplomacy's forum is superior to most on the web; where the mods only loosely moderate the forum and let the community get away with a lot, mostly in the name of free speech.

However the area where webdiplomacy falls short of many forums is the lack of official rules behind moderation. Here on webdiplomacy, mods silence people who cross a line, as they should. However, here on webdiplomacy, often is the case that there is no clarity behind where that line is, and where it was crossed. The forum moderators therefore have to make the very touch choices on their own discretion, which will frequently lead to unfair rulings.

Something that would help both the mods and those in the forum community is establishing a rule of law; ie what can get you silenced (or banned) and for how long said silencing would last. This would help go a long way to making the forum a better place, and it would also make it a lot harder to criticize the actions of the mods.

My first suggestion is to update the sites rulebook, as currently it lists the only rules in forum moderation as “[Sharing] information on a private / anonymous / gunboat game, or threads about suspected multi-accounters / meta-gamers / bugs.”, neither of which were actions committed by either Draugnar or Krellin, making it very easy to argue that Krellin and Draug didn’t deserve to be banned/silenced, on account that they didn’t break any rules.

My second suggestion is to list the lengths of silences when you committ something, making it so that mods don’t arbitrarily decide the lenghts of silencing:
Ie. How did President Eden come up with the 30 day silencing for Krellin? Is it an arbitrary number made up by him, made up by the entire mod team after consulting eachother, or predetermined based on an (unknown) set of rules.

Overall my suggestion would be to update the set of rules so that they include the rules, definitions for those rules and the punishment for breaking those rules:

Example:
Circumventing a silence
Allowing an already silenced user to circumvent his silence by communicating through you (eg. copy and pasting a pm of his onto the forum).
1st offence: warning
2nd: 24 hour silence
3rd: 72 hour silence
4th: 1 month
5th: Permanent silence and/or possible site ban

Thoughts?
Jamiet99uk (873 D)
27 Jul 14 UTC
@ Fasces: "My first suggestion is to update the sites rulebook, as currently it lists the only rules in forum moderation as “[Sharing] information on a private / anonymous / gunboat game, or threads about suspected multi-accounters / meta-gamers / bugs.”, neither of which were actions committed by either Draugnar or Krellin, making it very easy to argue that Krellin and Draug didn’t deserve to be banned/silenced, on account that they didn’t break any rules."

You're mistaken. Rule 7 clearly states that spamming the forum is not allowed. Draugnar spammed the forum and was silenced. At least in the case of his silencing, there was a clear rule breach.
pangloss (363 D)
27 Jul 14 UTC
We could also establish a demerit point system. Each offence gives you X number of demerit points, and at a certain threshold you're banned. If we also put a time limit on the demerit points (i.e. one year following the issuance of one set of demerit points they get wiped off) we could allow more flexibility for users who can be abrasive at times and pleasant at others.

Ultimately, though, I don't think it matters what kind of rules or guidelines the mods or we as a community set up. The power of rules comes from their enforcement, but forum moderation is a subjective endeavour; we will always question every moderator decision. I posted in the thread about Draugnar's banning that establishing clear guidelines is a futile task, and my view has not changed.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
27 Jul 14 UTC
"You're mistaken. Rule 7 clearly states that spamming the forum is not allowed. Draugnar spammed the forum and was silenced. At least in the case of his silencing, there was a clear rule breach."
My appologies, you are correct that was a direct rule breach and I forgot about that, the Krellin one still stands (trolling and harassing)
Jamiet99uk (873 D)
27 Jul 14 UTC
Ok, fair enough.
KingGuru (105 D)
27 Jul 14 UTC
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Having been a forum moderator, which is a tough and thankless job, I think the mods should just rule as they see fit. There are rules and they moderate them. We can say and bitch as we please, but I am for more leniency for the mods rather than those whom they moderate.
Why build into the system the anticipation that people will be multiple offenders? Why take five offenses before a ban? The mods should exact appropriate discipline for an offense, taking into account any priors. If the first offense merits banning, do it. If it's a minor offense, then lesser discipline is appropriate.
President Eden (2750 D)
27 Jul 14 UTC
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The length of krellin's silence wasn't arbitrarily determined, and we should admittedly have posted the scaling silence lengths already, so without further adieu:

1st offense: 48 hr silence
2nd offense: 1 month silence
3rd offense: 3 month silence
4th offense: 12 month silence
5th offense*: permanent silence

Each step in the scale is accompanied by significant** conversation between the mod team and the offending user to make clear that they are stepping over the line; with the exception of spamming (which is both in the rules and relatively unambiguous) there's enough of a grey area to necessitate talking to the user in question first and telling them to stop what they're doing.

*: Might be subject to revision downward, but honestly if someone gets silenced for a cumulative total of 16 months and is still causing a bunch of trouble then it's difficult to imagine another step.
**: I know "significant" is vague but suffice to say that no one should be left without the impression, after these conversations, that they're going over-the-line.
DuffMcWhalen (0 DX)
27 Jul 14 UTC
Wow, this is nerdy. Coming up with different levels of offense! It's like the minutes of the United States Sentencing Commission!
Sevyas (973 D)
27 Jul 14 UTC
A single rule would be enouh for the entire forum:
Use common sense and think before hitting "post reply"!
tell me more about how cool you are, duff
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
27 Jul 14 UTC
Hey Fasces, if you'd read my posts in the Draugnar thread you'd have noticed that I said the rules were being added to the rulebook within the week. Thanks for the thought though.

Krellin was also silenced in part for his multiple cheating accusations on both the forum and pm, which is a clear violation of the rule 4.

While we appreciate members concerns on all matters, it is threads like this, where people assume to know all the details, that cause more problems then they fix and therefore if you cannot respect our request (in the first post of the Draugnar thread) for you to bring your concerns to the mods via the mod email before bringing them to the forum you will not get a further reply from us here.
Tru Ninja (1016 D(S))
27 Jul 14 UTC
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I like Draug. Sure he's got a mouth, and I've been on the receiving end of his acid tongue more than once (mostly in game after a stab). I do have to agree with mod decisions, though.

I've been on this site for more than 5 years. This is the worst it's been on the forum. Period. I see a lot of people do and say a lot of really offensive things. Multi-accounting I can deal with. Some of the stuff going on lately is down right ridiculous.

I think that each moderator/admin has a boiling point, and Draugnar repeatedly pushed that to the limit trashing them openly for years. It's not like his actions were a one-time event. For each person, especially those with power to silence and ban, there's a point where you say 'enough is enough, I've dealt with crap for a long time.'

For you who have been here less than a year, this sort of thing has really hit a boiling point. I don't really care if the officiating group on this site puts more rules on the table or not. Those who play here are adults (mostly) and should have the ability to refrain from crossing these types of lines. Most people that have been on the site for a long time play and behave cordially with one another in an appropriate manner and are nowhere near near being banned.

I say each person should check their own behavior and move on. This is by far the best place on the internet to play Diplomacy. The level of competition is great, the site is very user-friendly and the people here are (for the most part) tremendous. I think we have everything in place if those that are causing problems would simply ease up, be humane and enjoy the FREE site we have before us.
Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
27 Jul 14 UTC
I believe they're working on a comprehensive codex at the moment, so that request will be answered.

Having moderated and administrated a much more unruly (yes, really) and larger community on another website during a period where it went from almost no moderation to a reasonable level of moderation on the forum I can say that it's not easy for the mods either. Both sides have to be patient and make compromises, and expect a few teething issues. Well defined rules make good guidelines, but can also force undue leniency onto clear trolls, as The Hanged Man said. So a combination of both well-written rules and good guidelines for punishments is necessary.
Fasces is banned now? What is this, the never ending story?
Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
27 Jul 14 UTC
Revealing admin-tool functionality, ban for all former mods?

As I understand it he was never a moderator of WebDip, only VDip. So I'm not sure how he'd even know that's a rule. A polite pm would have been a lot better, surely.

Particularly as banning him just draws attention to what he revealed, too.
The Nothing Approaches
ssorenn (0 DX)
27 Jul 14 UTC
This shit has to stop
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
27 Jul 14 UTC
There is a webdiplomacy moderator rulebook. The most important rule is the one every moderator and admin on webdiplomacy and vdiplomacy is told within minutes of their first training.

"Abuse of Power

As a Mod, you will have substantially more power than the average user. Abuse of this power will result in the revoking of Mod status and a likely banning. Examples of abuses of power include, but are not limited to:

- Using Mod powers in your own games.

- Giving Members or yourself points without justification.

- Using your Mod status to collect personal information on Members for your own use.

- Revealing Mod secrets or otherwise compromising the site."

Due to his violation of this offense Fasces has been banned from this site, and may end up penalized or removed on vDiplomacy should Oli feel his offense hurt their site as well.

-WebDip Admin
Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
27 Jul 14 UTC
Which is still exceedingly brutal for one post.
SantaClausowitz (360 D)
27 Jul 14 UTC
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sounds kind of rinky dink
pangloss (363 D)
27 Jul 14 UTC
Can we see the offending post?
Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
27 Jul 14 UTC
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Drawing attention to said post probably wouldn't be very sensible.

An admin ability to delete individual posts would be really neat and allow situations like this and other relatively minor stuff to be cleaned up a lot better.
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
27 Jul 14 UTC
@pangloss, no, it has been deleted through the database.
Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
27 Jul 14 UTC
Oh, well, if a post can be deleted then I do think a strong warning would suffice here...
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
27 Jul 14 UTC
Posts cannot be deleted, this was a royal pain in the ass to delete, and potentially could have resulted in multiple other forum messages being deleted with no way to get them back. Deleting via the database is extremely risky and only done in the most extreme situations.
captainmeme (1723 DMod)
27 Jul 14 UTC
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Speaking as a vDip Admin, I fully support this ban. It's disgraceful for one of our former admins to deliberately break any rule, and in this case even more so since he was doing so to try to get penalised, so he fully knew the severity of his infraction.

He won't be penalised directly on vDip for this, as this occurred on this site and it's best to keep the two separate, but he will not be considered for a moderator position again there.
Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
27 Jul 14 UTC
I reiterate my point about that being a very useful feature to be built then :P
NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
27 Jul 14 UTC
What did faeces do?

DuffMcWhalen (0 DX)
27 Jul 14 UTC
"tell me more about how cool you are, duff"

Hit close to home, didn't it? The EU doesn't have as much boring bureaucratic shit as that post contained.

Art thou wroth?
Jamiet99uk (873 D)
27 Jul 14 UTC
@ NigeeBaby: "What did faeces [sic] do?"

Seems it was "revealing Mod secrets" Nigee. Probably something about where to buy the best Chelsea boots, or a link to a deleted scene from 'Quadrophenia'...
VillageIdiot (7813 D)
27 Jul 14 UTC
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As somebody who's been part of this site for just a year and change, this current activity really is coming across pretty off-putting. "Free speech" is not the same as right to act like a prick. As much as i enjoyed Draug's quirky personality, he blatantly crossed a line as did Fasces349. Using dicky behaviour to defend dicky behaviour just because you like some people or they've been around for along time or because they served in the military or because they donated money is not the way to win favour to your causes, it detracts away from it.

Look, it's a tough gig being a mod and they have to make crappy tough decisions sometimes but it's really coming across like people are trying to gang up and bully somebody to get what they want regardless of weather it's really the right thing.

I know i'm too new here to have any influence and i know "Haha, anything a village idiot supports is obviously wrong side of a cause" but going to speak up anyways. The amount of obnoxious behaviour here the last couple days has gotten ridiculous. You can disagree with people and still treat them with respect.
semck83 (229 D(B))
28 Jul 14 UTC
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From JMO:

"Posts cannot be deleted, this was a royal pain in the ass to delete, and potentially could have resulted in multiple other forum messages being deleted with no way to get them back. Deleting via the database is extremely risky and only done in the most extreme situations."

I certainly hope JMO is going to be banned for posting this in blatant violation of his agreement not to reveal anything about the mod tools. One might argue that he hasn't hurt anything, but that's really not true: first, by saying what mods can't do, he has helped better delineate what they CAN do, since their total powers must be drawn from finite resources (connection info, the info in the database, etc.). Second, this information would obviously encourage people to post damaging things on the forum, knowing that it was hard to delete.

In any event, the impact doesn't matter. When JMO became a mod, he agreed not to reveal the extent of the mod tools, and he just violated that. There should be no leniencey for such blatant violations of clear agreements.
It is a far better thing i do today than I have ever done before
It is a far better place I go to than I have ever known
shit I always put "before" in that quote.
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
28 Jul 14 UTC
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Not a mod tool semck, it's database usage. Something only Kestas and I have, has nothing to do with the mod team. Now I kindly request that you listen to the site owner's request that you email him all additional concerns you have on this issue.
dyager_nh (619 D)
28 Jul 14 UTC
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I still stand by my belief that two forums would fix alot of the issues.
One which is intended for diplomacy related topics which is heavily regulated. Second one which is not moderated in any manner. The Draugs and Krellins can hang in one, say what they want, bitch and threaten people...whatever. You hang in that forum your accept that.
ssorenn (0 DX)
28 Jul 14 UTC
dyager_nh+1000
dyager_nh (619 D)
28 Jul 14 UTC
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I stand by the mods/owners decisions as its their site. I just think two forums would make their life easier.
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
28 Jul 14 UTC
Perhaps you missed the post by one of the Co-Site Owners on this topic, so I will re post it here.

"I think a lot has happened this weekend and I think everyone should calm down and step away for a bit. It's a gaming site and this is a forum, not the secret headquarter for deciding all things important in life. We are working on the rules and we will get them out as quickly as possible.

In regards to Fasces, the evidence was presented to the mod team, to the Vdip mod team, to me as well as to Oli. Both teams and the site owners agreed that it was completely unacceptable. Captainmeme, an admin there, supported Fasces's ban here. I am not sure what else is needed. I think anyone who thinks that there needs to be a trial, evidence presented, falsification test to be done, and so forth is operating under a serious misconception of how internet sites work (and the mods should be spending their time moderating games and making sure they run smoothly).

Fasces agreed to a set of rules when he joined the mod team. He broke them. He was banned under said rules, agreed and accepted by both mod teams and site owners. Pretty straightforward to me.

I would appreciate any further concerns be emailed or PMed to me." -Zultar
FineRedMist (108 D)
28 Jul 14 UTC
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Dyager_nh: what possible motivation would the site owners have for setting up an off-topic message board that has the declared purpose of being a cesspool for dumping the shit that most users don't want to have to wade through? Isn't that what 4chan is for? Is there something stopping people from being horrible elsewhere?


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xxharryxx (100 D)
28 Jul 14 UTC
A Game for Beginners
I would like to start a game for new and inexperienced players. I myself do not have much experience and I am still fairly new to this site. I am looking for reliable players who will not abandon or leave the game simply because they're losing. If you are interested, here is the game#: gameID=145096
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eureka84 (125 D)
28 Jul 14 UTC
Newbie question
How does one find a beginner game on this site, looking to play my first game of Diplomacy. Thanks
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
27 Jul 14 UTC
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Question and answer
I have been undercover in the Maniac cult for sometime and am willing to answer any questions regarding the cult and its rituals.
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stupidfighter (253 D)
27 Jul 14 UTC
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Webdip League of Legends
Didn't seem fair to hijack the Doda 2 thread to talk about a competitor game.

I play LoL, but I'm a newb, just hit level 20. Screenname is Redwardian. Been playing quite a bit this week, as several free champions appeal to me.
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
26 Jul 14 UTC
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Draugnar's Banning
Please see inside for more details on the ban and on ongoing forum moderation.
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Maniac (189 D(B))
27 Jul 14 UTC
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A farewell to fasces
Will the last guy standing please turn the lights out?
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
27 Jul 14 UTC
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On the topic of recent forum developments
As above, below
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
27 Jul 14 UTC
The Webdip Dota 2 team
As above, below
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ILN (100 D)
27 Jul 14 UTC
CC Lemon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHFr1_md3Ok"

Discuss
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pjmansfield99 (100 D)
22 Jul 14 UTC
UK Webdip Face to Face
So spinning off from Abge's thread. Its been raised before but what are chances of a UK f2f? I think theres enough of us on here. Im Leeds based but spend a lot of time in London and willing to travel all over.

Ive got decent contacts for venues in a couple of cities if we can raise the interest. Thoughts below....
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