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cardcollector (1270 D)
03 Feb 13 UTC
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WebDip Terms?
okay so im new to this and I can definitely play well (in my opinion) but some terms/acronyms are just confusing. (I figured out dmz and nap myself ^.^) list the ones you use here and give a brief explanation?
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Pjdog (0 DX)
04 Feb 13 UTC
Quickys
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=109864 join this game
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Captain_Jay (241 D)
04 Feb 13 UTC
Multiple Accounts....
I recently discovered that my friend (Shmoop/dmindlin824/olminlin) actually has multiple accounts. In one game, he even played with two of his accounts at once (and still lost...). What would be the appropriate action to take at this point?
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Buggy Virus (100 D)
02 Feb 13 UTC
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Probably a common question
But how exactly does one go about making a new variant?
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KingRishard (1153 D)
03 Feb 13 UTC
Return of the King Invitational EOGs
Here is the gameID for all those that are interested in taking a look. gameID=106401
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
03 Feb 13 UTC
The Middle East and Israel
See below
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Tennille94 (0 DX)
04 Feb 13 UTC
Quick Game
Any one up for a short game? Game is called Lets Go-9
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Pjdog (0 DX)
04 Feb 13 UTC
Short games
Anyone wanna join my short game ?
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ezra willis (305 D)
23 Jan 13 UTC
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question for name on board game for market
Im making a board game for the market and im taking a pole on which name is better. The two names are war of 4 and Generals command. I know you do not know anything about the game. Dont worry about that. The names have hardly anything to do with discribing it anyway. Im just trying to find out which of the two names you like best.
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jimgov (219 D(B))
03 Feb 13 UTC
Gunboat me - Good game guys
Well that was a pretty good game for my first one back in a few years. Thanks a lot.
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Mintyboy4 (100 D)
02 Feb 13 UTC
Just want to double check a rule.
If Germany is doing a self bounce such as Hol-Ruhr, Mun-Ruhr
Would a French move of Piccardy supporting the attack into Ruhr from Munich, and at the same time Burgandy-Munich work for France ? Not exactly sure how the attacking your own troops rules works.
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ezra willis (305 D)
02 Feb 13 UTC
weapons of tomorrow today!
For those of you who (like myself) enjoy studying weapons bigger then the average assault rifle read this.....
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
02 Jan 13 UTC
Special Rules Gunboat
Inside.
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
03 Feb 13 UTC
Steroids
As this came up recently, and I just read a great article on the subject I wanted to share: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8904906/daring-ask-ped-question
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
03 Feb 13 UTC
reading list.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_books#List_of_best-selling_single-volume_books
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jimgov (219 D(B))
03 Feb 13 UTC
JimGov is back!
OK, most of you have no idea who I am, but I've been away for a few years and am interested in getting back into the whole Dip scene. Of those of you who remember me, a few may actually have liked me. So...look for me in a game near you soon.
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cardcollector (1270 D)
27 Jan 13 UTC
Super Bowl
Harbowl. Knew it since the summer. LOVE IT. (I'm a Ravens fan)

Who wins? why? I obviously pick Baltimore.
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
03 Feb 13 UTC
WTF?
http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981845359
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
31 Jan 13 UTC
A Shooting a Day Keeps the NRA Away
Someone needs to make this a real point. If you want gun control, outspend the NRA and yell louder than them. No real arguing tactics are going to work so let's stoop down to their level.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
03 Feb 13 UTC
10 Years + 1
We all remember where we were when this happened... some interesting info on it.

http://news.yahoo.com/untold-story-columbia-shuttle-disaster-mysterious-day-2-135349666.html
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
02 Feb 13 UTC
Haven't done a Tourney in ages.....anyone interested?
.....we only need 7 players.
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philcore (317 D(S))
02 Feb 13 UTC
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Gunboat question about convoys
Has anyone successfully convoyed with an ally's help in a gunboat game? How would you communicate that intent if you're the army and they are the fleet?
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
01 Feb 13 UTC
Behold
For I am determining the kinetics of a chemical reaction.
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
02 Feb 13 UTC
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It's my birthday
So fuck all of you, gimme a drink.

Happy 32 to your old pal YJ. Now I know you greedy pricks aren't gonna get me shit, but if you COULD, what would you have gotten me?
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erik8asandwich (298 D)
02 Feb 13 UTC
A question about draws
I believe this has been asked before but I can never remember how this works....

If a player cd's are they included if the remaining players decide to draw?
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Dharmaton (2398 D)
01 Feb 13 UTC
Please check this out: Plastic Pollution in the Oceans * Thx <3
https://www.facebook.com/groups/226851730667315/
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
29 Jan 13 UTC
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Gay sensitivity classes in primary school?
I just read a very disturbing article (in Dutch) about gay sensitivity classes in primary school. Isn't this the kind of stuff that you teach your kids at home? "If you're gay, you can just say so, we're all human." You're supposed to know and admit that you're gay when you barely hit puberty? Disturbing.
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
30 Jan 13 UTC
So here's why this is a bad plan. One kid "comes out" and becomes the ridicule of the class. Children are very sensitive at this age. One miscalculated comment and you're "the gay kid." You'll have parents all over the place disagreeing with your approach to the subject (and worse, they'd be right this time). You'll confront children with questions that they can best answer with their friends and families in its own good time.

Why not put Johnny and Steve in a textbook? Well, you could do it, but that's the textbook's author's prerogative. Putting this kind of **** in textbooks makes children's education a battleground for all sorts of self-appointed victims. More minorities in maths books, more handicapped people in geography books, and how about singles? Or people who prefer the sexual company of animals in countries where bestiality is legal? Or people who share their lives with inanimate objects? Transsexuals? Don't they deserve a place in our textbooks? How about promiscuous people? Johnny could be a very successful little alpha male and have Stephanie on one arm and Suzie on the other? I'm not against any of these characters appearing in the textbooks, what I'm against is the reason for doing so, pushing a liberal agenda down people's throats.

And shouldn't there be sensitivity lessons to these people too? It's not like we're having enough problems in our education system as it is, why not forget about geography and arithmetic altogether and spend that time on who we're going to feel sorry for tomorrow?!

I think that's a terrible idea. Better to let them feel that the adults are in charge and that when they beat up a kid regardless of sexual orientation, gender, political orientation or color of skin, they'll spend the same time writing "I won't hit the other kids" in a notebook.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMwVsY2FnD8
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
30 Jan 13 UTC
@red to your first argument, again, if you catch it BEFORE they learn to ridicule it, this won't be a problem. For every "mistake" you're so worried about you'll be preventing 20 intentional acts of humiliation.

to your second/third paragraph, that's just a giant slippery slope argument and I'm not going to bother responding. Sometimes things are on a liberal agenda because ITS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

I already responded to your 4th long ago, so I'm not going to recover ground we already went over - you can repeat yourself if you like, ignoring the causes of violence and just focus on punishment. That works REAL WELL here in America.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
30 Jan 13 UTC
anyways, as abge said, nobody is actually trying to put these things in math books. That was just a tangent I went down responding to Mutejus' garbage.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
30 Jan 13 UTC
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YJ
You have a very idealized mind of the child's mind. Every healthy thinking kid in such a class will recognize the cheap attempt to brainwash him and discard whatever the teacher says. I'll certainly instruct mine to have medium-sized objects ready to throw once these disturbed liberal minds start this ill-advised campaign on them.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
30 Jan 13 UTC
Re: responding to garbage with garbage.
I'm glad we settled that :-)
redhouse1938 (429 D)
30 Jan 13 UTC
*image, not mind.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
30 Jan 13 UTC
Oh, so providing facts about homosexuality and facilitating a respectful environment is brainwashing? Would you care to elucidate a bit more on that?
Octavious (2701 D)
30 Jan 13 UTC
I'm finding the assumption that gay sensitivity classes will be effective quite interesting. Especially at the primary school age a child's opinion is dominated by their parents. If you make someone being gay a focus of a child's attention in areas where parents have an anti-gay bias you risk generating a lot of bullying where it may have previously been a non-issue.

Educate the parents. That is the source of the vast majority of childhood opinions.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
31 Jan 13 UTC
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That is an interesting argument, Octavious. It has been demonstrated, however, that societal programs are more effective than parent training alone in the cases of drug abuse prevention:

http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/2002-08252-010

obesity prevention:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1746-1561.2008.00357.x/abstract?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false

and social skills (antisocial deterrent) behavior:

http://ann.sagepub.com/content/587/1/84.short

to name a few I found in just a couple of minutes.

I don't think it unreasonable to assert, then, that childhood social programs are an effective way to stimulate desirable behavior in children.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
31 Jan 13 UTC
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But yes, octavious, educating the parents would also be nice. I forsee difficulties though for the following reasons:

1) it's virtually impossible to implement a mandatory training session with adults. Who has the time?
2) Adults are far more set in their ways then children are. Those with bigoted tendencies require a lot of serious deprogramming to elicit real change. Even parents without radical homophobic issues would still be much more resistant to this than children.
3) The cost of doing so far exceeds childhood training, especially when normalized to your metric of success.
TheMinisterOfWar (553 D)
31 Jan 13 UTC
@Redhouse the burden of proof forrelevance is on the policy to exclude gay examples from school textbooks, not on inclusive textbooks. Of course we should have textbooks relating to ALL sections of societies! Your notion that including this slippery slope is a liberal agenda is really puzzling. It would just be following the non-discrimination principle. Advocating AGAINST inclusice textbooks is something you would need to explain - maybe even to a judge or the ECHR.

But it will do for now to explain more in this thread ;-)

Btw +1 YJ.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
31 Jan 13 UTC
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Like I explained, I'm not against gay couples appearing in textbooks, I'm against politicians interfering in the contents of textbooks and telling authors to put gay couples in it for political reasons. If an author wants to put gay couples in it, that's his choice.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
31 Jan 13 UTC
Wha? Well no, nobody is going to force the content by individual authors. But the government is definitely free to give the contract to a different author.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
31 Jan 13 UTC
hypothetically, since again, this isn't actually happening.
TheMinisterOfWar (553 D)
31 Jan 13 UTC
I think it's particularly weird to think textbooks arent regulated. They are, quite extensively, to make sure students have the proper preparation to actually pass their exams. There is not a single choice in any school textbook made by an individual author, much less one with even a suggestion of political color. Everything is a political choice, whether you chose to ignore it or not.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
31 Jan 13 UTC
Well, MoW, though I agree with the spirit of your last, isn't that a bit of an exaggeration? To my understanding authors have a lot of freedom in their content - then the government picks the book that most fits their needs.

No?
redhouse1938 (429 D)
31 Jan 13 UTC
^That would be the best, if you replace government with school or school cluster. I don't want anybody with an electoral obligation to these liberal nutters to touch these things. Or to conservative nutters for that matter. No nonsense about how the earth was created 6000 years ago and equally no endless blabla about Johnny and Steve.
TheMinisterOfWar (553 D)
31 Jan 13 UTC
Well, maybe. But I just find it naive to think that these choices are made in a political vacuum. These choices are political, even by authors putting examples in, by editors approving them (do they?), by governments picking them (do they dare?).
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
31 Jan 13 UTC
@red: hang on, you may find it "needless," but the information is still factual, which puts in on a whole different level from new earth creationism. The rest of your argument has merit, however, as it goes back to the old "centralized vs. decentralized" power structure. It's a whole different topic and quite beyond the scope of what we're talking about here, I think.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
31 Jan 13 UTC
@MoW, yes, I agree completely.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
31 Jan 13 UTC
Well, it's my thread and it's about something that happened in Holland where groups of schools and individual schools generally take these kinds of decisions with the government taking a distance, I think it's perfectly wihtin the scope of what we're talking about here. :-)

I agree with the qualitative difference between putting in wrong information and presenting correct information differently, however, the NEC example shows the disasters that can occur when government meddles in scientific fact and books.

For me, it's equally disturbing that someone tries to brainwash my nation's kids on homosexuality as it is to brainwash them with a factually wrong explanation on how the earth came into existence. I want their minds pure and their books and teachers pretty much neutral and focused on the essential.

redhouse1938 (429 D)
31 Jan 13 UTC
But I'm repeating myself without presenting much new stuff. Tried to scan the news for interesting events, with France's plans to withdraw from Mali soon standing out as moderately intriguing, so I will troll other people now. Ow hey folks :D
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
31 Jan 13 UTC
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There's that word brainwashing again. I'll again invite you to explain how fomenting respectful and factual behavior is brainwashing.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
31 Jan 13 UTC
By brainwashing I mean instructing kids how to deal with sexually unusual behavior (or let me say, behavior that strangely survived billions of years of evolution that selected primarily the exactly contrary behavior in every generation) when a) they're possibly not emotionally ready to comprehend the topic or form an opinion on it, b) when I believe this is parts of childrens' ethics training that should be performed at home rather than in schools and c) when I believe that children who beat up homosexuals don't have a problem with homosexuality, but simply take out the kid they believe has a psychogolical weakness to piss on and that this tendency to pry on the weak should be addressed in a much more generic manner (including also kids younger than them, girls, etc.)
redhouse1938 (429 D)
31 Jan 13 UTC
*psychological, and that was all written too quickly but you catch my drift..
Octavious (2701 D)
31 Jan 13 UTC
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@ Yellowjacket

Forgive me, but those examples you list of educational successes seem to be focused on issues where the parents are likely to be either in support of the school or showing little interest either way. For subjects such as homosexuality, where some parents (and, indeed, older siblings) will provide the child an actively opposing view, the results may be very different. Even if not the idea of setting teachers against parents in an ideological conflict seems a poor strategy at best.

No, one cannot round up all parents for remedial classes in modern ideas of civalised behavoir, but that is not the only way of educating adults. A few high profile ministers taking part in a gay pride march, for example, or advertising of the problems presented by discrimination on TV would be a useful start.

Ultimately, however, the largest impact can be made by the gay community itself. The progress that could be made, for example, if we had a few openly gay footballers would be huge, as football crowds are one of the last bastions of open homophobia. Sadly, however, none of them are willing to risk their easy livestyles for the sake of making a difference. Understandable, perhaps, but disappointing that they have been unable to show similar levels of courage to the likes of, say, Stephen Fry.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
31 Jan 13 UTC
octavious:

P1: First you say we need to start with the parents, and then you say that that indoctrinating the children through social programs won't work because some parents will be too resistant? That being said, indifferent parents are probably the majority, and those children will fill their minds with whatever trash their peers believe if left in a vacuum. Do you have a problem setting teachers against bigoted parents in the cause of racism? Of holocaust denial? Of religious intolerance? Why this, then?

P2: yes, it would not at all hurt. Some of that is already happening, and school bullying isn't dropping. I find your appeal to religious figures slightly ironic though. Can you name more than 2 that would actually get on board with this? I can't name more than 1. TV advertising is a good idea.

P3: have you been paying attention? The gay community is up in arms! This is their moment, man. And am I mistaken in suggesting that there have been a few recently come out pro footballers? Even if not, you can't spend a hundred generations shaming a certain behavior, and then blaming lack of progress on hi-profile closeted gays who don't want their careers ruined. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's like enslaving the blacks and depriving them of education, then saying they're inferior because they aren't as smart as whites.
ulytau (541 D)
31 Jan 13 UTC
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"Brainwashing" is a major mission of institutional educationl. School is supposed to make a good citizen out of you - learning new information is only a part of that. Redhouse should prepare his children for homeschool if he doesn't want to get his children brainwashed in history class about patriotism towards Netherlands or in ethics class about tolerance to other people.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
31 Jan 13 UTC
Thats basically what I was going to get at uly, but I wanted to make sure we were talking about the same thing first. Well said, all the same.
Octavious (2701 D)
31 Jan 13 UTC
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P3. There are no openly gay top flight footballers. Considering the numbers of footballers (and the fact that there are openly gay rugby players in what is often considered a more macho sport) this is something of a scandal. In the history of the game only one ever had the courage to come out, and that was over 20 years ago.

P1 Unless you're Micheal Jackson (not the distinguised general and former head of the armed forces... the crazy singer freak who ran out of money) you are born into your skin colour, and indeed pick up the bones of your religion by a very early age. These issues are very much in the foreground in primary school and as such must be tackled there. Sexuality is rather different. Whether someone believes the holocaust happened or not seems a totally unconnected issue.

P2. Minister of Parliament, man, not a bloody vicar :p

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Gen. Lee (7588 D(B))
02 Feb 13 UTC
EOG: Gunboat Live-43
gameID=109666
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
01 Feb 13 UTC
Sweden more right wing then America???
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21571136-politicians-both-right-and-left-could-learn-nordic-countries-next-supermodel

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Tolstoy (1962 D)
01 Feb 13 UTC
Why is it considered completely beyond the pale
For an American politician to criticize one particular foreign government the rest of the world has no problem criticizing?
http://mondoweiss.net/2013/01/himself-secretary-defense.html
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