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THELEGION (0 DX)
02 Aug 14 UTC
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PET
If you could have 1 mythical creature as a pet who or what would it be?
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Mountstuart (100 D)
30 Jul 14 UTC
F2F in Pacific Northwest
Anyone playing F2F in Oregon or Washington?
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ghug (5068 D(B))
03 Aug 14 UTC
Google+ Game
So, some amount of time ago there was a public press game conducted over G+. I wasn't involved, but it sounded really fun, so I'd like to try to organize another one sometime in the next week. Consumption of copious amounts of alcohol is highly encouraged but not required. Post below with interest and we can work on trying to schedule it.
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
03 Aug 14 UTC
Any interest in cheat free live games next Thursday or Friday night?
This is something that the mods have done in the past where we pick a night to actively patrol live games so that people can feel comfortable joining up. Is there any interest? Also, if there was strong interest for another night, we can do that instead.
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cardcollector (1270 D)
03 Aug 14 UTC
Favorite Dish
Okay, so after admitting that I like fruits a lot, and veggies a lot... I realize something I've been saying for a long time. I just plain out like food. I love meats, veggies, fruits, grains, dairy, etc. (Been trying to lighten up on sweets though. Lost my taste for that a while ago.)

So what's your favorite dish? Single dish, don't get too complicated with side dishes that can be a dish on its own.
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stranskizzle (324 D)
03 Aug 14 UTC
live anon-24
just wanted to disclose that three of us in this game know each other - we aren't near each other nor will we disclose what country we are. we just needed a public game because it is hard to get 7 to play a live game otherwise.
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ILN (100 D)
03 Aug 14 UTC
Wikipedia Game
It's surprisingly fun........
http://thewikigame.com/speed-race
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
03 Aug 14 UTC
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2nd solo
just got my second solo. just happy. thats all.
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
03 Aug 14 UTC
Favorite Pizza Toppings
So I see all these "Favorite" threads and I felt like joining in.
My favorite combination is Mushroom/Onion/ Peppers
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Gamoosa (100 D)
03 Aug 14 UTC
Anyone up for a live game?
Just checking if anyone is interested in a live game right now
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
03 Aug 14 UTC
Climate Fun
http://boingboing.net/2014/07/31/watch-sen-whitehouse-a-badas.html

This guy just shouts President to me, just look at his name...
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FineRedMist (108 D)
03 Aug 14 UTC
Notes
I'm assuming that the Notes tab is visible only to me, but I obviously want to be sure before using it. :-)
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
03 Aug 14 UTC
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What is your favourite variety of potato?
I like Kerr's Pinks. They make really nice mash.
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
03 Aug 14 UTC
What is your favorite vegetable?
My favorite is undoubtedly okra, followed by spinach, and also onion.

Vegetable here is being defined broadly. Basically plant food that isn't very sweet, and isn't a staple grain, is what I have in mind.
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kestasjk (95 DMod(P))
02 Aug 14 UTC
Abortion ethics
A tragic case in the news at the moment, I'm interested what people think about it:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-28619390
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dirge (768 D(B))
02 Aug 14 UTC
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Satanists making the most out of Hobby Lobby
Just thought this was interesting. Anyone care to discuss?
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semck83 (229 D(B))
02 Aug 14 UTC
Logic game
Play if you dare! (NOTE: I have deliberately not analyzed carefully whether the game is sound).
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dD_ShockTrooper (1199 D)
26 Jul 14 UTC
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Quality of the forum
There's been a lot of "heated" discussion about the quality of the moderation on this site, but I believe the quality of the users and their posts are more questionable. This thread aims to restore the integrity of the site by handling important topics in a constructive and polite manner.
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
02 Aug 14 UTC
Message from a mod my response, the reason and accepting a punishment
So... I told you all I was going to work, then I come back to this.
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Putin33 (111 D)
03 Aug 14 UTC
George's injury and international basketball
Is this the end of NBA players playing for FIBA?

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24646843/after-paul-georges-injury-what-happens-to-the-pacers
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JamesYanik (548 D)
03 Aug 14 UTC
2 more world game
gameID=145015
1 day left
all messaging
Points per supply center
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Putin33 (111 D)
02 Aug 14 UTC
Crisis in Karabakh
http://www.eurasianet.org/node/69321

While the world is focused else, the South Caucasus is heating up.
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semck83 (229 D(B))
31 Jul 14 UTC
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Autism
Very interesting article in the NYT today about autism. Discuss.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/03/magazine/the-kids-who-beat-autism.html
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Puddle (413 D)
02 Aug 14 UTC
Please don't stab me-2
Whoever is playing as germany, could you please quit wasting all our time and Ready your orders. You are always the only one not doing this.
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JamesYanik (548 D)
02 Aug 14 UTC
4 more for world, under 2 days left
All messaging, points per supply center, low starting bet
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ameya95 (100 D)
02 Aug 14 UTC
game name - babva
Need players!
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Attavior (1677 D)
02 Aug 14 UTC
Live Game Improvement

If is possible for live game, if the game is set to anonymous, that it show the status of anonymous player being online? With the time frame for live games it start, it is very possible that by the time the last player joined, that someone has left the site and completely forgot that he/she committed to play. Might cut down on live games failing to be played out completely.
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jimbursch (100 D)
31 Jul 14 UTC
Civil Disorder rules
I'm having some difficulty locating the rules for Civil Disorder. Can someone point me in the right direction? Or should I ask my questions here?
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
31 Jul 14 UTC
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Webdip Forum & Updated Rules
Please read.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
01 Aug 14 UTC
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Gaza Truce Ends 1.5 Hours After It Begins; Hamas Fires, Takes IDF Prisoner
http://news.yahoo.com/three-day-gaza-cease-fire-goes-effect-heavy-050104553.html The time for peace is over. Breaking peace after peace after peace...tell me, Hamas backers--what civilized "political party" breaks ceasefires intended to help their own side, hides weapons in multiple United Nations schools, continuing to attack during a truce and now takes a prisoner...when they were supposed to be brokering a peace? Down with Hamas...damn the international opinion! At any cost!
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
01 Aug 14 UTC
@ goldfinger: "lol, they're not going through with bulldozers tearing everything down"

Yes. Yes they are. You're mistaken. That is *exactly* what they are doing. They are reducing almost every building in the zone to rubble, and they have quite literally been using bulldozers to destroy farms in the zone.
Jamiet - I have only seen construction equipment being used in relation to the destruction of the extensive tunnel network going into Israel. If you could link me to some source or article, I would love to have you prove me wrong.
Putin33 (111 D)
01 Aug 14 UTC
Im sure the farms had rockets in the olive trees or human shields or something. The soil was antisemitic.
Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang (0 DX)
01 Aug 14 UTC
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"Chairman - I would pause before saying they're decimating 40% of Gaza. 40% of Gaza falls within the buffer zone, but 80% of Israel is being targeted daily by rockets, so lets not make it seem completely one-sided. And this is war just as much as Mogadishu was for the US and the UN rescue force there in 1993. The casualty rate was much higher there. 18 US deaths and 1,500-3,000 casualties on the Somalian side."

You do realize this new buffer zone is a new creation right? People were already living in the place Israel extended the buffer zone to. They are systemically pushing people out of their homes and killing them if they don't move. This has nothing to do with Hamas targets.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/08/israeli-buffer-zone-tightens-gaza-chokehold-20148183650108236.html

"And yeah, Israel looks awful for hitting UN schools and refugee shelters. But you must remember, most (if not all) of those schools were empty. And in the last week, UNRWA workers have found missile caches in three of their schools. If Hamas will not respect UN neutrality and use those areas as weapons depots, why should Israel? And its not like those weapons are destroyed by the UN once they're found - they're given back to Hamas!"

You're confused here. The empty schools are where they found the missiles. The crowded ones are where Israel bombed. The IDF initially stated it fired on empty schools but revoked this when evidence didn't pan out.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/17/unrwa-investigating-20-rockets-empty-gaza-school-palestinian
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/gaza-un-school-hit-201473041918975321.html
And in every instance Hamas has removed the rockets from schools when requested. And I'm guessing Israel should adhere to UN neutrality because Israel is the one with all the power and weaponry on their side? They should be the ones to lead by example.

And no, this is not like Mogadishu at all. A US incursion into foreign territory does not match up with the extended siege, blockade, and occupation of Gaza since the 40s
Tolstoy - you and Putin have good points. Gaza's population density does create huge problems for reducing civilian casualties. And shelters - as you have pointed out - are not necessarily safe. Here's what I found on one of the attacks. From The Guardian

"The Israel Defence Forces (IDF) said it was investigating the incident at the UN school. Initial inquiries showed that "Hamas militants fired mortar shells from the vicinity of the school, and [Israeli] soldiers responded by firing towards the origins of the fire", a spokeswoman said.

A UN source said there was no evidence of militant activity inside the school."

Personally, I think they're both telling the truth and trying to spin it their way. No militants inside the school, but some operating in the vicinity. Now, personally, the IDF should've known better. They should've had GPS locations of each UN facility and directions to avoid counter-fire to the area. I'll place 90% of the blame on Israel for situations like this. But I at least want you to recognize that Hamas provokes Israel into making these mistakes. These were shells, not missiles. Shells come from counter-fire.

Putin - correct me if I'm wrong, but Gaza City is along the coast and the farms are by the Israeli border, right? Given that there is a globally acknowledged tunnel network from Gaza into Israel, wouldn't it make sense that these tunnels originate near the border (ie. on said farms?).
Jamiet99uk (808 D)
01 Aug 14 UTC
@ goldfinger:

The use of bulldozers to render land in the "buffer zone" uninhabitable and un-farmable has been going on for several years.

http://www.irinnews.org/report/78765/israel-opt-buffer-zone-reducing-palestinian-agricultural-land-in-gaza

http://www.afghanistantimes.af/news_details.php?id=8214&&cid=2

http://farmingunderfire.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/israeli-bulldozers-enter-gaza-border.html
Putin33 (111 D)
01 Aug 14 UTC
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This wasnt a mistake UN schools have been shelled multiple times now. They were told the coordinates many times they knew exactly what they were doing. Theres no excuse for this.
Putin33 (111 D)
01 Aug 14 UTC
One third of the farmland is in the buffer zone, how that justifies bulldozing and setting fire to gaza farms when they already need food is beyond me.
Tolstoy (1962 D)
01 Aug 14 UTC
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"Now, personally, the IDF should've known better. They should've had GPS locations of each UN facility and directions to avoid counter-fire to the area. I'll place 90% of the blame on Israel for situations like this. But I at least want you to recognize that Hamas provokes Israel into making these mistakes. These were shells, not missiles. Shells come from counter-fire."

With massive mobs in Israel shouting "Death to Arabs", "Kahane was Right", and other genocidal slogans and routine attacks of arson, murder, and mayhem by Jewish settlers on unarmed Palestinians an almost daily occurrence, the idea that all of the IDF's attacks on civilians are just honest mistakes is, in my mind, simply not believable. When you give a bunch of 19 year olds the power of life and death over people they've been taught to hate all their lives, many of them are going to abuse it.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/01/who-is-behind-gaza-s-mass-execution.html#sthash.IRcDbIsO.uxfs

this is the kind of story we're going to be hearing from Gaza for months. The big difference to this campaign is that it is a clear quest for vengeance and punishment; first for the teenagers and subsequently dead Israeli soldiers.

https://www.facebook.com/eran.efrati.9/posts/10204269146351996
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/07/29/israeli-soldier-admits-murdering-palestinian-civilians-was-a-pre-planned-act-of-revenge/
Randomizer (722 D)
01 Aug 14 UTC
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@Tolstoy - While most Jews were removed by the Romans, people think that there weren't any Jews left and the entire land was Palestinians. Palestinians were a relatively recent addition to the area brought in by the Turks to work the land for Turkish owners. They have less of a historical claim than almost everyone else that conquered the place in the last 2000 years.
FineRedMist (108 D)
01 Aug 14 UTC
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I found obi's explanation of his affinity for Israel very interesting, a little confusing, and a bit sad. As a person who has never felt particularly strong family, tribal, or national feelings, I find the entire idea of favoring one group of people over another based upon their address, their birthplace, or their DNA a little strange. And I think such tribalism, nationalism, and jingoism is at the root of a lot of awfulness in the world, along with some nice things. So to hear an American Jew express any greater affection for Israel than, say, Poland or Russia is strange to me. Furthermore, I find it interesting that obi refers to Israel as a Jewish state, with Jewish soldiers, etc., when there are in fact a fair number of non-ethnically Jewish and non-religiously Jewish citizens of the state, however "apart" they must feel in their own country, even Arab IDF troops. If Israel and its supporters want to continue to frame criticism of the actions of the Israeli government as evidence of anti-Semitism, then perhaps they should cast aside any pretense of being a liberal, secular state, strip non-Jews of their citizenship, and at least get rid of one obvious counter to that oft-repeated claim.

But mostly, I just wish people would stop saluting colorful rags or, worse, using them as blindfolds to keep from seeing some of the horrible things done in their name.
FineRedMist (108 D)
01 Aug 14 UTC
Also, I'll just say that I thought the conversation was a lot more productive before Putin and Co. turned it into a shouting match. Try not to act so much like the crazy guy on the corner shouting at people about Revelation and government mind control rays.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
01 Aug 14 UTC
"I got a phd fuckface."

Putin33 summed up in five words.

Real intellectuals don't generally have to declare themselves such loudly and angrily...and with the word "fuckface."
Putin33 (111 D)
01 Aug 14 UTC
About 7000 jews lived in ottoman palestine, most in jerusalem. Thats your great claim to continuous settlement since the Roman era.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
01 Aug 14 UTC
"There ARE no safe places in Gaza, thats the point."

And Hamas has done a good job of ensuring that to be the case, THAT'S the point.
FineRedMist (108 D)
01 Aug 14 UTC
<facepalm>

Focus, people!
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
01 Aug 14 UTC
"About 7000 jews lived in ottoman palestine, most in jerusalem. Thats your great claim to continuous settlement since the Roman era."

Why should you care...you think Conquest = Peace...

And now it looks like you very well might get your wish.

You have all the credibility of a Hamas spokesman--that is, none.
Putin33 (111 D)
01 Aug 14 UTC
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Youre a monster, I dont care what you think and never have.
Putin33 (111 D)
01 Aug 14 UTC
Arabs have lived in palestine since the arab conquest of the 7th cen. And were under Arab rule in the 19th under Ibrahim pasha, not that you joan peters zombies care.
Putin33 (111 D)
01 Aug 14 UTC
And Judea was a Roman vassal state, according to Israeli logic that nullifies any claim to continuity.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
01 Aug 14 UTC
"Youre a monster, I dont care what you think and never have."

^Exactly what I'd say about you, Mr. Putin...

When you back the tyrants you back, and say "Conquest is Peace," you've essentially neutered yourself.

Keep up the same rhetoric, Putin...

You were wrong about Crimea, you're wrong about Hamas...

Keep shouting and pointing to that PHD and calling people "fuckface" (what a lovely, PHD-worthy, intellectual term!) all you like...

You were wrong then, and you ARE wrong now.
Braillard (201 D)
01 Aug 14 UTC
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What credibility do YOU have obi?
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
01 Aug 14 UTC
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/08/01/Before-Kidnapping-Hamas-Didn-t-Send-Reps-to-Egypt

Tell me, pro-Hamas crowd...

Breaking the truce on the one hand, and NOT sending a negotiation team to Cairo for peace talks on the other...

How can you claim this is a party that cares about peace at all?

They've broken multiple ceasefires and refused to send a delegation to peace talks...

Seems pretty anti-peace to me.
Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang (0 DX)
01 Aug 14 UTC
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a breitbart link? for real?
ssorenn (0 DX)
01 Aug 14 UTC
I dont believe he has a PhD
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
01 Aug 14 UTC
"What credibility do YOU have obi?"

Well, I've used link after link after link to substantiate and cite my claims...

Whereas it seems quite a few others here are just content to shout at other members like children and use childish words ("fuckface.")

And the thread has 5 +1s now at the top...seems that someone somewhere must think there's at least a smidgen of credibility worth giving that measure of respect...
ssorenn (0 DX)
01 Aug 14 UTC
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Also fuck hamas
obi exclusively refers to Putin and ignores anyone else in this thread because he sticks to low hanging fruit these days. It's the only way he can maintain his position.
goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
01 Aug 14 UTC
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Guys (I'm assuming), make no mistake - I'm not staunchly pro-Israel. Do I agree with Netanyahu and Israel are doing the right thing? Or that their actions are in the interest of peace? Of course not. And I hate the zealous anti-Arab sentiments that many Israelis have, just as much as I hate the anti-Semitism sentiments that seem to be much more prevalent nowadays.

But I'm trying to at least get the pro-Palestine people to acknowledge two things here:

1. Despite all the wrongdoings of the IDF, Hamas is partially to blame for many of the deaths occuring, and is a bad thing for the two-state movement.

2. This is a war, and in an extremely urban area too. Civilian casualties are not to be unexpected. Dirty tactics are not unexpected either, by *either* side. Look at Ukraine, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, ANYWHERE. What is the most important metric is civilian deaths/combatant deaths, and we want that as low as possible. I would be interested to see how this compares to, say, the US invasion of Iraq.

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