Thucy, krellin has been pretty clear that he doesn't actually want YJ to be quiet. Why, then, would he want this debate? Neither outcome is something he desires.

I am unbiased lol. I don't know much about either of you two :P

@YJ "Thinking about what emotions are really going through krellin's mind when he insists he's "laughing his ass off." "

That would be "smug superiority" as I relish in my continuing victories over you. and delighted humor as I continue to mock you.

@semck: true, true. What he does want, though is to "win" (whatever that means). I think I see the flaw in my logic here when proposing this debate. I thought there would be more than enough incentive, if "winning" is his goal. But again, that's dealing with a normal person. In happy kitten land, krellin has already declared himself winner, so why would he risk that?

It's pretty hard to continue maintaining one's illusion of victory (as above) when you've just lost a formal challenge with clear rules spelled out. Remember how he broke down on election night? That's what happens when happy kitten land crash lands into reality.

You can not lose what you do not accept. The very premise of you "challenge" was your own defeat: YOU are afraid of havign discussions on various topics. Oh sure...you wanted an *off-site* "debate" on three topics, after which one person would be banished - i.e. no more discussion. What a coward you are.

I, on the other hand, relish the opportunity to pick apart you feeble arguments on a vast and continuous array of topics on a continuous basis in front of everyone.

You want hide from on-going debate. You openly admit you won't reply to my discussions.

Therefore, I have won before we even start, both in principle and in practice, by your own words and intent.

hey krellin, would you like to make an election prediction for 2016?

And...while I know you think it somehow an insult to refer to "happy kitten land”, it is not.

As background for others, my family frequently fosters litters of abandoned kittens for the local government animal shelter. Somehow the deranged mind of YJ see’s this act of charity and kindness towards animals as negative and chooses to attack it…it ought to tell you something about the character of YJ…

I'll make that prediciotn YJ! Two people with the best odds of winning will run: one from each party. But it won't matter which one wins, we will still be totally fucked.

Oh, and YJ, he lost nothing because your original post said he could make modifications and those would be discussed. He has offered modifications to your terms. You refuse to discuss them. That means *you* lose and he wins by default. He followed your rules. He said "lets modify the terms" when you offered to do just that. Epic. Fucking. Fail. <grin>

May I tack on to your prediction, Draugnar? The Republicans will chose some pasty fat cock who obviously cares more for special interests than the country at large. The Democrats will choose an ineffective platform that can never make it through the litany of Teabaggers ready to oppose it tooth and nail. And we, as the citizens, will wonder yet again why we only have to parties to choose from.

And just to be clear, you have actually violated the rules of this debate from the start...

"Below I have laid out some tentative parameters. If any are unacceptable to the opposition I would cheerfully negotiate modifications."

He found some unacceptable but you have been anything except "cheerful" or even willing to "negotiate modifications".

Now, murray... I intentionally was completyely unbiased in my prediciton. Why did you have to go and bring politics into it and make nasty implications about any one the Republican party picks? I could have just as easily said the Dummycrats will pick some fucking treehugger who claims to know more about science and has invented something that was around when he was still in high school, but I didn't go there. Why the fuck you gotta be that way?

Draugnar, I guess I let my bias show...I'm liberal--very liberal, but I'm a big fan of the "Team America" addage: Republicans are assholes, but the Democrats are pussies. I'm a liberal, but I'm definitely not a Democrat; hence my lament of our ridiculous two-party system.

Also, you're welcome for the extra "d" in "adage." I did it for you.

@Draug - I do not believe that your basic premise on the modifications are correct. You are correct that YJ said

"Below I have laid out some tentative parameters. If any are unacceptable to the opposition I would cheerfully negotiate modifications."

He then laid out complete parameters for the debate. Three topics, three moderators, off site, etc. It was very detailed and, IMO, rationally complete.

In response to this, Krellin said

If you want to debate, chase me obsessively around the forums, as you already do like some mental pervert, and answer me point for point there.

The term modify is almost always used in the sense that you are making minor changes to something. Krellin's proposal is not a minor change at all, but a wholesale trashing of one idea and replacing it with another.

Therefore, I do not believe that Krellin has actually offered up a modification of the above mentioned debate and, therefore, you cannot declare him the winner by default.

Who won?

thank you jimgov, for stating the obvious to a man who shouldn't need it. krellin's offer for "modification" was merely an invitation for me and him to continue going as we had been, with no changes, no stakes, no rules, and no real debate.

haha nigee krellin won. You can ask him yourself.

but really, draugnar. Let's move past all that. I really will extend krellin an olive branch. If he's not willing to have a formal debate, I'd truly like to put our animosity behind us. Can you find a post like the one CF was looking for?

@jim - Krellin presented alternatives to the paramters. He found them objectionable. Admittedly, it wasn't what YJ intended or expected for the modifications, but they were modifications. Those being "no three topics, no outside the forum locale, no judges, no one going away for a year". Basically, all the parameters were objected to. But they were modifications. Modify does not imply minor at all. That would be *minor* mdodifications. As a developer, I often make major modifications, sometimes completely throwing out entire routines, classes, or sub projects fromt he solution and starting over. We still call it modifying the system.

@YJ - I have neither the time nor inclination to waste it. Sorry. Getting ready to head home for the weekend and enjoy my Easter holiday.

Actually - and more to the point - I didn't offer to modify anything, I simply rejected the offer out of hand as childish and stupid.

I don't agree with the principle of limiting discussions, and then ending access to discussions. If YJ isn't man enough to stick around when I am here, he may leave, but I sure as hell will not have my future actions dictate, for good or ill, by the likes of YJ - who openly confesses that he refuses to engage in conversation with me...and then commands me to debate him.

That the likes of jimgov, Thucy and other YJ minions fall for such foolishness tells you a little about their intellectual integrity and mental capacity for logic.

Thus, I will continue to mock them and insult them...as they are worthy of little else than my disdain. Clearly their true capacity to debate is lacking, as they can not even follow simple logical progressions. It's a wonder they can even log on to their accounts without assistance...Perhaps someone should clear their cache and auto-logins and see if they don't disappear forever; but then we would lose the fun of repeatedly humiliating them.

that's all fine, draugnar, but you must agree in essence it was an invitation to change absolutely nothing from the norm, right? It's just an invitation to participate in another rant-fest that will devolve into a shitstorm, just like every other "debate" with krellin.

Arguing the definition of modification with jim doesn't change that.

"I'd truly like to put our animosity behind us"
Hey looks like I've missed something here .... animosity, when did all that start?
All I saw was a couple of anonymous forum posters calling each other names and swearing a bit ... I thought that's what trolls did all the time, shouted at each other on-line.
You can usually tell if things have turned nasty when people start typing with the caps lock on, that can be messy. Thank the Lord we haven't got emoticons !!

Oh, I agree the modifications were to "maintain the status quo". But you didn't put a limit on how much could be modified. KRellin cause it rejection. I call it modification into elimination.

Actually YJ, I did not offer to go on as we have. Again...your reading comprehension leave *much* to be desired. To go on as we have would mean you being an intellectual midget and a coward, coming on the threads to throw in sults, refusing to engage in discussion, and then running off to create "hey krellin" threads.

What I have offered, you blithering idiot, is that you MAN UP and actually have a discussion with me in the various threads as they occur on various topics, just like every other member of this community.

You can continue to twist in the wind and *lie* openly, even as you contradict yourself - but anyone with integrity that has read your open confessions about your behavior, and has read my desire to openly have discussion with you, knows that you are truly a fraud and an intellectual coward, YJ.

Krellin calls it...

Peace!

Nah, who am I kidding? This is fun!

Draugnar, you truly are a master at saying things that are true while evading the point entirely. You can call it whatever you want. That's semantics.

But the effect is that he is unwilling to change the format of our discussion, yes?