And I should probably wait until I'm not phone posting before posting another response, because that's kind of brutal to read. My bad.

Petition #2: Add Europe 1939 to the site.

Pros:
- Balanced
- 8 players
- Made by a trusted WebDip admin (HR)
- WW2

Cons:
- N/A

So I think adding Chaos on it's own would be a questionable choice. But there is proof that people play the World map. Not a ton, but enough that if people are enjoying it we should keep it. So we aren't "adding" chaos, we're replacing an unbalanced, buggy map with a far better one that is one of the highest class variants around.

The known world is already replacing World map (which is unbalance and buggy as stated by several others).

I think basically I am looking to add one more variant, be it Chaos, Pure, Europe 1939 or whatever. We just need to have a discussion about which one to add and pros/cons.

Why only one more? Is the variant fund running low? :(

I think adding one more additional "normalish" variant would be awesome. Chaos is going to be one of those things where we only have a few games a year, because of the sheer size and organizing involved.

@flum - a 17 player world game is already hard to fill. A 34 player game is literally double the amount of players. There's already a site with the map loaded and operational. It's just a waste of this sites time to add this map of less than a game of it will be played monthly. That's in all seriousness. I feel that way about any addition. I can honestly see dozens of FOW games being played; dozens of 1v1. I just don't see us filling enough chaos games to make it worth it.

Maybe you should consider reading other people's posts instead of just considering only your own mighty opinion, as mighty as it is. That issue has been raised in this thread.

Are there more people that have an opinion about the maps Cold War (http://vdiplomacy.net/variants.php?variantID=91) and Treaty of Verdun (http://vdiplomacy.net/variants.php?variantID=58)?
Cold War would, in my opinion, be a good addition to the 1vs1 variants.
Treaty of Verdun would be an even greater addition to the site, I think, because it is something new; we haven't planned 3-player maps yet. And since it is a 3-player map, it is very easy to fill.

Despite the fact that I started the petition thread and that I really enjoy Chaos, I would question the sense in porting it across. The reason you can't get that variant off the ground often on vDip isn't just due to a lacking playerbase, it's due to the fact that Chaos is a fantastic variant to play once in a while. I imagine that if Chaos was brought across, 4-5 games would instantly start, and then barely any games would ever fill after that, because it would have lost the appeal of being something new and different.

I think a good way to do it, though, would be to have a 'Chaos Week' once every six months, where you allow people to create and join Chaos variant games. After that week, the games that have started can be played out, and the option to create them is once again disabled. It's a nice way to bring something new to the site without wearing out its novelty.

Ah, forgive me, mighty Zultar, for having an unsanctioned opinion. I have seen nothing but support for Europe 1939 from other people's post, so it's not only my opinion.

Expanding on my above post...

A 'variant rotation' where games of a different variant can be created every 2 weeks or so (and then are disabled again when a new one is enabled) would be pretty awesome. Not sure how much work that would be though.

@CB, maybe the reason the 17 player variant has a hard time filling is not because it's 17 players but because the variant sucks.

Yeah no kidding. World Dip is the worst thing I've ever played, Diplomacy-wise.

Playing FUBAR and WWII on vdip makes me like World Dip far more than I did before. At least some thought went into it.

That said, it is a bad variant.

Yeah, Europe 1939 is pretty damn cool. Any thoughts on Heptarchy?

Actually, forgetting Europe 1939 for a moment, there's one map I want that ISNT A VARIANT!

COLONIAL DIPLOMACY!

Sold in retail! It's an OFFICIAL Diplomacy map.

The 1 vs 1 or 3 players in classic map is cool

Yep! Would one hundred percent be behind Colonial. A vast map with loads of boltholes - great for weekend play! It's my favourite face to face map, for sure.

My understanding is that Colonial isn't fully functional on vDip right now. Is that wrong?

Oli fixed it - it should be fully functional now.

One would hope we can get a new version working. It isn't the most complex of mechanics, but then I'm not a CS expert, so what do I know?

@Captainmeme Hell yeah!

IDK. At the moment, something like:
Heptarchy
Verdun
Colonial
Europe 1939

All good fun. I'd be happy with two out of those four implimented.

There is a Colonial+Classic vRiant called Youngstown, right?

http://vdiplomacy.net/variants.php?variantID=59

Actually, not classic, it has some of the changes from Milan, an a few other modifications; but you can still see a lit if the classic map in there.

Youngstown is cool but it doesn't have the classic webdip map look

It is the topology i'm looking for, not the appearance. Have you seen some of the topological maps?

Like this one: http://www.crockford.com/wrrrld/diplomacy.html

Or i like this one: http://diplom.org/Online/maps/stdmap.gif