@Krellin So does being pro-choice in your made equate to being for free love? Because I can say that I personally have always been in monogamouis relationships, but damn I sure as hell believe in having a bountiful sex life. Just because a person wants the freedom to choose what they want to do with their body doesn't mean the sleep around.

Jamie is losing his mind apparently. You said..."...God might be on your side, but that doesn't bother me". Moron.

Bug larva are not humans, Moron.

Jamie, you said "...She <DUMB BITCH> discussed it with him <MAN-CHILD> because he <MAN-CHILD> had a right to know that she <DUMB MURDERING BITCH> was pregnant..." If it isn't a baby, if it isn't alive, if it is inside the inviolate body of a woman, then he has ZERO right to know anything.

You apparently can't even comprehend your OWN words. Moron.

And have the balls to stop PM'ing me with vile hatred and post it here. Moron. Coward.

@Celtic - pro-choice has noting to do with free love. All teh guys onhere that think people should go aroudn fucking whenver and whatever is what I am referrring to. I suspect, Celtic, that you are a little more selective in your love life, as opposed to these horndogs...

@Celtic - bountiful, yes. Selective, yes. Having sex with someone when you don't even have a CLUE as to how they feel about...say...having a baby (when he's about to stick his dick in you...) is irresponsible self-gratification. If you can't have a basic conversation about pregnancy...then you might want to think twice about fucking, because you probably ALSO don't know if he has a disease...But I guess when you gots to get off, you gots to get off, right? That all-mighty orgasm is what drives everyone's motivations, right? Pathetic...

I'd love to be drunk at work....I restrain myself...In fact, people restrain themselve from self-indulgence ALL THE TIME...but you youngens think sex is somehow something for which there should be zero restraint, and no standards?

Just because you CAN...does not mean you SHOULD. Something a hell of a lot of you need to learn....

Haaaaa ha ha ah1! Jamie claims to have muted me! Awwwwww....poor baby can't stand to listen to his own words thrown back at him! Sorry, sad moron.

@ Krellin Its not that I'm more selective I just don't chea. I've been with my husband nearly 10 years and well there's no room for ayone else. But, I do understand that other people don't do the same. That's why we have things like condoms and other birth control methods. That way we can prevent conception from even happening.

Just bcause I don't do something doesn't mean others shouldn't be able to either.

Celtic - Like I said, do *whatever* you want....(you generically)...but when things go bad (pregnancy, disease, emotional issues,etc.) DON'T come bitching about it, as so often they do....And, please don't murder any babies along the way. If you live a life without principle, then be adult enough to deal with the consequences - THAT's what I'm saying.

See here once again you're asserting your opinion that an embryo or a fetus is a baby. It's not, that's why it has a different name. you might believe it's a baby. Good for you, but that's a personal belief. You don't get to impose it on other people.

Did I say a fetus is a baby? I think I said it's an undeveloped human being, in the same way a larva is an undeveloped specific insect. It is life, whether or not you have the intestinal fortitude to admit it or not. The only reason people don't want to admit it is life is becuase it inconveniences them when they want to murder it.

You will note the connotation of every woman discussing an abortion...I don't want to keepthe baby....have to discuss it with the potential father, etc....all terminology that tacitly implies the admission that it is a life...

Think what you will if it helps you justify murder. It's just pure scientific hypocrisy.

I like how you're putting words in the mouths of every pregnant woman, ever.

@Krellin for the record been with him lmost 10 years with no accidents. If you're smart and careful they don't always happen.

thatwasawkward + 1.
Of course it's life. So is a cow, so is a centipede, so is a tree, so is a bacterium. "Life" describes a pretty broad category of things. Are you a vegetarian? Do you never kill plants? Do we have a moral imperative to never end life ever under any circumstances? I doubt it.
Obviously what you mean is human life, and like, yes, it is a life with a human genome. But that too is pretty meaningless. There's a distinction to be made between "human life" and "a person".

Oh god....the morons (that was just for you, mafia) are out in force....trying to compare human life to insects. When you morons sink to such desperate levels that most liberals turn away and blush in embarrassment over your pathetic arguments...you've lost. By sinking to such a pathetic comparison (human life = any life in a moral context) you've jumped the shark and basically admitted you have no argument.

But, Mafia, at least you *admit* that an embryo is human life....and therefore admit that killing a baby in the womb is killing a human.

As for killing a "person"....oh, there are plenty of severly mentally retarded people in the world that have essentially no ability to communicate, and could be labeled as "not people" because they can't hold a pleasant conversation...I guess you want to kill them, too, right? That's been suggested by various figures throughout history....I'll let you go to the library and research who those folks might have been suggesting that....

"But, Mafia, at least you *admit* that an embryo is human life....and therefore admit that killing a baby in the womb is killing a human."

Once again, terrible logic on display here. Mafia says an embryo is life, and you jump to "you're killing a HUMAN". Fun fact: There are lots of things that are alive that aren't humans.

thatsawkward....if it isn't human life...what sort of fucking life is it, genius? The only lack of logic here is with those that advocate killing babies. A LARVA....for the billionth time, is pat of the life cycle of a particular insect. If you look up, for example, life cycle of <pick your insect> yo will find the various stages of life ALL as part of that insect's life...at no point in time does anyone say, "oh...I wonder what THAT will be..."

You geniuses have GOT to come up with a better argument. You made the *fatal* mistake of admitting it's life...that in and of itself kicks you guys out of the pro-choice club, because they live in denial of that claim. so, at least progress has been made...

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=life+cycle+of+a+fly&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=PRE&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1280&bih=841&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=YQemebN3S2I-aM:&imgrefurl=http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/kevin_neal/27.html&docid=3LF4itUiiQ_5FM&imgurl=http://i.cdn.turner.com/trutv/trutv.com/graphics/photos/criminal_mind/forensics/kevin_neal/life-cycle-of-a-fly200.jpg&w=285&h=317&ei=zMdrT8nBMsXJgQe9_YnABg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=569&sig=109587461205636980556&page=1&tbnh=142&tbnw=128&start=0&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0&tx=62&ty=74

See...Life cycle of a FLY....ALL the stages are part of being a FLY....at no point is it anything OTHER than a fly...it is a fly at different stages...but ALWAYS a fly...

SAME GOES WITH AN EMBRYO.

The LACK of logic comes with a bunch of people that use one set of logic for ALL forms of life *except* human life. Pathetic, guys, really...

Thatsawkward....who the hell EVER said that all life is human life? You last statement is (almost) the stupidest statement made here in a while....but I think JamietUk had you beat early with his continuous self-contradictions...

Here is the problem about arguing pro-life or pro-choice. We are both arguing off of two different grounds. Pro-Life say it's a moral issue. Pro-Choice say it is a health issue. Just look how we label the two grounds, pro-life and pro-choice, wait where are the con's the anti's. There are no because no one wants to say they are Anti-Life or Anti-Choice. These labels were giving to making people think two different things. Republicans support life and Democrats want to give me the freedom of choice. No one can win this arguement because no one is arguing the same point we are both just attacking each other with the negatives.

Lulz, kwellin is mad.
You're making "points" that are astonishingly lacking in actual logic. You clearly said that because Mafia said that am embryo is a living thing, that he was admitting it was "human". A squirrel is a living thing, too. It's not a human.

I can sense your brain is now crackling and fizzling with a special brand of ignorance-based rage, so I'll explain.

The embryo, whether it's "living or not", is an embryo.

You probably would say it is, specifically, a human embryo. Right?

This brings us to your point in citing the "Life cycle of a FLY". Surely if the embryo is a human embryo, and the embryo is "alive" (still a subjective viewpoint whether you agree with it or not, but let's assume it is for the purposes of this exercise), then it must be a LIVING HUMAN, correct?

Not really.

An embryo, whether it's "living" or not, is still just an embryo.

Here's another example, similar to the one you gave. A chicken egg would certainly be placed within the "Life cycle of a CHICKEN" (to borrow your emphasis). But a chicken egg is not yet a chicken. Likewise, even using your specific example, a fly larvae is not yet a fly.

Of course, all of this is ignoring the fact that even if you consider a human embryo to be a full, actual human being with all the same capabilities (an absurd thought), using the word "murder" is loaded, at best, in such a way that eliminates your ability to rationally think about the issue.

Please at least try to think about it before spewing another absurd reply full of tortured logic back into this thread.

Have a nice day,
-twa

Actually, HC, the pro-choice side has been winning it for a few decades now. Your side has always been a bit slow to admit defeat :P

But a chicken egg is not yet a chicken. Likewise, even using your specific example, a fly larvae is not yet a fly.
Just because you use different names for the phases of life cycle does not change the fact that a chicken embryo is a chicken and a fly larva is a fly. Can the chicken embryo be anything else but a chicken? Only if you stop its life cycle.
Using your logic a child isn't an adult so as long as adults pass laws that affect children (terminating them in the womb for example) then they really aren't human because they aren't adults. Seems odd when you hear it don'tcha think?

Pro-Choice is not winning @ yj
Difference is liberals typically are loud and whiny until they get what they want. We aren't admiting defeat because we are the majority but our opinion is not being listened to because it isn't fair to the minority. That is how todays politics work. Do you think most Americans want gay-marriage, abortion, illegal immigrant amnest, or etc? No, they don't however the minorties are typically heard more because of media. No liberal media station wants to show a report on our opinion. It is too boring and factual. You only see people yelling and protesting. I will give you an example the 99% percent protests. Were they the 99%? No, but the media portrayed it as all the classes rising against the upper class in a noble cause. When it was actually just a bunch immature young adults wanting the government to pay for everything because of their huge sense of entitlement.

Chez...a chicken egg is an egg, just like the egg in a woman...until it is fertizlied...at which time is contains a chicken....just like a fertilized egg in a womb is a womb containing an undeveloped human.

@Thatsawkward...I'm not mad at all. But you make things up and say I say things I never said, and you use inconsistent logic.

Thatsawkward....the *same* principle that applies to all other life should apply to humans. If the "lifecycle of a fly" encompasses ALL the stages of a fly's life...and therefore at all stages, whatever the stage, it is a fly...ipso facto, embryo is human....unless you are going to turn science on its head and denounce the development cycle of all other beings...

wow, that's a huge pile of unholy bullshit you just planted, HC. Much of it we've already discussed, so since I doubt you'll have any better answers this time, I will respectfully decline to argue :)

And, MORON, thatsawkward...I *NEVER* claimed an embryo has all the functions of a "full human" - whatever that is. NEITHER DOES ANY HUMAN until they hit puberty. By YOUR logic (must have full function) we can kill ANY human being prior to puberty. I'm just applying YOUR logic...

Likewise...after menopause....it's curses for Grandma....to the dog food factory. Oh....and screw the handicappers...

Thatsawkward....if you knew for a split second what "logic" actually is, I'd be stunned...Your inability to consistently carry through a thought process is truly mind boggling.

And, Thatsawkward...if the intentional taking of a human life isn't murder, WHAT THE FUCK IS IT? I'm sorry if that terminology offends your baby-murdering sensibilities....but it is what it is....

I was just commenting on your bullshit about your side winning YJ.

Don't forget about the mentally handicapped or old people with Alzheimer's @Krellin. They are far from human function. I guess we should just kill them all for their own good.