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Adam Bomb (100 D)
09 Dec 11 UTC
Doctor Who: the New or the Old orOld or Old or Old.....???
An almost perpendicular thread to my tiring Socialism thread.
Who's your favorite Doctor???
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dr. octagonapus (210 D)
10 Dec 11 UTC
New World Dip. Game
game phase: 1 day
bet: 75

join please
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
10 Dec 11 UTC
OK, This HAS To Stop! America...THIS Is Why Your Colleges Are Failing!
Or one reason...jerks like the ones who are 1. Talking in a library on finals 2. Clearly set this girl off and 3. ARE SO SLEAZY AS TO TAPE HER, AND THEN GOAD HER SOME MORE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xbaDw7A6anA
WHY let jerks like that who don't want to work into our Cal States U's? They're already impacted! I feel for that Asian girl...
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
09 Dec 11 UTC
Favorite Word in the English language
Post your favorite word and definition and why.
Mine is : antidisestablishmentarionism, a movement to remove the church of england from power, and its sheer length and awesomeness is why I like it!
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President Eden (2750 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
Entering retirement to go to work... how about that.
See thread for details.
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franzjosefi (1291 D)
10 Dec 11 UTC
Most Important Centers on the Ancient Med Map
Quick straw poll. What is the most strategically vital center on the Ancient Med map? I think it is Byzantium.
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Nelhybel (280 D)
10 Dec 11 UTC
Team Diplomacy Tournament
A tournament hosted by Diplomat33. "Game 1" is starting to wrap up, and we're all wondering...
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jireland20 (0 DX)
10 Dec 11 UTC
LIVE GAME!!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=74416
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
09 Dec 11 UTC
Friday Around The Horn! Sports Fans, Is It Safe To Say...
1. The NHL has leapfrogged the beleaguered NBA as 3rd most popular out of the Big Four Leagues (NFL way in first, MLB in a distant-but-decent 2nd?)
2. The USA's interest in the 2012 World Cup will be higher after the '08 run?
3. The Angels' Pujos/Wilson pickups make them favorites to make the LCS?
4. The Ravens have supplanted the Colts/Patriots/Steelers as the AFC Superteam?
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Argento (5723 D)
10 Dec 11 UTC
New game "For the old times..."
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=74401
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Sydney City (0 DX)
09 Dec 11 UTC
3 countries needed in live game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=74378&msgCountryID=6
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mrmuszynski (100 D)
09 Dec 11 UTC
Transferring control of a country
We have a player in our game who is not going to be able to continue because he is too busy with work and just doesn't have time to commit to playing well.

Is there a way for the mods to substitute another account for his, or should we just have someone sit on his account for the remainder of the game?
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stratagos (3269 D(S))
09 Dec 11 UTC
Mods!
Someone stole my lunch out of the fridge at work today! What are youvgoing to do about it??
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Trooth (561 D)
09 Dec 11 UTC
Whats your Favorite phrase?
I couldnt think of my favorite word because there are so many, but I was able to remember my favorite phrase:

off duty stripper...
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MadMarx (36299 D(G))
07 Dec 11 UTC
WACcon 2012: Seattle
Anyone else going?!
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
09 Dec 11 UTC
Any mods online?
Care to message me if you are?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
08 Dec 11 UTC
Albert Pujos Is Coming My Way To LA...ANGELS SIGN HIM! (WOW!)
I mean...WOW! Largest contract in history! 10 years, 254 MILLION $!
That's the Angels eclipsing the YANKEES contract to A-Rod, the YANKS!
And St. Louis...how do you NOT keep him whatever it takes!
Sell the Rams to Los Angeles, before you let Pujos go...WOW!
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chenf (689 D)
09 Dec 11 UTC
Let's see if we can get this filled in the next hour and half
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=74108

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Yonni (136 D(S))
09 Dec 11 UTC
Why aren't you watching Michael: Tuesday and Thursdays?
The fact that you're doing anything else at this moment is a travesty.
http://www.cbc.ca/michael/videos/
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Cachimbo (1181 D)
08 Dec 11 UTC
Best Webdip Quote of the Day
Post yours here.
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
06 Dec 11 UTC
Great Article About Diplomacy
http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/resources/humour/coast_moscow.htm

Well worth a read. Written by the maker of the game himself.
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
08 Dec 11 UTC
Mod Attention Please.
Hi Mods (again),
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
08 Dec 11 UTC
WebDip Poll: Am I a troll?
Vote Below with a +1 to the option you choose.
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killer135 (100 D)
06 Dec 11 UTC
Riddles
post a riddle
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
06 Jul 11 UTC
SoW Summer 2011 Game 2
gameID=63029

Please follow the thread rules below
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
05 Dec 11 UTC
Will you be my friend?
I'm looking to start a game with people I haven't played before.
Game will be 36hour, WTA, low pot.
I reserve the right to not be friends with anyone I chose.
Post your interest below.
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rokakoma (19138 D)
08 Dec 11 UTC
Tigres et Diesel - EOG
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Babak (26982 D(B))
16 Nov 11 UTC
Something I have to share
Should be watched by as many people as possible. please share on your FB pages or email contact lists. Powerful and effective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGR5UQJLQvU&list=PL75FD5B97013BAF01&index=6&feature=plpp_video
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krellin (80 DX)
21 Nov 11 UTC
<sigh...> Yeah...that's exactly what they want to do. And you pretend to be a rational person....It's much better to keep the poor, largely minority populations as virtual slaves to the state...

In Michigan, a couple decades ago, we went through some massive reforms on entitlement programs. People like you said people would be dying on the streets, blah blah blah...typical democrat lines...

Under Clinton, we went through some massive welfare reform. We were told that people would be homeless on teh street, starving and dying...you know, because poor blakc people are too stupid to make it on their own without the government helping them - that's the underlying suggestion...

Of course, in neither case did this happen.

Studys show a direct correlation between how long people stay jobless, and...surprise surprise...the amount of time people are allowed to collect unemployment. It a funny thing how motivated people get to take a job, or even create their own job, when push comes to shove.

You are a moron. The differnece between you and rational conservative is that we actually believe that humans should be responsible for themselves and that, more to the point, we believe that people generally are capable of taking care of themselves when pushed to do so.

You believe that anyone less fortunate than you can not survive without somebody giving them something for nothing. In fact, this liberal mindset is the MOST racist, MOST arrogant ideology out there, and the MOST hateful...because you would rather subject people to a lifetie of government-aide...i.e. a lifetime of poverty...than encourage them to make it on their own and succeed.

You know...this is anecdotal...but I have only worked for Minimum wage exactly ONE time in my life, for 30 days until I got my first raise. I have never worked for minimum wage again, because I better myself, I build a resume, I progress, because I believe I am responsible for me. *I* believe anyone can do this same thing.

YOU don't believe people can do that. You believe the poor...and let's face it, you ar talking about a race here...can't survive without your helping hand, because you don't think people are as good as you. THAT is the repulsive mindset of a Liberal, and that is what the Tea Party finds repulsive.

If you want to believe that the Tea party wants people starving on the street, then you are simply a jackass, and there will be no convincing you, even though I just explained the philosophy. Instead, I believe humanity, and individuals, should be and CAN be self-sufficient and -- when pushed -- DO take care of themselves as I have seen many times on both a state and Federal level in my life. I use history as my judge of people. You use emotion and racism.
Putin33 (111 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
"If you want to believe that the Tea party wants people starving on the street, then you are simply a jackass,"

The same tea party that shamelessly attacked a disabled person in Columbus for no reason whatsoever?

"You use emotion and racism."

Do you even remember the shit you've spewed about African Americans on here?
Putin33 (111 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
"You know...this is anecdotal...but I have only worked for Minimum wage exactly ONE time in my life, for 30 days until I got my first raise. I have never worked for minimum wage again, because I better myself,"

You only kept a job for 30 days? Talk about unreliable. Sounds like you had a privileged upbringing. Mommy and daddy get you a better job?
Putin33 (111 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
Nevermind, how did you get a raise in 30 days? Most minimum wage employers don't even allow this as a policy.
Mafialligator (239 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
Studys show a direct correlation between how long people stay jobless, and...surprise surprise...the amount of time people are allowed to collect unemployment. [citation needed]

Obviously talk of millions on the street is hyperbole, but the fact is the gap between the rich and the poor has widened in that time, not shrunk.

"The differnece between you and rational conservative is that we actually believe that humans should be responsible for themselves and that, more to the point, we believe that people generally are capable of taking care of themselves when pushed to do so." - Conservative assholes like you say that, what you really mean is you want to absolve yourself from responsibility for larger oppressive social structures by blaming the victims.

"YOU don't believe people can do that. You believe the poor...and let's face it, you ar talking about a race here...can't survive without your helping hand, because you don't think people are as good as you." - What on earth are you babbling about? The only person I think isn't as good as me is you, you vulgarian moron.
Mafialligator (239 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
In answer to your point that thinking there should be a social safety net I'm a racist (that is what you're claiming here, don't try and back away from it now), you seem to be glossing over lots of different point. Yes, black people are less wealthy than the national average. But when I say the poor, I'm not talking about a race. I'm talking about the poor. If I meant African Americans or Hispanic Americans or Asian Americans I'd say it. But you've hit on a key point, the problems of systematic racism and systematic poverty are not unrelated. They are caused by similar processes which serve to limit social mobility and empower the rich over the poor, whites over racial minorities, men over women, etc. It's not a matter of some people being better than others, its a matter of individuals not being equipped to fight all of society.
Sicarius (673 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
mafia +1
Leif_Syverson (271 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
@ Sic:

"if you have a question (for ows) then you must be prepared to help answer it. that is the whole point. everyone has to work together. "

Yeah I did provide an answer (see page 4. Here it is again).. I believe that the people, followed by local governments, should be entrusted with most of the power, while the federal government should have minimal, restricted, narrow power. Achieving this and living this way should be done within the "Rule of Law" which upholds a standard of justice by which we all can agree and act in accordance with and to which we can hold oppressors accountable. This rule of law allows humans certain rights but not others. The right to protest and free speech are granted but the right to deny use of public resources is not. Thus I condmen lawbreakers who deny the use of public resources. The right to pursue your own advancement in society and improve your status is given, however the right to money you didn't earn (social welfare) shouldn't be a right. There are extreme circumstances where the society can (and should) decide to help those who have been hit by misfortune, however this should be done at the local level by the community who knows the needs (and risks) associated with helping hurting individuals in their community. You don't provide a welfare check to a meth addict, you get him to a rehab center. The local community is better equipped to handle this problem than the federal government.

I believe that we have a responsibilty to point to greed, selfishness and jealousy as the problems rather than point to a class or race and call them the problem. That greed, selfishness, and jealousy is held by members of each class and all races and none is better or worse than the other. Pointing to a class and saying they are at fault is simply jealousy, and is no better than the greed classists accuse the upperclass of simply because some of its members have demonstrated that trait. Rise above the class distinction and point to the real problems.

Again I ask, having put forward my solution, where is the OWS proposed solution?

And Putin, I put forward half a forum page in answer to your questions and accusations of me being a hater and desiring the oppression of the poor by the rich, and you promptly ignore it and change the subject. No surprise there.
Sicarius (673 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
Everyone at any of the occupy's has their own solution, some have none, some have many.
If you were to attend your solution would be one of them.
Putin33 (111 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
No worries, these taunts about "solutions" are going to keep coming no matter what has already been said. That this movement *is not about reform* has been mentioned I don't know how many times. It is about creating a new society based on sharing and mutual help.
Putin33 (111 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
"while the federal government should have minimal, restricted, narrow power."

Which naturally helps empower corporations to have greater control over our lives, as the federal government is reduced to impotency.

"The right to protest and free speech are granted but the right to deny use of public resources is not. Thus I condmen lawbreakers who deny the use of public resources. "

Which is a blanket condemnation of all civil disobedience movements, ever. How you propose to change society by not inconveniencing the authorities is still a mystery.

" The local community is better equipped to handle this problem than the federal government."

Because the local community has such a great ability to raise these kinds of resources.

"The right to pursue your own advancement in society and improve your status is given, however the right to money you didn't earn (social welfare) shouldn't be a right."

How about inheritance? Some types of unearned money are better than others. Profiting off the labor of your workers is also acceptable, right? But damn those freeloading welfare recipients who get unemployment benefits after being laid off.

"Rise above the class distinction and point to the real problems."

Easy to say when we live in a society in which the super-rich continue to get richer and richer while the vast majority of the population have their incomes decline. Hard to say the rich aren't at fault when they pursue policies that defend their class at the expense of the welfare of everyone else.

Sicarius (673 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/19/8884405-lobbying-firms-memo-spells-out-plan-to-undermine-occupy-wall-street
krellin (80 DX)
21 Nov 11 UTC
@Mafia - so when Liberals lie about the millions on the street....you call it hyperbole...it's just for effect, huh? But if a Conservative lies they are pure, hell-bound evil?

It's pointless to have a rational discussion with someone like you who exchanges truth for lies so easily, who refuses to look to history for truth and lessons when they conflict with your emotionally-created fantasy of how you wish things were.

@sic -- God - you are a such a fool. Without realizing, AGAIN, you make the argument for the other side. If *everyone* at the OWS movement has their own, unique solution, then the OWS movement is 1. NOT a movement, as their is no coherence in thought; it is just a mob and 2. Is useless, as it expressed "general" purpose - to get back at those damned greedy corporations - can never be achieved because there is - now admitted by you - no coherent, unified solution.

Once again you demonstrate your complete lack of coherent thought and logic.
Putin33 (111 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
Hey, do you "law-and-order" types approve of NYC releasing criminals into Zucotti Park?
Putin33 (111 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8tRvkObmN0
Sicarius (673 D)
22 Nov 11 UTC
1. I wouldnt call it a movement, I agree. much more like a mob. A pissed off mob. kindof like the french revolution. See the thing is, I'm really pissed off too, I think we all have lots of reasons to be pissed off. You are pissed off too, but you seem to be taking it out on yourself.

2. so if there are 100 solutions instead of 1, in a large, global, leaderless, pissed off, bottom up, mob, why on earth would you think that would be LESS successful?
What is wrong in oakland may not be what is wrong in detroit. what is wrong in athens or cairo or jakarta must be fixed by the people there, anywhere, everywhere, in the way that they know how to do it.
Seriously. An anarchist influenced leaderless movement. I know you dont know what anarchist means... so I'll just say it means "really unlikely to do what far away people say just because they claim to represent you".
My take on the whole 'we are the 99%" thing isnt that the occupiers represent everyeone, in a monolithic sort of way. its that we are all individuals of differing backgrounds and lifestyles, who are all, collectively, being fucked over by corporations/corruption.
krellin (80 DX)
22 Nov 11 UTC
The 99% do not represent anyone, by your own definition "monolithic: large and characterless" It's hillarious that yo claim Washington doesn't represent you becuse they are large and far away...and then you turn around and say a bunch of whiny, bitching kids, who - in your words - are monolithic - are supposed to represent me. The continuous stream of contradictory things that come out of your head is mind-boggling. I don't mean that as an insult -- I mean it as a consistent observation.

And your "mob"....I may have used the word mob...but they aren't even that. it's a bunch of primarily priveledged white males camping in a park. Their TRUE numbers are minute compared to other historical movements. They are a joke, and instead of representing everyone...they really represent nobody, except for a few freaks like you, who is a self-confessed radical.

Have fun in your delusional fantasy world. Get back to me in 2012 after your "movement" "mob" whatever has been meaningless and ignored.
stratagos (3269 D(S))
22 Nov 11 UTC
I'm not going to get involved in this thread, but I thought I'd share this:

http://demotivators.despair.com/mercydemotivator.jpg
stratagos (3269 D(S))
22 Nov 11 UTC
Whups, wrong one:

http://www.despair.com/freedom.html
krellin (80 DX)
22 Nov 11 UTC
http://www.despair.com/achievement.html

This is my favorite, being a head hunter for the staffing industry...
Well, not to be "that guy" on this thread, but everything that video said is just a natural progress of the capitalist system. In this system, shareholders come first and lord if you don't beat the Wall Street predictions your stock will go to shit (that's the sole thing I hate about capitalism - that Wall Street has turned into a gambling house and the fluctuations of share prices do not reflect expectations of that stock or commodities future value, but a mere gamble on how they think the price will change, having nothing to do with the cost it takes to produce the good nor the demand for it -end rant).

But a good deal of the "problems" this video addresses is that we are in a globalized world, and companies 1) have an incentive to build facilities abroad to lower transportation costs since now many corporations sell more abroad than in the US and 2) Have access to new, cheaper labor markets, and the overpriced wages in American semi-skilled labor markets haven't adjusted - and won't adjust in low skill markets due to minimum wage laws - and thus firms are finding its less expensive to hire abroad.

http://img.sparknotes.com/figures/3/38bf88807fd6b1e5beccc807f687acf4/minwage.gif
The world labor market is at q*,w* and our labor supply is at or above q(s), w(min)

About the food contamination, finding loopholes in regulations, and unwillingness to recall defective products. This is a simple cost-benefit analysis done by each corporation to determine which path is least expensive. In this case, law suits are less expensive than conforming to safe food production standards or recalling a line of products. All Congress has to do is raise the penalties and firms will have more of an incentive to have better quality and quickly recall things.
Putin33 (111 D)
22 Nov 11 UTC
Did you "law-and-order" types support that pepper spraying of the UC-Davis students? I'm sure you did.
I'm not sure if I'm a "law-and-order" type, but no I did not. At least the guy warned them in advance though.
Putin33 (111 D)
22 Nov 11 UTC
No they were not warned. They could have been moved. The cop said "don't worry I'm going to spray these kids" and then he sprayed them. Military grade pepper spray is *not supposed to be used at point blank range*. One student was sprayed and then put in a police car instead of getting any medical attention for his injuries. A student who covered his face with his shirt was sprayed up his shirt by these pigs.

The students went out of their way to be helpful to the groundskeepers and make sure they weren't being unnecessarily disruptive. They weren't breaking university code since the chancellor had waived the policy the night before.
Mafialligator (239 D)
22 Nov 11 UTC
@goldfinger - Oh, it's funny, I'd never looked at it like that before. You're absolutely right. All these problems are a natural outgrowth of capitalism and there can't possibly be anything wrong with capitalism, so that's alright then, never mind this whole OWS thing. *sarcasm*...*again*
Mafialligator (239 D)
22 Nov 11 UTC
@ krellin - "so when Liberals lie about the millions on the street....you call it hyperbole...it's just for effect, huh? But if a Conservative lies they are pure, hell-bound evil?" - Yes, if you read my post over you'll find that's exactly what I said... Seriously what the fuck planet do you live on? That wasn't even remotely my point.
What I'm saying, Mafia, is that we have a relatively uncontrolled capitalist system. If you have an uncontrolled capitalist system, this kind of stuff will happen. I mean, hell, the booms and busts of the late 1800s were pretty damn bad, but the average citizen wasn't as exposed to the business cycle then as he is now.

What I'm saying is put restraints on the system (which I advocate), ditch capitalism (not a fan of this option), or stop complaining (which won't solve anything but the presence of protestors in the streets)

@Putin - how do you know it was military grade? Is it a different color? Do all police use military grade pepper spray? I would think the military would use military grade stuff
But I mean, in general, Mafia, the world is trying to move towards an equilibrium of sorts. If someone in one half of the world is willing to do a job for 1/5th of the price of someone somewhere else, the wages will start moving towards each other until they balance out. Then it starts all over again with a different region in the world. You can see it happening now with China. Wages are on the rise in China, as real wages decline in the United States and Western Europe. Eventually, the markets will lead to a semi-equal world (centuries in the future) and wages will be more or less the same everywhere unless there are drastic differences in labor supply or lack of development in an area.
Mafialligator (239 D)
22 Nov 11 UTC
But, I think your approach is kinda missing the point. It's not a big picture solution. The fact is, regulations or no regulations, restraints or no restraints, a system which is predicated on the idea of gain at the expense of others will ALWAYS inevitably lead into this. You can set up as many regulations, as many oversight committees, boards and inspectors and as much legislation as you want. All you can do is make it take a few years longer for companies to use all their influence and money to wear them all down, remove their teeth, and sooner or later we'll be back at square one. What needs to happen is we need to change the way that people think. As long as the main drive is "Get as much as I can for myself/my shareholders", we will never ever get out of this.
Right, I agree with you Mafia. Major reform is needed. First off, we need to get the money out of politics. Give set air time to all candidates, get rid of PACs, limit campaign contributions, and reverse the Citizens United decision. The second part of the reform is changing the ways the Board of Directors structures its CEO pay. Stock options clearly do not work, so there must be another performance measure that they can come up with to tie CEO benefits to that would not lead to inflationary stock price or accounting fraud.

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orathaic (1009 D(B))
07 Dec 11 UTC
DNWC
diplomacy nations World Cup...

anyone else playing?
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Hugo_Stiglitz (100 D)
08 Dec 11 UTC
My Triumphant Return
Yes, after weeks of a harrowing work schedule (followed by months of forgetting my password here), I make my return.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HxYuCsj26s
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