And you need to shut up now because I am asking for serious players. Both WTA and PPSC have serious players (weird, I thought I already said this)

"WTA is business"
"[WTA adds] pressure for players to not fool around"
-StevenC

Right then, let's play a serious PPSC game! lololololololol

You may be right, some serious players subject themselves to PPSC, but you're having a hard time finding seven of them eh?

Sorry. Six.

Hehe. Yeah, but I put in a 5 day deadline.

so....bump

Lets be fair guys. Just because someone doesn't have the balls to play WTA doesn't mean we should harass them. They go through enough.

Oh no. Don't even play around like that because I am in no particular mood right now, Centurian. I can play WTA games (leagues, TMG Masters, hello?).

You guys talk like WTA is fucking perfect and PPSC is trash. WTA has it's own fucking issues, too.

I would play if it started sometime next week. By then some of my games would be wrapping up, and I could fulfill the time commitment.

Hmm, really? Damn. I had to pick a busy week

Yeah, but if you start this up again in the near future, shoot me a PM and I will probably join.

Okay...

Hahaha, relax I was kidding.

But two points. 1) Most people who want in on the high level games play mostly or exclusively wta. 2) hellalt can convince people to let him win in ppsc, haha I rest my case.

I dunno. I agree with the person who said it just depends on who you play with. Myself I've played a lot of PPSC, not a lot of WTA, but I feel they are about the same. The big difference is that WTA is a lot more stressful, but in the same sense, more fun and high tension.

My view is this: I'd like to do what I can (and have done what I can) to get a very large amount of points, so that from there, once I have a lot, I can just drop a whole lot of points on a game I'm not really sure I'll win, so that I can play with the big dogs and really get good. If I do that prematurely... I'll just be down in the dumps forced to play with noobs. No fun, that.

So yes I play a lot of PPSC. I think you'll find me a very serious player though, no matter which style we're talking. I am actively trying to convince myself that a 50+ pot is really not a lot for someone with my points, but it's not easy. I am also trying to join games with pros, and that is not easy either. I'm working up to it, but I think there will always be a place in my heart for PPSC.

Because, to the others who said "there is no second place in war," hell yeah there is.

Second place is probably more important than first. I can't count the number of times someone won just because they reached the arbitrary 18 sc count quickly enough before the resistance could get organized. If you think 18 is enough to guarantee domination of the whole board, you're fooling yourself.

And looking at just like, you know, real history. Arguably a lot of "second-place" forces have gone on to shape the world in profound ways. Morgan Tsvangirai, Japan to China, India to China, Germany after WWI to the Allies for God's sake. The Native Americans for god's sake. Corn? I mean yeah they were second place, but that matters a lot!

But that's just semantics I think whoever said that was just intentionally trying to sound like a competitive dick ;)

lol. WTA is a lot of fun though I'm not knocking that at all, don't get me wrong here.

But... to open a new thought:

My two cents on gunboat?
It sucks. Why not just play risk?

Same here. To me, it's a 7 sided chess game and you try to out guess the other players which isn't fun without the verbal communication.

I use gunboat games to keep my tactical mind awake. It often helps me see through the bullshit of my regular games and guess exactly how someone is going to stab me.

Summary of your first post: Play PPSC to get points so you can play WTA without feeling bad if you lose.

Pretty much.

Speaking of WTA, anyone here interested in a live WTA game tonight, it's cheap too so you won't feel too bad if you lose: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=15325 click if interested, thanks, sorry to interupt but this is kinda related to the topic

Hehe...

You're not wrong Geo. But so what?

As long as the points carry any manner of prestige or respect, which they do as flawed as they are, I'm going to hang on to them as much as I can.

I'm not a gambler, sorry. I do respect the purity and skill in WTA matches though, so that's why they're my ultimate goal.

Centurian, I expected a little more respect from someone will less wins than me :P
I rest my case.

Sigh... I've calmed down now. :D

...hellalt, I have more wins than you. (Not that number of wins equates skill)

And even if I didn't, thats my point. Winning in ppsc is easy because keeping people divided is easier because sometimes they have a vested interest in staying divided.

It seems to me that most people are afraid of WTA because there points are more at risk. I find WTA to be more rewarding in points. IF I dominate, I'm going to get everything. But in most cases its pretty easy to lock the game down into a draw and get a nice return on your investment.

I don't like draws. What's the point wasting time playing just to finish a game without a result?
My objection about wta is that you may play very nice but if you finish 2nd you don't get anything at all.

If someone else wins you didn't play very nice.

First is all, second is nothing.
Just too American for my taste.

Grr-ness...

If I lower the phase length will players join?