@Nigee,
Irony: people who know better saying offensive things for cheap laughs.

@hecks - I feel you still missed my point - I realise you are fixated on a point you wish to make and so rather than understand what I said just pretend I said something else ....... very well done you !!

No, I get what you're saying. I just don't think ironic racism is very funny.

What am I saying hecks, why don't you spell it out ??

As I understand it, the intended irony is twofold:
1. Your close relationship with a person of hispanic heritage evidences that you respect that heritage, and thus your use of the pejorative term should be taken as playful, expressing the opposite of what the word would generally mean.
2. Your original statement was actually intended as an insult to the sort of British tourist who visits Spain and the sort of person who supports hostile policy toward Spain; as such, your use of the word was intended to express not your views, but those of the Brits you mocked.

I still don't think it's funny. Let me know if there's an additional layer of intended irony I missed.

"Those dirty rotten Spics are asking for it ..... I think this calls for an invasion.
I suggest we send thousands of our hardest fighters (men and women) over there and cause havoc in their Towns all Summer in some drunken rampage.
They will be begging for mercy at the end of that ...... "
1. No ... not sure what the person of Hispanic heritage is all about but that is a red herring
2. Yes
The use of the word Spics was to feign outrage at the Spanish whilst Spain has been the number 1 holiday destination for the British working classes for many many years and the average Brit doesn't give a hoot about Gibraltar.
Of course we invade Spain every Summer with our charter flights, cheap booze, arrogant attitudes and and extremely badly behaviour.
I'm not sure anything Cameron can threaten over the Gibraltar issue is going to scare the Spanish people more than 25 pissed up Geordies in a bar in Torremolinos when they are informed that the Newcastle Brown Ale has run out.

@NBaby: see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster_racism

@ora - that's me mate I'm a hipster, don't let the truth ever get in the way of a point you may want to make :-)

He's not calling you a hipster, but rather point out what you're doing has term called "hipster racism." You're a really stupid person, NigeeBaby.

@Viccy - how dare you say I'm not a hipster you blaggard.

@Nigee - he's not calling you a hipster. He's saying that ironic racism is still racism.

@hecks - I get the point you're trying so desperately to make Tiger, I'm a racist, I've got it mate. Shoot me now !!

Naw, man. It's not about throwing accusations at people. I don't think you're a bad guy. I just wanted to make you think harder about using that word, even when you don't really mean it. Sounds like you've thought about it, so we're all good.

@Invictus, thank you.

@Nbaby: i googled the term ironic racism, and came across that article. You may want to read it for comparison. I mean, you are priviledged enough to have internet access, and thus you are capable of educating yourself - matters like racism/sexism or other social evils are issues for everyone.

I can't just say, "well there are no black people in Ireland, thus there is no racism" and go on to ignore the offence caused by ignoring the rest rest of the world (NB my first visit to London in the 90s was the first time i saw a black person in real life, as there were very few black people in Ireland when i was growing up)

"Let he is without piousness be the most sanctimonious forum poster"
Quote of the day

Whilst what Nigee says was undoubtedly not a great thing to say, there are a few points that need to be made;
1) spic is not the same as n* - the two words do not have a very similar history and thus, whilst both are clearly bad, they do not carry the same power.
2) Nigee has a history of saying ridiculous things, to the point where it's very had to get a consistent idea of his worldview. Thus, to use him as an example of a hypocritical liberal is rather strange when it's not entirely clear whether he identifies as a liberal.
3) When the only time the Krellin appears to care about language is to score points in an unrelated thread, it becomes clear that he doesn't really care about the power of language and instead is just seeking to derail threads so that they become about himself. In this case he's been successful, but I would hope that, in future, the community treats his comments with the contempt that they invariably deserve.

None of this is to say that what Nigee said was a good thing to say, nor is it to condone racial slurs and epithets, but when talking about them we should take care to avoid false equivalencies, and any show of care which is obviously not about the issue but instead about grandstanding should be shot down immediately, as it's just incredibly disrespectful to those that the issues actually affect.

1. "spic is not the same as n* - " says the man who never talked to a Hispanic in his life. I suppose "wetback" is ok, too, right?
2. "Nigee has a history of saying ridiculous things,..." therefore, because he's an idiot, he can get away with it? Oh...he can call other people out, but shouldn't be held to his own

3. "When the only time the Krellin appears to care about language is to score points"
Really? I on'y care about language to score points? lol OK, whatever. In other words, my previous and current discussion about language HAVE SCORED POINTS...in other words, I bring up language discusssions when *I AM RIGHT* and for some reason, you resent this? Why, because I am stepping on your toes? Because I am calling out time and time again the LibTard hypocrites around here?

So sue me...if my only reason for bringing up social issues to to "score points" and prove you wrong, them I guess I'm doing a good job. Thanks for pointing that out.

So spic, chink, honky, slant eyes... None of these are as bad as nigger. Nigger must be the worst fucking word in the language, yet black culture uses it more and more frequently, along with degrading their own women by calling them hoes and bitches.

I remember the first time I had any communication with the Krell, this was when I was new to the site he PM'ed me ...... guess what word he used. I think you can hazard a guess, he's not a racist though, no, oh no, no no no no no.

I want to make it very clear ..... I'm no Liberal. I don't even own sandals, I haven't got a beard and don't water my house plants with my own urine.

I'm not sure who is arguing what anymore.

I'm not suggest that people should stop using any words, only that they recognise that some words are racist or sexist or homophobic. If they continue to use them they shouldn't be surprised that people regard them as racist, sexist, homophobic etc.

Trying to argue that it's OK to use the word nigger because others do (including black men) may have some merit, but people seldom have the time to listen to and understand others reasoning for using such terms and instead just opt to go with their instinct 'people who call black men niggers are racist'. Trying to argue against this instinct seems futile.

I'm sure Nigee knew Spic was perjorative and made a joke some people didn't find funny. I don't think Nigee is a racist, but he did use a racist term. In fairness, I think he realises his mistake and this should be a place where people can make mistakes and move on.

Krellin does little to dissuade me from my instinct when he uses the word nigger. I don't think he regards the term as racist or regards it as racist and insists on using it anyway.

Draugnar intrigues me because Instinctively I have never regarded him as a racist, closet or otherwise. Interestingly I think if draugnar and krellin said similar things I would see more underlying racism in krellin's words than draug's. this is a reflection on me, not on them.

I think if I took more time to listen to krellin I'd understand him more and find him less racist - conversely if I took less time to listen to draugnar I'd probably be more concerned about what he says at face value.

@Nigee
"I want to make it very clear ..... I'm no Liberal. I don't even own sandals, I haven't got a beard and don't water my house plants with my own urine."

Only two of the three here. (I'll let you guess which two.)

@Maniac,
"I'm sure Nigee knew Spic was perjorative and made a joke some people didn't find funny. I don't think Nigee is a racist, but he did use a racist term. In fairness, I think he realises his mistake and this should be a place where people can make mistakes and move on."

If one could +1 portions of comments, I'd +1 this.

Nigee! First you use racist terms, now you stereotype all liberals, have you considered a career on the northern comedy circuit?

Maniac ...if you took more time to listen. Classic. You cast your judgements, but upon what you know not. Feel free to PM me if you want to discuss and understand me better - I'm quite serious. Niger is also lying about my PM to him, having taken something out of context to slander me.... par for the course, of course... :).

You can say that one bad thing is not the same as another bad thing without implying that one of them must be ok. Like, Being punched in the face and being hit in the face with a baseball bat are clearly both bad things and they are clearly not the same. So no, I don't think that list of racial epithets is ok, but I also don't think they are the same as n*. And btw, I have talked to plenty of hispanic folk, so please don't try to make spurious assumptions about my life.

"I'm sure Nigee knew Spic was perjorative and made a joke some people didn't find funny. I don't think Nigee is a racist, but he did use a racist term. In fairness, I think he realises his mistake and this should be a place where people can make mistakes and move on."
Maniac - the context was that the British govt were at odds with Spain and that we should choose one side or the other. I feigned support for the British govt by pretending to insult Spain, I was ridiculing the idea that somehow the British working class would support Spain when it is and has been the number 1 holiday destination for Brits for as long as I can remember.
Maybe I should use another example. There is a film called The Dictator where the lead character pretends to hate Jews, the actor the lead role in that film is Sacha Baron Cohen and in his career he has made many anti-Jewish comments when he is in character. Is he a bad person for making fun of the Jews and inciting people to sing anti-Jewish songs. Thankfully we use words with a context, it's not just the words themselves that give a statement meaning but the context in which they are used. The word fuck is a great word that can be derogatory or complimentary.
I realise that if you say something and the context is misconstrued it can cause offense but I don't think it is appropriate to tell African Americans that their usage of the word nigger is always upsetting and offensive because in context it may not be, but that does not mean it would not be viewed as offensive if used by a white person or even an Aborigine ..... perception is projection.

would support Spain s/be wouldn't