@ND

alright that's all fine. i personally think i disagree with you on climate change itself, but i feel like there's been a fairly bipartisan solution of nuclear energy for quite a while, but many Americans have a very scientifically regressive view of Nuclear. I mean FRANCE the home of all liberals has utilized it to a great degree, and although they too are looking for efficient alternative energies... the correct answer isn't "ew nuclear is scary let's never update facilities and bury the waste underground"

if we had been researching nuclear technology and learning (like the french) the cleaner and economically beneficial recycling practices we'd be in such a good position right now in terms of energy costs, independence, and our naton's ecology.

but sadly that's been ignored in the conversation, ESPECIALLY by democrats

@JY Sadly that is politically toxic among many, partly because of secrecy, fear, association with weapons, environmental damage (the kind which hit long mile island).

Now none of those are reasons to reject nuclear, but what is the politic thing to do isn't always the most efficient. Green technologies have a different reputation and emotional associations. Just like ND seems to have an affinity for coal, whatpeople prefer often comes down to something other than scientific literacy - a skill which is sadly lacking among many.

@ND, have you considered moving to China and becoming a coal miner?

Nuclear power is often a hyper hysterical issue because people get scared because of the word nuclear. It's more of a public relations thing. If it was actually modernized and implemented across the United States then things would be a lot better. I agree with you there and it is fine if we disagree on climate change. People need to understand we can still be civil and respectful but disagree. That is essentially the basis of a civil society.

@Orathaic: Coal is a means to an end. Essentially it helps the economy by having affordable monthly electric bills. Regulating it out of existence hurts folks because it means they have to pay more and more. We need a viable alternative that can be implemented and not cost consumers (i.e. nuclear -right now-). I have no desire to be a coal miner haha.

Um. Yea saying we need to purge the world of republicans is the type of facist crap thry dream democrats would say. Dont be that guy jamie. Dont validate such filth

Thanks Brain I know we don't agree often but I appreciate that comment.

Acid rain was a hoax! #FakeNews

Nuclear isuch scarier than coal. But watt for watt, i believe coal still kills the most people world wide. Mostly from respiratory illness, nuclear doesn't come close.

Solar one the other hand, is one of the safest, most deaths related to solar involve people falling of roofs when trying to install solar panels... Far smaller number.

Sorry, my bad I was thinking of Wyoming. So Montana has 1/40th the population of California but has the same representation. Really everything from Idaho to Colorado ought to be merged into Colorado to make a real state.

And, the facts show that Hillary Clinton was by FAR the most truth telling politician in that race, followed by Sanders. Sorry, that's just how it is.
And yes, muting ND is the way to go.

BB, given that Republicanism is basically rehashed racism, authoritarianism, and sexism, with a dash of neofeudal economics, just what is the rationale behind suggesting we ought to keep ANY of that stuff around. "Oh, be nice to the racists! They're so cute!"

eff that

Lol Hillary Clinton "told" the truth. HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH

Yes "eff that" and "eff" people who want to have a civil debate without threatening others with violence! "eff that!"

Ora, how could you believe that nuclear is scarier than coal? Fission disasters happen because of poor judgment (such as a plant like Fukushima, built on a vulnerable shoreline and an active fault line), bad safety standards (such as those resulting in most of the disasters in the United States, as well as Chernobyl), operator or worker error (which is no different in coal mines; see Centralia, PA, USA), or a natural disaster outside of the control of basically anyone, but again, that can be the case with a coal mine as well. Disasters in coal mines, like that in Centralia, can be just as long-lasting as any nuclear disaster, and cave-ins leave mine tunnels obsolete, not to mention the hundreds of miners behind the cave-in that can literally suffocate to death while waiting to be rescued, if they are ever rescued at all. Issues stemming from nuclear waste on an environmental level are no more scary than the prospect of blasting away mountaintops or other viable areas with dynamite in order to access the resources below, the primary difference being that nuclear waste contamination is not guaranteed to happen in order to access the resources to begin with, whereas blasting nowadays often is. On top of that, as I think you seem to acknowledge, coal burning is far, far more devastating for our health and for the health of the biological communities living in a coal-burning area than nuclear power ever would be, barring a total meltdown on a Chernobyl type of scale.

And, if you forget that fission is not the ultimate nuclear technology (fusion is) that we are shooting for, whereas coal mining is at its most refined and most complete foreseeable state and coal burning is at its least impactful and least devastating state right now, you're out of your mind. Successful transmission of energy via nuclear fusion and safe storage of said energy would solve our energy problems, just like that.

Zombies are scarier than coal too Bo. Let's face it, anything that does incremental damage to millions of people gets a free ride in public perception compared to rare events that are scarier, even when the probability of those rare events is near zero. If our brains were wired for complex risk analysis we'd be terrified of cars and coal, and wouldn't care so much about nuclear power or even terrorism.

Ogion - I fundamentally find any political party that does not embrace environmentalism as being a party of money grubbing and destruction. You dont need to preach to me. However saying republicans dont deserve to exist is pretty much calling for a hitler-like gemocide. There are plenty of sane, important republicans in power. They have dumb constituents at times or cave to pressure but certainly theres some brave ones and some idiots.

Keep in mind most of these guys are well educated and successful. They may not be able to tell you what happens to a whale when shell does seismic blasting and frankly the avg person is too stupid to research what big energy does. So I dont blame them enough to think the solution is a societal purge

As I said before and I will post it again for you numbskulls. Puerto Rico doesn't want to be a state. If they did it would have happened long ago.
And it isn't because of the republicans. And stop making stupid comments

You're still on the first half of page 1, Brad. This thread has long derailed since then.

Just fuck off and don't bother. I'll mute you to save us both the time. If this goes on I'll just get banned again, because I think the world would be better off without you living in it, jamiet

Bo I was responding to those who claim that we abandoned the topic. And for you young minds, the KKK was an invention of the southern democrat party to keep power by repressing republican voters.

And it isn't because of the republicans. And stop making stupid comments

Banned again? Did I miss a banning?

Nah, I just pasted jamiet's rant and put his name in it.

Brainbomd, the California Democrats are a party of money grubbing and destruction. They increase taxes and then give fat raises to the prison union and teachers union all the while as the prisons are overcrowded and the schools are failing.

Maybe stop throwing people in prison for minor drug offenses if you want to reduce overcrowding. Of course, that might interfere with the whole private prison business model.

Ha ha! This is the liberal controlled state that incarcerates at a high level and passes ridiculous laws to put more people in jail, and punishes successful people, imports undocumented persons and then pays for their 'rights' while stripping citizens of theirs and taxing everything they can get their hands on. Worse, the front runners for governor are both failed mayors of the two largest cities. They are transforming paradise into hell

You would have a point brainbomb if the only way to stop being Repubkican (i.e. Racist, sexist, etc) was to die. One can also change ones views to a wiser more compassionate view. I still am of the opinion that republicans should ideally should be an extinct ideology. So should nazism and other forms of white supremacism. I find it horrifying how many seem to find that a controversial view

The Democrats invented the KKK and the Confederacy I guess they should be the extinct ideology.

Both parties should.

California uber alles.

Haters gonna hate.

Plenty of red states have overpopulated prisons too. Seems like a systematic problem that doesn't fall along partisan lines, but don't let that spoil your tribal rants.