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Manwe Sulimo (325 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
Buying this Site
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Carebear (100 D)
19 Jan 17 UTC
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Cross-site Diplomacy Tournament
www.PlayDiplomacy.com is hosting a cross-site Diplomacy tournament. We have *eliminated* the paid premium membership requirement to allow us to invite members from other sites. WebDiplomacy players with strong reliability ratings and ratings in the top 10%+/- on this site are invited to participate in this event .
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stranger (525 D)
13 Feb 17 UTC
gunboat related - grabbing Munich in 1901
I find that a lot of players that start as France would actually try to get Burgundy into Munich in gunboats in Autumn 01. What is the point of that? Germany will have to build armies to get France out again and thus put England in a massively advantaged position.

Thoughts?
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Peregrine Falcon (9010 D(S))
13 Feb 17 UTC
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Colours of the Great Powers on WebDip
Why does WebDip have the colour allotment it does?
In the original rules, it says that Austria is Red, England: Dark Blue, France: Light Blue, Turkey: Yellow, Germany: Black, Russia: White, Italy: Green. Why change England and Russia?
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cb6000 (100 D(S))
09 Feb 17 UTC
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The need for two forums
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glo2018 (1697 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
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Rule Hypocrisy
the people that made a rule against "Sexism, racism, homophobia, and other forms of bigotry" but allow cussing i think is quite hypocritical. if you allow people to cuss on this site then why is it wrong for someone to politely state their belief that homosexuality is a sin? if this forum was made for people to voice their opinions and opinions are allowed on other matters then why is it wrong to voice your opinions on sticky subjects?
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brainbomb (290 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
Why did we invade Klendathu?
What value was there to the planets owned by the bugs? Why not just nuke them?
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
03 Feb 17 UTC
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Petition to rename St. Petersburg
St. Petersburg as a territory name is offensive to anyone who isn't Christian. We need to change this to be more welcoming to other religions.
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SuperMario0727 (204 D)
12 Feb 17 UTC
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Switzerland: No Man's Land.
Let's assume that Switzerland is no longer impassable. What effects would that have on the game, the strategy, and the tactics? Should Switzerland stay a no man's land, or might it be more interesting to make it a playable space? Perhaps it could be a neutral supply center, or just a neutral territory. What do you guys think?
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
12 Feb 17 UTC
Live tournaments
Questions:
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SuperMario0727 (204 D)
11 Feb 17 UTC
Turkey Opening Strategies: Moving to Syria?
Turkey opens normally, except the fleet in Ankara moves to Constantinople, and the army in Smyrna holds. The army in Smyrna then moves to Syria. Turkey can build a fleet in Ankara or Smyrna, depending on whether he is going after Russia or Italy. This is not my idea. I was just curious to know what you guys think about it. Is a Turkish move to Syria just plain silly, or might it have some serious strategic effects?
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
10 Feb 17 UTC
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Relinquishing the forum
Hey I'll be at work for a few hours don't want anyone to get worried. Just thought I'd let you guys know I won't be posting.
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JamesYanik (548 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
French - Italian alliance
How would this work? Usually there's a non-aggression pact, but if France were willing to sacrifice Marseilles in return for support in Tyrolia, is this a workable relationship? Stabs are VERY difficult as they cross the stalemate line, but has this been effectively done before?
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Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
09 Feb 17 UTC
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Updated Forum Rules
http://webdiplomacy.net/rules.php
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LeonWalras (865 D)
08 Feb 17 UTC
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A Conservative Answer to Climate Change
I don't imagine a revenue neutral carbon tax proposed by top republicans from the Reagan era will be at all controversial...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-conservative-answer-to-climate-change-1486512334
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Ogion (3882 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
Again, that is without calculating the budget for gas and maintenance which are significant on a 12 year car. I know we traded in a pair of 1998 wagons after having run the full budget. Again, I know this is hard, but you need to look at the full operating costs not just sticker price
Manwe Sulimo (325 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
@Ogion

Lol, you think they just stick sand into there and the solar cells function? They use a highly processed form of crystalline silicon which is only produced in a certain amount of quantity and whose price fluctuates dramatically.

The externalities present in using fossil fuels are only highly subjectively quantifiable and up to a great deal of debate. This is not something we can account for in these calculations.

Yeah, fun fact, the Energy Information Administration is actually my ass. You got me there. And thanks for assuming I'm a conservative (Hint: I'm not).

http://www.eia.gov/outlooks/aeo/pdf/electricity_generation.pdf
Table A1b, the EIA estimates the LCOE of a gas fired plant will be 50.1 next year, and the LCOE of solar PV will be 80.8. 50.1/80.8 = .62, making natural gas 38% cheaper than solar. Coal is even cheaper than natural gas.

In reality, I'm convinced you don't know what you are discussing in any great detail.
Ogion (3882 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
Per the energy information admin the LCOE of wind is $58/mwh. Conventional turbines is $110 and advanced natural gas is the only one beating wind at all at $56. Add in health and environmental costs and wind crushes even natural gas as new generation on price.

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/aeo/pdf/electricity_generation.pdf
Manwe Sulimo (325 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
Hey, I love wind! Wind power is fantastic. But that's not what we are talking about, is it?
CAPT Brad (40 DX)
09 Feb 17 UTC
I love wind too! I am breaking wind right now! Wheeeee! Thhpppbbtt!!
JamesYanik (548 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
AVERAGE USED CAR PRICE 16K? HOLY SHIT

I got mine at 3K. like, those are some awful prices
CAPT Brad (40 DX)
09 Feb 17 UTC
Thhpppbbtt!! Speaking of wind, you guys are all full of it. I am a conservative republican. Still, I have solar panels on my roof and a battery backup off grid system that I bought with cash from an american roofing company. I own two Prius cars one is a plug in. I live below my means and own my own California home and a rental property. I pay a butt load of taxes to support your sorry left wing asses. So bite the big one
JamesYanik (548 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
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@CAPT

out there fighting the good fight, and asking people to bite his "big one"
JECE (1248 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
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A carbon tax has been a pillar of progressive thought in the States for years. The cap-and-trade style systems currently in place are ineffectual and complicated (leading to bureaucratic loopholes). Bringing thousands of dollars from the carbon tax in 'dividends' to U. S. residents is a great idea.

Really, this is a great example of where socialists and traditional conservatives can pave common ground together, as they have across Europe in other areas.
Ogion (3882 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
Um, yes. Wind power is renewable and the backbone of the renewable grid. Why wouldn't we be talking about utility scale wind?
Ogion (3882 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
Except in the US it doesn't matter how sensible an idea is or how consistent with conservative theory it is, it is protects the environment it is inherently evil and doubly so if Democrats approve of it. The facts don't matter after that
JamesYanik (548 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
@JECE

as long as we can undo some other regulations, and focus on the basic taxes. Regulations = collateral damage and loopholes, and inefficient results. Make it simple so we can't get cheated
Ogion (3882 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
And the health and environmental costs are not at all "subjective" but are very well documented and demonstrated epidemiologically. They exits and are calculable so you can't just wave your hands and pretend PM 10 doesn't make people sick and coal ash doesn't pollute. Give me a freaking break. More "alternative facts.
JamesYanik (548 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
i mean, not ALL regulations. many i support, MANY i don't
ND (879 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/5/climate-change-whistleblower-alleges-noaa-manipula/

JECE (1248 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
Actually, the dividends thing is also from progressive thought.
JECE (1248 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
ND: The Washington Times are owned by the cultist Moonies
Ogion (3882 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
You're reading the table wrong. Coal with CCs comes in at $139! And cc gas with CCs is regionally weighted at 84.8. You have to look at the total system cost. Again you can't just ignore costs.
LeonWalras (865 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
ND, you recently stated that the 1980s under Reagan were great. Does that greatness not extend to the senior Republicans from his administration now proposing this revenue neutral carbon tax?
CAPT Brad (40 DX)
09 Feb 17 UTC
James, thanks for the complement calling mine a big one '[;-)
ND (879 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
@LeonWalras: I know when I saw the headline about that I was quite disturbed. I don't know what is going on.
CAPT Brad (40 DX)
09 Feb 17 UTC
I lived in the Reagan eighties. They were great!
JamesYanik (548 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
@ND

they're overselling it to the public. the warming reports they've put out are all in apocalyptic danger, and they're getting BS called on it. there are still pollution and warming problems

My point is that alternative energy is here, and it's probably going to start taking over on market demand ALONE. no need for gov't subsidies to create monopolies, or the brutal murder of fossil fuel

LeonWalras (865 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
I'm not in favour of renewable subsidies for that reason, but the externalities from fossil fuels have to be priced for the market to function efficiently.
CAPT Brad (40 DX)
09 Feb 17 UTC
alternative energy, alternative facts, alt right, alternator, alternate universe. Wow
slypups (1889 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
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Not following the complaint that a carbon tax would drive some companies out of business. So what? Right now, those companies only survive because they can pollute and cause millions (billions?) of health damage to the US population and not have to pay for it. A carbon tax attempts to make those companies account for the cost they currently dump on others. If they can't afford it, they should go out of business. And it's ridiculous to say that we suddenly will be without power. If power supply drops and becomes scarce, remaining power will be in demand and the price for power will increase, which will be enough to keep power companies in business as long as they can break even (or make a small profit) at the marginal power price point. It's a market-based solution, which appeals to people in both parties.

It's not quite an ideal distribution of the tax monies received, as the benefits of the tax go to everyone, as opposed to just those harmed by the pollution in proportion to the harm they receive, but it's a good effort anyway. However, the legal system is probably worse, as the lawyers end up with a healthy chunk of those funds so the damaged parties get less than their fair share that way too. The legal system gives a more proportional distribution to those harmed, but skims a large amount off the top for providing this proportionality. A tax system gives back more, but many people who were never harmed receive benefits. Since pollution affects a large portion of the populace, though, the tax system may be the better approach to the problem.

The part I disagree with about the plan, if I'm understanding it correctly, is giving polluters immunity from lawsuits for carbon pollution. I'm ok with this going forward (effectively the tax is a lawsuit settlement they are paying in advance), but people should still be able to sue for pollution harm that occurred before the tax goes into effect. There is no reason why polluting power companies should get away with profiting at the expense of harm to others in the past - they should be held to account for that. Hopefully this is how the plan will work, although I'm pretty sure immunity from past suit is exactly what power companies are asking for in exchange for agreeing to a carbon tax (as if they are entitled to get away with earlier theft).

As an analogy, imagine a shoplifter was coming to your store daily and stealing some of your merchandise each day. One day, you say, this has to end, and you somehow manage to automatically charge him for anything he takes going forward (and he actually pays). That should not give shoplifter immunity for you suing for the value of everything he took in the past.
JamesYanik (548 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
@slypups

on lawsuits

1. they didn't know it was bad for the environment for decades. we don't take retrospective action
2. reports fail to specify the exact anthropogenic effects, so we wouldn't know to what extent they're responsible

on taxes

1. the taxes will be redistributed to all Americans, as all Americans have been affected, albeit in different ways.
2. the worst ways probably were the northeast, where massive snowstorms have occurred. however, it's also difficult to tell whether or not these changes are also affected by the shifting polls
{yes, i have read records saying that global warming is causing shifts in ice masses that are moving the polls, but form the direction of the moving polls, and the change in heat indexes, it is very clearly that the changes in temperature FOLLOW the poles, not the other way around. we're over due for a polar shift by 160000 years}
3. other countries will be responsible for their own repercussions
CAPT Brad (40 DX)
09 Feb 17 UTC
Slypups, do you have a job?
CAPT Brad (40 DX)
09 Feb 17 UTC
Except for brainbomb do any of you work?
LeonWalras (865 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
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I've been at work all day Brad. Don't tell anyone I'm on here!

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brainbomb (290 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
Joining this site
I like this site so much Ive decided to Join it. By creating additional accounts to make up for all the people leaving. Brainbomb2 brainbomb3 and brainbomb4 will explore the true depth of my personality
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Randomizer (722 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
Preparing for the Zombie Apocalypse
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/us/illinois-zombie-bill-trnd/index.html

Getting ready for the Apocalypse and other disasters, i.e. Trump.
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wpfieps (442 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
I hate people from Zimbabwe
Zimbabwe-ans suck big time.

I was actually going to use this new thread to maybe comment about what I think about women, or maybe what I think about Republicans, or maybe something else like that. But then I thought those things might get me in trouble. So I decided to express my opinion about Zimbabwe-ans instead.
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
09 Feb 17 UTC
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Leaving this Site
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slypups (1889 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
Strategy differences between the maps
What would you say the biggest overall strategy differences are between playing the small map (Ancient Med) vs Classic vs the larger maps (Fall of American Empire, Mod Dip, World Dip, and soon to be extinct Known World)?
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Tolstoy (1962 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
Alleged 9/11 Mastermind Explains Motives
Shockingly, in 18 pages the supposed imperative to spread Sharia Law and force Americans to convert to Islam does not get a mention. American foreign policy, however, gets plenty of ink.
http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/archives/911-masterminds-letter-to-obama-heres-why-we-attacked-america
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brainbomb (290 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
Better work conditions: Borg Cube or Industrial Revolution
Discuss
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Ezio (2181 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
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Egathetos (207 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
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Newbie question
If a piece "supports hold" another unit does it loose its own "hold"?
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leon1122 (190 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
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Leaving this Site
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
09 Feb 17 UTC
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Daily Daily Thread Thread
Please post all your Daily Threads here in order to keep forum spam to a minimum. Post Daily Threads here and only here.
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brainbomb (290 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
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Out of control thread
I want a safe place for all the haters. Lets make a thread that is totes out of control. But keep it light. Here we can call each other idiots and morons. And threaten to punch ourselves in the face.
#MAGA #bringbackkrellin
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09 Feb 17 UTC
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Lockenfietje (135 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
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Leaving this Site
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Limni (491 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
Server down?
Seems like the server has been down for a while now - does anyone know the cause or a likely ETA for resolution?
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