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arhatigan13 (0 DX)
15 Feb 13 UTC
Justin Beiber gay or straight
I will neither confirm nor deny my opinion until 50 comments
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
15 Feb 13 UTC
You are posting too infrequently, please speed up
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
04 Feb 13 UTC
PBM Game
All this PBM talk makes me want to try it. Anyone interested? I'll be looking for very old and very reliable players to try this with.
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Jonathan Enrique (0 DX)
14 Feb 13 UTC
YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT BOLIVIA.
THEY FORCEFEED JALAPENOS TO INFANTS DOWN THERE. DON'T FUCK WITH ME
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AlexNesta (239 D)
15 Feb 13 UTC
Meteor crash in Russia
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=meteor+russia
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SYnapse (0 DX)
15 Feb 13 UTC
Horsemeat variant
Someone make a variant based off this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/panels/13/feb/horsemeatroute/img/graphic_1360859117.gif
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
14 Feb 13 UTC
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Happy Valentine's Day WebDip
bo_sox....will you be my valentine?
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Kubrick (685 D)
15 Feb 13 UTC
How does one report a dubious competitor?
I'm in a game where one player is making moves that help another player, after that player attacked him from the first move. It may not be outright cheating, but it is certainly against the spirit of the rules. I would like an administrator to look into it.
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hecks (164 D)
13 Feb 13 UTC
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Lent: are you giving anything up?
Both sincere and sarcastic responses welcome.
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
15 Feb 13 UTC
Special Rules Gunboat
Old thread locked...... bump.
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KingJohnII (1575 D(B))
14 Feb 13 UTC
New world dip game - no to guns
Game ID 110517
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Jonathan Enrique (0 DX)
14 Feb 13 UTC
This place needs a group Harlem Shake.
Get in on this shit for the inaugural WebDip Harlem Shake.

1. Jonathan Enrique
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Colonel Saloh Cin (100 D)
13 Feb 13 UTC
Dont take the blue pill and let the story end.
You should play The Red Pill, stay in Wonderland, and see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Play "The Red Pill", the password is matrix.
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
13 Feb 13 UTC
Does anyone know much about non-euclidean geometry?
i have some ideas about radii of curvature but not the mathematical language to describe them, nor the axioms and theorems to prove them...
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
13 Feb 13 UTC
Cotton and Brazil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chaf5NHEuYM

how much does the US government pay to Brazilian Cotton farmers each year, and why?
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Victorious (768 D)
13 Feb 13 UTC
Wanna Take over?
Hello All, i want to leave this site for a while, but i have got 2 unending games going. Both are 10 day phases world map gunboats. Is anyone interested in taking them over so i can leave?
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Gigarion (438 D)
14 Feb 13 UTC
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Check out this awesome convoy
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=109079

Combined effort of turkey, france, and england. Only thing that wouldve made it better is if it was the winning SC.
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
13 Feb 13 UTC
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In your face
Dear Mr. Jacket:


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redhouse1938 (429 D)
13 Feb 13 UTC
Difference between European Central Bank and Federal Reserve
Ladies, Gentlemen,
Recently I found out that the Federal Reserve, which sounds like a state agency looking out for the people, is actually privately owned.
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
03 Nov 12 UTC
Gunboat SoW Winter 2012
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=103065

Read the rules in the first post before commenting on this thread. Breaking the rules of this thread will result first in a warning, and then in docked points or a temporary silence just the same as commenting on any gunboat game would.
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2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
01 Feb 13 UTC
Endgame:

Even with the Austrian "sabotage," this game shouldn't have been a solo. I think France deserved it based on his play, but play alone doesn't get you a solo. The biggest barrier to putting up a more stout opposition was Trieste. Once Italy realized the French solo threat, he only had two fleets with no prospects for any more builds. Austria, on the other hand, was rolling over Russia and still fighting with Turkey, who only had the single fleet. To stop the solo in the Med, you need fleets, which was not something that Austria could build because of the silly stab by Italy.
BreathOfVega (597 D)
01 Feb 13 UTC
My EoG, trying not to think of the ending.

First, thanks a lot to Trip for his suggestions, I appreciated them a lot and I think I have learnt something reading his hints (which was the purpose of the game, wasn't it?)
And thanks to Gen.Lee, too!

I think I played quite well, but France came up too soon for a solo. I threw away my chance when I misjudged Italy's intentions (well, his moves were quite ambiguous) and went on defensive, we started a walzer on our borders and, seeing the French threat, I decided to give Trieste up to stop France. Here Italy built an army, but I had everything under control, since Mun and Ber were easy to defend at that point, and Italian armies kept easy his defence in the south (thanks to Turkey for his cooperation).

One thing about StP, I didn't want to take it, I obviously wrote StP - Liv with support in the Fall; it was just to say to France that I wouldn't ever cooperate against Italy and that it was time to accept this draw.
Gen. Lee (7588 D(B))
01 Feb 13 UTC
2WL can you expand upon the E/F/G comments you had. Not specifically in this game but in general tips for the early years with these powers. I have a lot of trouble with this and its frustrating bc given im not facing a 2v1 I can be quite successful with these powers, ha.
hecks (164 D)
01 Feb 13 UTC
I'd like to participate in a future Gunboat SoW with similar commentary in order to get feedback from more experienced players. How does one get involved?
2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
01 Feb 13 UTC
And you call yourself a professor, Gen Lee? I'll write something up.
Gen. Lee (7588 D(B))
01 Feb 13 UTC
nah, just a volunteer subsitute teacher. ;)
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
01 Feb 13 UTC
"Bo_sox has been around for a while, so he has no doubt seen that English opening succeed several times, so I’m guessing you thought it would work against a board of new players."

I'd actually never been able to pull that opening off successfully. I remember that it was seth that talked me into it. It worked well, but so did your stab.

It does leave me vulnerable, and that was my concern the whole time. I'm much better at playing conservative early and being in it at the end rather than taking a big leap forward early and trying to play with the lead throughout the game. I figured that this was my best time to see if I couldn't manage the latter though, and so I tried it. Turned out that it didn't work.

tl;dr - Yes, I was greedy, but I blame my TA :)
2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
01 Feb 13 UTC
E/F/G: The Western Triangle

I always look forward to drawing one of these three countries because I see them as much more fun to play than other, more myopic countries (Turkey, mainly). Playing one of these three is also a good test of your skill as a diplomat or gunboater. All three are very strong countries, to be sure, but you don't have the luxury of a weak neighbor or a buffer of neutrals. It's a rare game of Diplomacy that Belgium, Holland, Sweden, and Norway aren't claimed by 1902. Negotiations between E/F/G are often tense, hinging on only a few territories and a few centers. For sake of this thread, I'll focus on gunboat only, but most of the same principles apply to full press as well.

There are a few key ideas to keep in mind in any game of Diplomacy, whether it's full press, public, or gunboat. Keep these in mind when strategizing (Jake Orion gives seven helpful tips at http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/resources/strategy/articles/opening_strategy1.htm). I paraphrase for gunboat:

Don't be overly aggressive.
Don't be greedy.
Don't push unless pushed.

DON'T BE OVERLY AGGRESSIVE

E/F/G exist in a quasi-balanced state at the beginning of the game. Each will have difficulty attacking the other without help from the third. In gunboat, you don't have the luxury of making definite plans with the other two, so all you have to go by are moves. This makes your opening moves all the more important. If you declare your intentions early on, it makes your moves that much more easy to counter.

DON'T BE GREEDY

In the E/F/G triangle, like I mentioned before, there are a limited number of centers from which to choose in 1901. England normally gets Norway, Germany normally gets Denmark and Holland, France normally gets Spain and Portugal, leaving Belgium as the only true "neutral" center. Belgium is usually the first point of contention between the three powers in F1901 and S1902. As such, it can usually determine how each power will approach the other two. This can be a luxury for England, as he can sit back and see how F/G approaches Belgium - does F build two armies, one fleet and one army, or two fleets? Does Germany build two armies or one of each? Is the fleet in Kiel or Berlin? Did France move his fleet to Portugal or Spain? Likewise, should England attempt to take Sweden early on, he sends a signal to France that his rear will likely be vulnerable. But by building two fleets to presumably attack England, Germany will be able to exploit your land weakness and easily push into Burgundy.

DON'T PUSH UNLESS PUSHED

This goes hand-in-hand with being greedy. Early aggression can often backfire. This goes for all countries in Diplomacy, but moreso for the E/F/G trio. Attacking only creates enemies, and sometimes more than one. E/F/G are nicely balanced and upsetting that balance can often have consequences for the aggressor.

To take this one step further, keep in mind the arrangement of centers and neutral spaces surrounding E/F/G home centers. Suppose that Germany gets bold and takes Burgundy in S1902, much to France's chagrin, as he has built two fleets. Germany can easily take Belgium, yes, but then what? France can still easily defend Paris and Marseilles from any incursion beyond Burgundy, the likelihood of which is slim when Germany only has five or six units as well as England to contend with. Likewise, should England get greedy and take the Channel in 1901, the likelihood of him advancing beyond Belgium or Picardy without Russia jamming him in the rear is low. The risk/reward for an early game attack is very low and will often result in a drawn-out stalemate which wastes both time and units.


So that, in an overly simplistic nutshell, is my take on the relationship between E/F/G in gunboat. Of course, Diplomacy is far more nuanced than I let on, and players are unpredictable, and there are no seven way draws. Keep those principles in mind, though, and you're likely prevent yourself from doing something stupid and maybe even doing well in a game or two.
Gen. Lee (7588 D(B))
02 Feb 13 UTC
Very nice explanation 2wl, thanks
AviF (726 D)
03 Feb 13 UTC
First of all I’d like to thank Gen Lee for the commentary which I found quite helpful. Secondly, I’ve never done an EOG so let me try my hand at it.

1901

In spring I went with what seems to be a very standard opening so there isn’t much to discuss there. I considered giving France Belgium as a sign of good faith but then I saw that he had intended to move to burgundy with support. This made me feel uneasy about him so I moved to Belgium hoping to show England that I wasn’t going for him so that he would either help me with France or at least leave me alone. I didn’t very much like the fact that England moved to Ska because that was threatened me but then in Builds France built a fleet in Brest so I hoped that England would feel threatened and want me to do well against France.

1902
In spring my fight with France seems to be going well as I grab Belgium and keep him out of Burgandy. I was hoping to get England to take Sweden with Ska but mostly issued that support to Sweden to foster a good relationship with him and dissuade a stab. Meanwhile France moved to MAO and English Channel which made me feel more comfortable with England not wanting to stab me for fear of me working things out with France. In retreats Russia moved to Baltic and that I think was something that really started to slow me down. In Autumn I had to give up Burgundy while self bouncing to make sure Russia doesn’t take a shot at Berlin. Then I built an army in Berlin which was probably a pretty big mistake. I forget exactly but I think my thinking at the time was something along the lines of that army being able to eventually move west more easily than a fleet and help against France or maybe trying to seem less threatening to Russia. Either way, it was pretty useless as 2WL said.

1903

In spring my more easterly units were pretty useless and didn’t gain me anything while on the western front I don’t see what I could have done to prevent the loss of Belgium. The autumn was much of the same. I guess attacking Belgium was pretty obvious so I could have gone for Burgundy but he could have easily defended Burgundy as well so that is not something I will lose too much sleep on. In the north I was happy to see England move out of Ska but all in all this was a mostly useless year for me.

1904

In the spring I probably made my second significant mistake of the game. I decided that I should support Holland to Belgium instead of Ruhr to Belgium. This was obviously a pretty big mistake and I think the reasoning I had was something to do with not wanting to leave Ruhr open. This was compounded by the fact that France was really breaking through England who was out of position by mostly being too far east so it was starting to look bad like France would be able to single handedly beat both of us. Autumn worked out a bit better than spring for me. I managed to get to Burgundy and with Russia out of the Baltic I finally was able to start moving the Berlin army west. At this point in the north I was losing hope in England and I felt I needed some growth for myself so I decided to signal for England to help me into Sweden which never ended up happening.

1905

Spring was very unsuccessful. As 2WL mentioned, I should have cut support from Picardy and then taken Belgium like that. Then in the north after trying to ask England to support me into Sweden he chose not to. Maybe if Spring ’05 went differently and I got Belgium and Sweden this game could have gone a bit differently since then I would have been able to build a fleet in Kiel and could have defended myself better but instead with a French fleet in the English Channel Belgium was lost to me and I just got sent back to where I came from and I had to stop thinking about Sweden in order to keep France out of the North Sea.

1906

With it being pretty clear that I wouldn’t be able to make it past France, England being essentially gone even though Russia was weak I saw the French call for peace and saw it as a sliver of hope. When he continued to show support holds in autumn I thought he might be serious.

1907

In spring I started my role as a new found country working with France who I had previously constantly fought against. I moved my fleet to Ska hoping to scrap up some of England’s remains but then in autumn my illusion was shattered with France breaking our truce with an, at first, unsuccessful stab.

1908

At first I was hoping to continue to take some of England’s remain centres since he’d be no help to me anyways while holding my line against France. Then Russia retreated into my territory which did not help my cause. In autumn I managed to keep all my centres including my new found Swedish centre and even got a build. This was all very nice even though my doom was pretty inevitable considering how surrounded I was by France.

1909

In the spring France moves gets through with Austria moving in from the other side I realize the only centres that really matter are Munich and Berlin seeing as they are part of the stalemate line so I start falling back to them.

1910- Spring 1913

Here I just hold Berlin and Munich hoping that France won’t pull back and if he does that Austria will take pity on me but mostly realizing I am not necessary for the draw and that I will likely be knocked out.

Autumn 1913

France pulls back

1914

Austria makes my cities his new home.

So ya that was my perspective of the game (well atleast the north western part of the game seeing as until the very end Austria, Italy, and Turkey had very little interaction with me. Yes their play did affect me such as Italy going for a Lepanto helping France grow. It definitely wasn’t my best game (well I have only played two gunboat games and I managed to pull off a draw in that other one so I guess this doesn’t say much) but I enjoyed it and I think (hope?) I learned a lot. Thank you again to Gen Lee and everyone else who helped make this happen. I look forward to seeing everyone else’s thoughts.
AviF (726 D)
03 Feb 13 UTC
Also now I realize that I only used male pronouns which I should probably stop doing. Sorry.
erist (228 D(B))
13 Feb 13 UTC
Turkish EOG:

At the beginning we were screwed. Then for some reason Italy decided to attack Austria before they finished me off. I breathed a sigh of relief and tried to take a helpful position in a stalemate line. It was a strange "learning game" as I felt like most of my moves were preordained at all times, just unlucky to be ganged up on at the beginning and then lucky to have the war ease-up, but not much I could do other than go to the Ionian and support hold.


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krellin (80 DX)
12 Feb 13 UTC
To Cathlics - Resigning as Voice of God?
OK...I thought it was, "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me..." and the Pope, who --- isn't he like the Voice of God on earth?? -- is too tired to go on? Errr...it isn't about his strength...it's supposed to be about Christ's strength, isn't it? How disappointing is this to Catholics?
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
12 Feb 13 UTC
EOG - "Horrible Players Wanted" - Free Victor Bout
Probably won't have time to write up tonight. Mapu, please ping the other players to post if you want their feedback. I'll post tomorrow.
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
18 Jan 13 UTC
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What new features would you like to see on WebDip?
Think of this as a wishlist. Please be constructive and positive. I think it would be really good if we can come up with a solid list of 6-10 things that we can slowly work on to improve the site.
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
11 Feb 13 UTC
Polite way to address woman
How does one address a woman via email in a professional setting?

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fulhamish (4134 D)
13 Feb 13 UTC
2000 year old computer
Anyone interested either in history or the benefits of inter-disciplinary science might give this program a try: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01hlkcq
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Maniac (189 D(B))
11 Feb 13 UTC
Pope Resigns
Shock news
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
09 Feb 13 UTC
webDip slow?
Anyone else having serious loading problems with webDip?
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Greetings
I am looking for decent players interested in joining my first game on this site (though I have played Diplomacy before). I hope you will find the settings satisfactory, and the gameplay of high quality. Let us see if I can honor my namesake's legacy.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=110443
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hecks (164 D)
12 Feb 13 UTC
Wrestling Dropped from Olympic Games.
http://espn.go.com/olympics/wrestling/story/_/id/8939185/ioc-drops-wrestling-2020-olympics

I don't understand how canoeing, handball, badminton, taekwondo, and table tennis can survive as "core sports", but wrestling, that most traditional of Olympic sports, gets placed on par with wakeboarding, roller sports, and squash.
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randylubin (155 D)
13 Feb 13 UTC
Unpause request, v2
Our game gameID=109269 is having difficulties unpausing. Mod abgemacht offered to help but it took a little while to rally the players to post properly in the chat area.
We've now all posted '/unpause' and would appreciate some quick help. Thanks!
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