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The Big Doak (100 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
Game Limit
I know there are no limits to the number of games you can play at one time. Does anyone have their own personal limits, though? I find that if I play too few games I am eager to join more, but every once in a while I join a few too many games and lose focus and miss a few moves here and there. What are your thoughts?
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
27 Oct 09 UTC
New game - 101 point starting bid - PPSC - 1 day / turn
gameID=14720 Please join a good old fashioned 'normal' game.
Anyone is welcome except hellalt.
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Wolf89 (215 D)
27 Oct 09 UTC
Webdiplomacy-related websites
hello, I know that there are many websites regarding webdiplomacy around the net... for example the page for the leagues, stats, etc...
how can I find them?
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SteevoKun (588 D)
27 Oct 09 UTC
Live game anyone?
I don't know how many people are online this late at night, but I work graveyard and can play all night, so let me know if y'all wanna play.
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jeghang (94 DX)
27 Oct 09 UTC
Little technical issue
When I click on two of my games, it says I am being redirected to the game and it never actually lets me into the game page. Does anyone know how to fix this problem?
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cwute (0 DX)
27 Oct 09 UTC
Why don't games advance if all players have finalised?
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=14567#gamePanel
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icecream777 (100 D)
27 Oct 09 UTC
Anyone wanna take over?
gameID=14699# I'm about to leave this game, anyone who wishes to take over Russia please comment
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cwute (0 DX)
27 Oct 09 UTC
10 mins, 5 pts- join now!!
Last game 5 mins 5 pts ended since only 4 joined- we need 7- come on!!
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cwute (0 DX)
27 Oct 09 UTC
SIGH... Anyone want to join a fast ame? 5-10 min turns?
Pls list here so i can create... otherwise whats the point in live games at all?
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cwute (0 DX)
27 Oct 09 UTC
Live GAME- 5mins 5 pts
PLS join
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Greenzao (184 D)
27 Oct 09 UTC
live game
live game starting in 2 min
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dave bishop (4694 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
Mod help needed please.
We can't unpause a live game as there is no option to vote unpause.
Despite the fact its already paused, we can only vote to pause again.
gameID=14662
Thanks
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Lodevicus (227 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
What IS gunboat?
what are gunboat games? can someone explain the rules and whatnot?
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
25 Oct 09 UTC
New Ghost-Rating Lists http://phpdiplomacy.tournaments.googlepages.com/
At last! I will re-update on 1st November, but thought I'd call the most up to date list "November" anyway... continued inside...
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denis (864 D)
27 Oct 09 UTC
Game with a strange bet 2
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=4650&viewArchive=Maps

thanks for a great game ag7433, silver wolf, alkilies.
Any end of game statements or commentary.
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Maniac (184 D(B))
19 Oct 09 UTC
Diplomacy League A Betting
Odds follow
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klokskap (550 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
Live Game
gameID=14705

5 min/phase, 10 D, anonymous.
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MarekP (12864 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
5-centre Turkey available
You can take over a 5-centre Turkey in an excellent shape, without any immediate threat and with great expansion potential:

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=13795
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Sicarius (673 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
Thoughts?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/6433980/Peaceful-protesters-included-on-police-database-of-domestic-extremists.html
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Ivo_ivanov (7545 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
@ Draugnar, fair enough, this makes sense. The original version didn't :)
Draugnar (0 DX)
26 Oct 09 UTC
Sorry, should have mentioned that we had approached the school first. I did mention we had gone to the cops first.
Sicarius (673 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
wait wait wait, you think ghandis non-violence was the main reason that india won its independence? really?
Tolstoy (1962 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
Draugnar,

I believe you and your neighbors are technically committing acts of terrorism.

;-)
orathaic (1009 D(B))
26 Oct 09 UTC
@sic: i think the point here is they are treating 'normal' protesters as 'extremists' and thus us normals don't want to be seen working with you 'extremists' when it comes to chaning this law.

Further within the government/department of justice/police force those who support these measures are likely to use extremist actions by protesters to support keeping the laws as they are now, and looking for further measures to extend their powers. You strengthen their arguements, and weaken our goals.
Ivo_ivanov (7545 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
"wait wait wait, you think ghandis non-violence was the main reason that india won its independence? really?"

Yes. Surely other factors player a role too, but I think it's fair to say without Ghandi things would have happened at a different time and in a different manner.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
26 Oct 09 UTC
So fire-bombing makes you more deserving of thre treatment you are trying to oppose, thus we don't want to allow that tactic to be used for we think it is counter-productive.

If you think letter writing if unproductive that is one thing, so go further, appeal to the masses, get yourself elected on a platform opposing these individuals, if your message is actually worthwhile you will succeed; though people may just dredge up your comments about firebombing things, and you'll be branded an extremist - which of course will hurt your popularity...
Draugnar (0 DX)
26 Oct 09 UTC
Actually, we may be. But the question is, while we are using a modicum of violence as a deterrent, are our goals to truly terrorize someone? No, our targets are never followed up on (unless they return and get a repeat peformance for their actions) and our goals were not to infringe upon their rights in any way. What we really are would be called vigilanties. and technically it is a crime, but the cops tend to look the other way when vigilantism is kept to discouragement and actually support it in some cases (like the Guardian Angels and neighborhood watches). Now, would they support ours? Not likely. But they also won't actively discourage it beyond the official "that's a no no" speech.
stratagos (3269 D(S))
26 Oct 09 UTC
@sic - you miss my point. Again. What a shocker.

The point is, Ghandi had a net positive influence on the issue of Indian Independence. He would have had less of an impact if he had been able to be marginalized by the Brits.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
26 Oct 09 UTC
Ghandi learned a lot from the Irish struggle for independance from the UK, fortunately the UK also learned a lot from the Irish expierence, and thus they treated independance of the Indian Empire in a different way.

So while some peaceful protesters may have failed had history not been going their way, other groups have learned from the past and changed their tactics.
Ivo_ivanov (7545 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
@Draugnar, I believe what you're trying to explain is that you're ultra-territorial. This is common among some species. My cat is also like this. Makes a hissing noise, just like the tires I presume. Coincidence? :)
Sicarius (673 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
"wait wait wait, you think ghandis non-violence was the main reason that india won its independence? really?"

Yes.

Again I strongly reccomend gelderloos' book. he presents a much more well-worded and logical argument against this that I can come up with
Ivo_ivanov (7545 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
Just, please, tell me you're not also 'marking' the cars? :)
Draugnar (0 DX)
26 Oct 09 UTC
LOL! Love it, Ivo. And yeah, I guess I qualify under that. I had someone park in my drive one day and I literally towed their car to the street with my SUV. Taught them about blocking someone's private drive. They were lucky I wasn't home when they parked so they got chain dragged rather than bumper pushed.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
26 Oct 09 UTC
@Draug: yes you are not using terror tactics, that would involve writing threatening messages on the cars of the offenders. (though i am amused by the inherent contradiction of the tactic you use - it is harder for them to move their car if you burst their tires, city councils clamping cars in 'free lanes' use a similarily paradoxical tactic)

so yeah, vigilanteism, and taking advantage of the lack of available police enforcement who don't have time to investigate your minor acts of vandalism (nor the original parking violaitons...) I think you're making the best of a flawed system.
Draugnar (0 DX)
26 Oct 09 UTC
Nah, but I let my dog do it. Of course, a dachshund can't exactly get up hi when he marks their tires, but he does a number on a whitewall, let me tell ya!
Jerkface (1626 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
Sic, you still haven't really answered the question of how far your solidarity would go. Would you really support (even if silently) the murder of the entire family of a CEO of a major Bad Guy company just because a compatriot of yours did it and "for the right reasons"?
stratagos (3269 D(S))
26 Oct 09 UTC
@ Sic, send me an ebook and I will read it.

What, it's not like you're *stealing* from him, after all!


(Note: I *will* read it, but it may take a bit - fending for the family takes priority)
Draugnar (0 DX)
26 Oct 09 UTC
My favorite one was when some idiot parked in fornt of my drive facing the wrong way. I wasn't going anywhere, but he pissed me off, so I pulled the Explorer to within inches of his door, locked it up, and refused to answer the door the rest of the night, until the cops came. I asked them if I was breaking the law. they said, "No but would [I] move it anyhow?" I asked if they were giving him a ticket for blocking a private drive and they said they were so I said, "Sure. In the morning I'll drive around him to go to work and he can get in then, or he can climb over from the passenger side. I don't care which." I guess he climbed over cause they went away and it was gone in the morning.

P.S. When it comes to my house and my drive way, I am a prick. I have a right to be. I own it. I paid for it. I maintain it. And, by God, it is *mine* to use, not some squatter like Sic who has no respect for property.
Ivo_ivanov (7545 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
You and Sicarius would make a lovely couple, yes :)
stratagos (3269 D(S))
26 Oct 09 UTC
I didn't realize this was one of the books you were offering earlier, Sic, but given that your left leaning author friend is apparently an anarchist, I doubt he'll mind me stealing his work.

Be aware, though, that I'm not exactly going to be looking at this with an open mind - I admit this right now. I am hardly a rigo ht wing nutjob, but anarchists (in general) just make me want to them what Davan does on something positive (wish I could find the link)
Sicarius (673 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
Sic, you still haven't really answered the question of how far your solidarity would go. Would you really support (even if silently) the murder of the entire family of a CEO of a major Bad Guy company just because a compatriot of yours did it and "for the right reasons"?

I dont know, I suppose I would have to be placed in that situation.

whats your email strategos?
of course, fending for your family should take priority, I completely underdstand
stratagos (3269 D(S))
26 Oct 09 UTC
Found it:
http://somethingpositive.net/sp12102002.shtml

Use stratagos2000@yahoo
stratagos (3269 D(S))
26 Oct 09 UTC
Got it. I'll read it on the plane on my way to beautiful Tusla, OK this week
Jamiet99uk (808 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
Jeezus, this thread has been galloping ahead since I went for dinner. I'll have a quick read and get back to you all shortly...
Maniac (184 D(B))
26 Oct 09 UTC
Just caught up with this thread and as a resident of the UK I would be appauled if the government and [not so secret] police had a blacklist and I wasn't on it.

I have nothing to hide and would be happy with ID cards and the like, but only if an elected government brought them in. In the meantime I think the best way of tackling any percieved threat of big-brother is just to make the system unwieldy, make sure everyone gets themselves on the blacklist, the police can't stop everybody everyday and soon they will realise that a more targetted approach at preventing crime would be better.

Jamiet99uk (808 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
Right, responding to several things at once here, but here goes:

@Sicarus: "if we share a similar goal, but employ different tactics to accomplish the same goal, then being divisive amongst ourselves helps neither of us but hurts our chances of success."

As you have previously asserted to me, you and I do not share similar goals. I am, in your words a "statist".


@Draugnar: "I teach people a lesson about parking in the no parking zone in our cul-de-sac by knifing tires and watching when the police come and give them a ticket for illegally parking right after they take the report of the knifed tires for the person's insurance."

Taking the law into your own hands over a parking issue? Seriously?


@Sic / Stratagos: " "If ghandi, while still remaining non-violent, vocally supported, or at least refrained from condeming militant resistance groups, how much stronger would the movement have been?" "

"Ok, I'm sorry, but that's just an IDIOTIC statement."

Stratagos +1. The reason Ghandi's campaign was so powerful was BECAUSE he was non-violent. If he had condoned violence he would have undermined one of the key points of his appeal. You totally fail on this one, Sicarus.

Sicarius (673 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
"The reason Ghandi's campaign was so powerful was BECAUSE he was non-violent. If he had condoned violence he would have undermined one of the key points of his appeal. You totally fail on this one, Sicarus.

But he wasn't 'powerful'. he was utterly inneffective, and posed absolutely no threat to the state.
"There is a pattern to the historical manipulation and white­
washing evident in every single victory claimed by nonviolent
activists. The pacifist position requires that success must be at­
triburable to pacifist tactics and pacifist tactics alone, whereas the
rest of us believe that change comes from the whole spectrum of
tactics present in any revolutionary situation, provided they are
deployed effectively. Because no major social conflict exhibits a
uniformity of tactics and ideologies, which is to say that all such
conflicts exhibit pacifist tactics and decidedly nonpacifist tactics,
pacifists have to erase the history that disagrees with them or,
alternately, blame their failures on the contemporary presence
of violent struggle.'
In India, the story goes, people under the leadership of Gandhi
built up a massive nonviolent movement over decades and engaged
in protest, noncooperation, economic boycotts, and exemplary
hunger strikes and acts of disobedience to make British imperial­
ism unworkable. They suffered massacres and responded with a
couple of riots, but, on the whole, the movement was nonviolent and, after persevering for decades, the Indian people won their in­
dependence, providing an undeniable hallmark of pacifist victory.
The actual history is more complicated, in that many violent pres­
sures also informed the British decision to withdraw. The British
had lost the ability to maintain colonial power after losing millions
of troops and a great deal of other resources during two extremely
violent world wars, the second of which especially devastated the
"mother country." The armed struggles of Arab and Jewish mili­
tants in Palestine from 1945 to 1948 further weakened the British
Empire, and presented a clear threat that the Indians might give up
civil disobedience and take up arms en masse if ignored for long
enough; this cannot be excluded as a factor in the decision of the
British to relinquish direct colonial administration.
We realize this threat to be even more direct when we under­
stand that the pacifist history of India's independence movement is
a selective and incomplete picture-nonviolence was not universal in
India. Resistance to British colonialism included enough militancy
that the Gandhian method can be viewed most accurately as one
of several competing forms of popular resistance. As part of a dis­
turbingly universal pattern, pacifists white out those other forms of
resistance and help propagate the false history that Gandhi and his
disciples were the lone masthead and rudder of Indian resistance.
Ignored are important militant leaders such as Chandrasekhar
Azad," who fought in armed struggle against the British colonizers,
and revolutionaries such as Bhagat Singh, who won mass support
for bombings and assassinations as part of a struggle to accomplish
the "overthrow of both foreign and Indian capitalism." The pacifist
history of India's struggle cannot make any sense of the fact that
Subhas Chandra Bose, the militant candidate, was twice elected
president of the Indian National Congress, in 1938 and 1939. 6
While Gandhi was perhaps the most singularly influential and
popular figure in India's independence struggle, the leadership
position he assumed did not always enjoy the consistent backing
of the masses. Gandhi lost so much support from Indians when he
"called off the movement" after the 1922 riot that when the British
locked him up afterwards, "not a ripple of protest arose in India at
his arrest."? Significantly, history remembers Gandhi above all oth­
ers not because he represented the unanimous voice of India, but
because of all the attention he was given by the British press and the
prominence he received from being included in important negotia­
tions with the British colonial government. When we remember
that history is written by the victors, another layer of the myth of
Indian independence comes unraveled.
The sorriest aspect of pacifists' claim that the independence of
India is a victory for nonviolence is that this claim plays directly
1
into the historical fabrication carried out in the interests of the
white-supremacist, imperialist states that colonized the Global
South. The liberation movement in India failed. The British were
not forced to quit India. Rather, they chose to transfer the ter­
ritory from direct colonial rule to neocolonial rule," What kind
of victory allows the losing side to dictate the time and manner
of the victors' ascendancy? The British authored the new consti­
tution and turned power over to handpicked successors. They
fanned the flames of religious and ethnic separatism so that
India would be divided against itself, prevented from gaining
peace and prosperity, and dependent on military aid and other
support from Euro/American states." India is still exploited by
Euro/ American corporations (though several new Indian corpo­
rations, mostly subsidiaries, have joined in the pillaging), and still
provides resources and markets for the imperialist states. In many
ways the poverty of its people has deepened and the exploitation
has become more efficient. Independence from colonial rule has
given India more autonomy in a few areas, and it has certainly
allowed a handful of Indians to sit in the seats of power- cont next post
Sicarius (673 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
but the exploitation and the commoditization of the commons and of culture had deepened. Moreover India lost a clear opportunity for meaningful liberation from an easily recognizable foreign oppressor. Any liberation movement now would have to go up against the confounding dynamics of nationalism and ethnic/religious
rivalry in order to abolish a domestic capitalism and government
that are far more developed. On balance, the independence
movement proves to have failed."

Sicarius (673 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
From "how nonviolence protects the state" by peter gelderloos

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krutapa (100 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
Players needed to Rapido
Live game 10 min rounds, come on get in the ring..
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DJEcc24 (246 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
Football (not american football you twits)
there is a lack of discussions on the forum that don;t involve Join my live game and the tournys. so lets have a discussion abotu the worlds past time football! favorite club? national team? thoughts on future world cup?
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Goldeye (190 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
Move entry bug
Sorry if this is the wrong place to report it but the SF bug tracker seems unused. If you have an option to move an army by land or convoy, and choose the destination but not the method, then change to support move, the via convoy/via land box remains. If you select one of them, there is an error, "What did you just update?" The problem is gone after clicking update.
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tilMletokill (100 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
Live game 10 mins
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Sys_Error (998 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
Question about points in draw
I have a game where 2 remaining powers want to draw.

There is still also a third country which has a status "left". If we vote for the draw, will the points be split between the 2 players who are still in the game, or will the 3rd player (who already left) qualify as a survivor -- and get 1/3 of the points?
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california (100 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
Tidalist-3 is up
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california (100 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
Tidalist-2
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california (100 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
Live Game
Awesome live game! Starts in 20 minutes. Quick join. The games Called Tidalist. gameID=14691
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california (100 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
Live Game
Awesome live game. Starts in an hour. Quick join. The games called Tidalist. gameID=14693
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Zman (207 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
Are new Ghost rankings up?
If so, anyone have the link?

Thanks
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jabumblepoonus (100 D)
26 Oct 09 UTC
live game! awesome!
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