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sentient_6 (100 D)
31 Oct 08 UTC
Anyone care for a quick game so i can get the jist of this?!
This is the url:
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=6504

One hour phase, which looking around seems lightening fast to you people, lol, but i can't be waiting 1 to 3 days to see if id like this.
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TrueHeart (162 D)
31 Oct 08 UTC
Game WWIII - Dude 2490
Please Dude2490, could you finalize your orders for your one fleet so this game can end. It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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Pandarsenic (1485 D)
29 Oct 08 UTC
Assassin: Another game of intrigue and paranoia
Assassin may be, in fact, the only game that
1) takes longer
2) creates more paranoia
Than Diplomacy.
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Pandarsenic (1485 D)
31 Oct 08 UTC
Can you support someone else's move into your own territory?
It seems like a mildly suicidal thing, but is it, technically, allowed?
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mac (189 D)
30 Oct 08 UTC
Finalise or not in winter.
Four lines are too few. Read first reply.
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_Beau_ (212 D)
31 Oct 08 UTC
email updates
It would be nice if you could receive an email as soon as a move is made.
Ideally this email would include an updated world map.
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dangermouse (5551 D)
30 Oct 08 UTC
Moderator Dilemma
I'm going to be without internet from tomorrow (Friday) through Sunday. I've asked players to pause the games I am in, but it's possible they won't all do so.
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Simon (100 D)
31 Oct 08 UTC
How to join a game with code?
My friend opens a gme with code.
How can I find this game.
Please tell me.
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Assendous (100 D)
31 Oct 08 UTC
Join this Bomb Game
everyone needs to get in this game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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spyman (424 D(G))
30 Oct 08 UTC
New Game: Slanted and Enchanted
36 hour phase. 20 points to joins. All welcome.
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=6475
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amathur2k (100 D)
30 Oct 08 UTC
Support question
Hi kestas,
Can a unit which is under attack cut support to a completely different unit(not involved in the attack) by attacking it.
Eg, In game http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=6244
Sevastopol is succesfully attacked by Armenia and Black Sea, however this Sevas's attack on Moscow prevented Moscow from Supporting hold at Warsaw, is this correct ?
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Chrispminis (916 D)
20 Oct 08 UTC
The Fiat Currency
I've been seeing a lot of bashing of central banking and the fiat currency lately on the internet, and I was wondering if you could all enlighten me.
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
30 Oct 08 UTC
new game?
is anyone interested in a 230 point game? I kinda want to ensure all the games i play from now on are on the first page of the finished game list. (at least up there, i'm only in the top one right now :(

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Otto Von Bismark (653 D)
28 Oct 08 UTC
I created the game The Great Terror
Join up 500 points
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Pandarsenic (1485 D)
30 Oct 08 UTC
Move inexplicably fizzled out.
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=6381

I don't THINK it was a misorder, but if you look at the Large View, Austria (me) had Rumania Support Move from Serbia to Constantinople. This Support (and thus, the move) failed for no apparent reason. To quote one player I was talking to, this "makes no sense whatsoever." Any ideas?
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ersilcoff (100 D)
29 Oct 08 UTC
ycamolpiDphp v6.9 - one player playing two copuntries?
two powers that have been allied all game and have really made no mistakes both missed the latest move.
is there any way to tell if they are not coming from the same ip address?
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lazysummer8484 (0 DX)
30 Oct 08 UTC
Quick Question
is it possible for an army to retreat to where it's invader came from? (given that that place is now empty?)
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Maniac (189 D(B))
27 Oct 08 UTC
The oppressors and the oppressed
Two lists of people – how many would appear on both lists?
Please add only one to each category for each post.
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Straight people/ Gay people

lol. =p
dangermouse (5551 D)
28 Oct 08 UTC
Sent from: DingleberryJones (87 ) Sent: 10:57 PM
7 God fearing Americans 7. Non Christian Americans
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Yeah right...

I'd say Dingleberry is right. (Hurrah me for helping to sidetrack this thread)
mac (189 D)
28 Oct 08 UTC
@ DingleberryJones

"7 God fearing Americans 7. Non Christian Americans"... This can be a huge problem for a God fearing American who happens to be Jew, Muslim (or anything else but non Christian).

"Pre 1948 - Palestinians / Jews" that is simply not true and ideologically biased.
Sent from: dangermouse (6439 ) Sent: 08:27 AM
I'd say Dingleberry is right. (Hurrah me for helping to sidetrack this thread)
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If anyone else is interested in sidetracking threads please head to playdiplomacy.com's forum for all your going off topic needs!
:) Ha ha ha ha!
Mac, and one could say your response is ideologically based. And your reponse is 'No it isn't'. And thats what my response is too
stratagos (3269 D(S))
28 Oct 08 UTC
People who were until recently oppressed / anyone weaker in the neighborhood
My boss / me
King Aurthur / Dennis the Peasant
science food
science religion
science nature
Tetra0 (1448 D)
28 Oct 08 UTC
the Jews/ the Jews
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
28 Oct 08 UTC
Tony Blair/Truth
Gordon Brown/Eloquence
New Labour/Economists
Politics yet again/Me
Oxim (280 D)
28 Oct 08 UTC
RT alliance / Poor lonely Austria
Maniac (189 D(B))
28 Oct 08 UTC
To sum up....

1. The Germans 1. The Jews
2: Right-handed people 2.Left-handed people
3. The Wealthy 3. The Poor
4. NATO 4. The Glorious Russian Federation
5. Blu-ray 5. HD DVD
6.americans 6.any one who doesnt agree with them
7 God fearing Americans 7. Non Christian Americans
8. Right-handers, until very recently 8. Left-handers, until very recently
9. Israel 9. Arabs
10. Arabs 10. Israel
8. The British Empire | 8. People who were not the British Empire
English Scots
Us... The enitre natural world (including us)...
israel / palestinians
Pre 1948 - Palestinians / Jews
The voices in ChrisPminis' head / ChrisPminis
god/satan
religion/athiests
work/Sean
Generation X / The Greatest Generation
Baby Boomers / America's Future
Braveheart's girlfriend.... Braveheart!
Republicans / Democrats (US centric I know)
Cats / Mice
Batman / The Joker
Searing Heat/ Lice
Sarah Palin/ American Political Legitimacy
England/ The Irish
Early US/ The Irish
Everyone/ The Jews
Maniac / Friendly Sword
Mongoose / Cobras
Taiwan / China (Thats right, I meant to put them in that order)
Red China / ROC on Taiwan
Mac, Linux
Straight people/ Gay people
science food
science religion
science nature
Tony Blair/Truth
Gordon Brown/Eloquence
New Labour/Economists
Politics yet again/Sioraf as Killeens
RT alliance / Poor lonely Austria
and I'll add Men / Women
And Black/White

Looks like everyone has been on both sides of the oppressor/oppressed coin at some time or another. Obviously History really does teach us nothing...
Maniac (189 D(B))
28 Oct 08 UTC
Ps @ Friendly Sword - I really am sorry for oppressing you - if you wanted to opppress me a bit in return that would be fine.
mac (189 D)
28 Oct 08 UTC
@DingleBerryJones - "Mac, and one could say your response is ideologically based. And your reponse is 'No it isn't'. And thats what my response is too".

Not really, as you miss the context: your response came after the "israeli/palestinians" entry. While I am stating by "this is not true" that historical events do not show anything capable to support your statement.

My answer would be ideological if it was grounded in a "poor oppressed Palestinians" basis. Contrarily, I think that if the Palestinian authority would have the same military apparatus and political backup by USA that Israel has, the situation for Israelis wouldn't be any better than the one Palestinians are experiencing in reality.

It remains an historical fact - though - that before 1948 there was no systemic oppression of "Israelis" by Palestinians... but I would be definitively happy to hear from you, should you have access to historical documentation proving the contrary.
Mac, Facts are easy to come by. 'Historical fact' is always debated. I do believe there are plenty of historical events that support my statement.

But more to my point, pre-1948,

http://palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_riots_1936-39.php

And I have no doubt these 'facts' present one side of the story. But to deny that any oppression of Jews occurred under the British Mandate is ludicrous.



mac (189 D)
29 Oct 08 UTC
Dingleberryjones... this thread is about oppressors/oppressed.

OPPRESSION (definition by dictionary.com): "the exercise of authority or power in a burdensome, cruel, or unjust manner".

The definition of OPPRESSION perfectly applies to the apartheid regime currently imposed by Israel government on Palestinians: it is a state/government imposing cruel and unjust rules onto an nation (this is UN resolutions' content, not my own ideas) whose legally defined boundaries have been violated, and whose resources are being plundered.

The definition of OPPRESSION does not apply in any way to the situation pre-1948 when talking of Palestinians and Israelis, both of which were under British mandate. Eventually, one could say that it was the oppression of UK onto PalestiniansANDJews, but this is another story.

The very same link you provided - for example - is called "Palestinian Arab Revolt". REVOLT (dictionary.com) means "to break away from or rise against constituted authority, as by open rebellion". REVOLT is in fact - in many ways - the action undertaken against OPPRESSION.

To say with your words: "to deny that any oppression of Jews occurred under the British Mandate is ludicrous". Possibly (this is not my point), but to say that the oppressors where the Palestinians is HILARIOUS, then (and eventually also ideological).

Again: this is not about giving marks and say "bad Israelis vs. good Palestinians". It is about recognising the reality and call things with their name.

Oppression is not a synonym for violence nor for revolt.
Black/White
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I'm white but I'm quite sure it's the other way around...
Tirpitz (100 D)
29 Oct 08 UTC
Hey don't blame me. I'm not white, I'm Irish.
sean (3490 D(B))
29 Oct 08 UTC
sioraf...are you high? or was that a joke?
sean (3490 D(B))
29 Oct 08 UTC
oh sorry sioraf that was not you who said it. it was maniac..thats ok i know he is high.
If you focus on 'exercise of authority', then you are correct that the arabs of the 1940s could not by definition 'oppress'. However, the definition you cite is 'exercise of authority OR POWER', which would not require authority.
mac (189 D)
29 Oct 08 UTC
Dingleberry, that's what in my mother tongue we call "trying to climb mirrors", i.e.: a purely formal defence line that has little if any relevance to the real word facts.

Following your logic, one could support the thesis that Jews were oppressing pre-nazi Germans, because they had economical POWER in a period in which German was on its knees... clearly a statement that could be formally right (I never researched myself on the issue) but that bare no relationship with historical facts. Incidentally, this was also one of the points used by nazi propaganda to foster hate towards Jews.

For the sake of providing information on the specific example you brought up: Arabs in Palestine had little if any political/economic/decisional power since centuries. The Ottoman empire had imported and imposed on Arabs its structures, rulers, staff, culture, laws, etc and Arabs were essentially subjects of the Emperor. This was one of the points that western powers leveraged to get the support of the Arabs during the WWI. The promises made to the Arabs were many, all of them in the direction of "independence" and "power" after the fall of the Ottoman empire.

As a matter of facts, though, the Sykes–Picot agreement was signed in 1916, going in the opposite direction (still Arabs under the rule of somebody else). Simultaneously, the fourth and fifth Aliyah's (migration to Palestine of Jews from the diaspora) took place. Zionism was a policy actively supported by the British, as to shift the demographical balance towards an equilibrium more in favour to the western powers.

Incidentally, the Arab Revolt that you initially quoted was triggered exactly by these events, namely by the support of the British towards the settlement of 250.000 more Jews. The revolt started as a strike, to which, in a way typical to the British empire, the British forces reacted with violence and imprisonment without trials. Paradoxically (given that you brought up the example to support the "Palestinian oppression on Jews"), the Jews were involved in the violences with paramilitary groups helping out the British in the dirty work.

Your example of "Palestinian oppression" is the only one I know of, in which the "oppressor" got 5000 people dead, while the "oppressed" 400. (source of these numbers: wikipedia).

So really... the "oppression of pre-1948-Palestinians onto Jews" is an ideological/propaganda tale crafted to legitimise the horrors of the current apartheid regime. IT WAS SIMPLY NEVER THERE.
Maniac (189 D(B))
29 Oct 08 UTC
72 Sean v mad people (me included) stop oppressing me sean.
Xapi (194 D)
29 Oct 08 UTC
George W Bush // The English Language
Katsarephat (100 D)
29 Oct 08 UTC
American conservative electorate / Intellectuals
Windows / Computer users
Katsarephat (100 D)
29 Oct 08 UTC
And
Computer users / Linux
mac (189 D)
29 Oct 08 UTC
Computer unsers / Linux ? Need explanation on that.
dangermouse (5551 D)
29 Oct 08 UTC
Mac commercials / Microsoft
trim101 (363 D)
29 Oct 08 UTC
diplomacy/me
Tucobenedicto (100 D)
29 Oct 08 UTC
This thread / logic and good taste

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wideyedwanderer (706 D)
30 Oct 08 UTC
Question
Does the in game message system work after the game has ended? Does it still alert the receiver of a new message?
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sean (3490 D(B))
29 Oct 08 UTC
Internet Connection Speeds and Prices
just want to know about everyone around the world
see below
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spartan492 (381 D)
30 Oct 08 UTC
Stalemate?
Could someone who knows about such things bettr than I do please enlighten me asto whether this game is a stalemate or not?

http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=5576
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Zxylon (0 DX)
26 Oct 08 UTC
Has Anyone Ever Won With Less than Half of Their Home SC's?
Post your stories here.
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mckayje3 (301 D)
29 Oct 08 UTC
Both US Political Parties Picked the Wrong Candidate for President
Hillary would make a better president than Obama; Romney would make a better president than McCain.

Note: I actually don't have a strong opinion on this, but I posed it once before and everyone else had a VERY strong opinion on it.
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Assendous (100 D)
30 Oct 08 UTC
Join Stickle
this war is to die for
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Assendous (100 D)
30 Oct 08 UTC
The new War is about to start
Join this match to have some fun and do ultimate strategies
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mac (189 D)
30 Oct 08 UTC
Don't vote!
I assume most of USA citizens from this forum have seen this already... Yet, just in case, you are my 5 friends and my 5 enemies!! ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvLgBTJXZUQ
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Durango 95-Purring horrorshow
24 hour deadline and the pot is 34.
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=6470
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Lizard (224 D)
29 Oct 08 UTC
The Help is really incomplete
I thing the Help could include some more information, like that you can't move two ships onto one sea, like I tried in my absolute first Diplomacy turn here: http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=6415. You should also include that you only capture a country at the end of a Year and other important information. If you can't/ don't want to put this information on the Help Page please include at least some information.
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TheMasterGamer (3491 D)
29 Oct 08 UTC
CD status
I think the game is kicking people into CD status too early. In the game http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=6079 during the spring move Germany has 4 sc's and make his move. During the fall move he fails to submit orders and was reduced to 1 sc prior to retreats. Because he is at 1 sc and did not submit an order he was placed in CD status. This then caused the retreat to automatically be disbanded.
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pxc (100 D)
29 Oct 08 UTC
Mommy, look, I made a game!
And I don't even need to use my hands!!
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=6465
18 point buy-in, 24h turns
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