"Well I was more fascist back in grade 8, I supported the holocaust (not entirely, I wasn't anti-semetic but I was in favor of exterminating the other races"

I actually burst out laughing in the lab because this statement is just so seriously fucked up.

No reason. May I ask how a 12 year old could develop such a strong hatred towards African Americans? Were you raised with these beliefs?

"No reason. May I ask how a 12 year old could develop such a strong hatred towards African Americans? Were you raised with these beliefs?"
If I answer that it will sound more fucked up

Trust me, you can't possibly sound any more fucked up then you already do. If anything, you may provide justifications for your beliefs that were beyond your control.

@Draugnar, I wasn't sure if you were still here. A year ago you would have had a lot to say about this. You must have found inner peace or something :-).

@ashley - A lot has changed in the last year. I have mellowed and now I pick and choose my fights a little bit more carefully. But I read most everything posted.

"Trust me, you can't possibly sound any more fucked up then you already do. If anything, you may provide justifications for your beliefs that were beyond your control."
Would growing up in Africa make it sound more fucked up?

"@ashley - A lot has changed in the last year. I have mellowed and now I pick and choose my fights a little bit more carefully. But I read most everything posted."
Maybe I should learn a lesson from you

@Draugnar: Good for you, although I must say I miss the old you in threads like this. Your posts would have been epic.

South Africa or Africa?

Also, no, I don't see how you can justify being a supremacist simply by growing up in Africa.

I've been trying to get my head around this one. If you happen to live in a part of Africa where there is a high degree of poverty, and you happen to be in a relatively well off white family, then the vast majority of black people you will see are likely to be poorly educated and hostile against you (Especially if the local politicians have been going heavy on an anti-white card as in Zimbabwe). If you add a racist family to the mix as well, then most of the people you love and trust will have told you the other races are inferior.

In those conditions I think it'd be pretty damned hard not to be a supremacist.

@Octavious

Yes, that's a good point. But, at the end of the day, he just needs to get over it.

Make sense, I have always felt that racism is something that is taught within the family structure. You do not choose to be a racist, you are raised as one.

I don't which is worse. Fasces or the apologists making excuses for him.

@ Putin

If you do not understand a problem you give up any hope of finding a solution. I'm surprised to see you make such a short-sighted comment.

Octavious got it. Points for him.

@abgemacht: I moved back to Canada when I was 10. I stopped being a supremacist when I was 12. I am 4 years over it, did you not read the beginning of this page? (well previous one now)

Please Putin, don't get me wrong, I am not making excuses for him. I just can't get over his views at his age. He is still a child for crying out loud. It's sad.

"Please Putin, don't get me wrong, I am not making excuses for him. I just can't get over his views at his age. He is still a child for crying out loud. It's sad."
I am no longer pro-extermination. still a little racist in my belief that there is reason behind why Caucasians and Asians score higher on IQ tests and are on average more successful. However I also acknowledge that there are some advantages and disadvantages in all the races so we are pretty much equal and we evolved based on the environment around us.

@Facses

I read this:

" that Caucasians aren't completely the superior race"

Doesn't sound like you're over it to me.

we had this racist debate here back in December...
Why didn't you complain back then?

I doubt the problem has anything to do with Fasces living in Kenya until he was 9 or whatever. It's simply a matter of misguided and deranged self-exploration/attention-seeking. Fasces claims to have initiated his "fascist" phase after watching some Japanese cartoon.

This isn't 1960. Kenya isn't a hotbed of anti-colonial/anti-European sentiment (neither is Zimbabwe, despite the best efforts to portray white farmers as being the victims of some kind of racial pogrom). Parents aren't always to blame for the silliness of their offspring.

That must have been one sick cartoon.

@Fasces

Do you know that I didn't?

And, I don't spend all of my time on this forum, nor do I have time to have a fight in every thread.

"I doubt the problem has anything to do with Fasces living in Kenya until he was 9 or whatever"
Tanzania (country on the southern border to Kenya) until I was 10 :P
not sure how you were just off on both of those.

and putin your bending the facts. What got me interested in fascism was a cartoon. However research and political debates following decided my political views. I was 11 at the time.

I was racist back in Africa, I lived in a huge couple acre property with a 12,000 foot house and had quite a number of servants (all of which were black), anything I wanted they would give to me.

Also I did witness a gang war (well, kinda, I was inside in bed), when some gang members tried to break into our house, but security fought them off.

Before being fascist I was more of a caste I guess, given that most of our traits are inherited, I thought jobs should be to, makes it easier...

So you're an entitled, racist prick.

Good game. I hope that later in life, you have the decency to be deeply ashamed.

I WAS an entitled, racist prick.
I'm not as rich any more and not as racist

"either is Zimbabwe, despite the best efforts to portray white farmers as being the victims of some kind of racial pogrom"

Jesus, Putin33. Even Bobby Mugabe won't get a condemnation from you? He's driven what was once one of the bright spots of Africa into near oblivion. But his party still calls its leadership a Politburo, so it must be right...

"I hope that later in life, you have the decency to be deeply ashamed."

Well said, Jack Klein. That cannot be improved on.

People are being bloody harsh here. From what I understand Fasces was deeply racist and now he is not. This is a good thing, no? A few racist instincts may still linger, but he's only human after all.

The big danger is this world is not people like Fasces. It's the people who are racist and proud of it, but keep quiet about it. The people who know what to say to appear normal most of the time, but suddenly crawl out of the woodwork to pour hate on the foreigner when times are hard.

Fasces is not the problem. Quite the reverse... And I for one salute his honesty.

So you're a somewhat rich, somewhat racist prick. :-)

@Oct

To some degree, I do agree with you; however:

1) It's unclear if he actually does feel ashamed of his racist past, and
2) It's unclear how racist he really still is.