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Gen. Lee (7588 D(B))
18 Jan 13 UTC
Face to face
Played my first face to face last weekend. Bought an 18 pack of PBR and played with 6 total on the board. 3 of us had played before and 3 never. Ended up the 3 that had played drew E/F/G. We made it to 1905 before we ran out of time, but one of the noobs was hooked immediately and ordered the game online next day. He's trying to set up another face to face this weekend.
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Yonni (136 D(S))
15 Jan 13 UTC
Ghost Rating Viewer
Spending some time on a side project making a GR viewer
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Gen. Lee (7588 D(B))
18 Jan 13 UTC
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EOG: Livestrong, take drugs
gameID=108531

Placeholder for pending eog
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Gen. Lee (7588 D(B))
17 Jan 13 UTC
Interest in Passworded Full Press Live game tonight?
Interest in quality Full Press Live game tonight?
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Maniac (189 D(B))
17 Jan 13 UTC
US employee 'outsourced job to China'
US employee 'outsourced job to China' for a fifth of his salay and spent his days watching cat videos on YouTube and playing diplomacy. Own up who is it?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21043693
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Jan 13 UTC
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Should Knowledge Be Free?
We've had this debate ad nauseum regarding music, movies, games, etc. In light of the Aaron Swartz debacle, I think it's worth talking about Piracy in the context of Science.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
16 Jan 13 UTC
HAPPY BIRTHDAY MAD MARX!!!!!!!!!!
From: Sandgoose!

P.S. Mine (Draugnar) is next Monday. I'll be 47. How old are you?
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
16 Jan 13 UTC
Ah... I forgot to do the 6th annual Pitirre Awards... so: dip awards 2012
the year has finalized and the awards has come in so we can get an idea of who's who in 2012.
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Frank (100 D)
17 Jan 13 UTC
Craziest story I've ever read
this is a good read, even if you dont care about sports . http://deadspin.com/5976517/manti-teos-dead-girlfriend-the-most-heartbreaking-and-inspirational-story-of-the-college-football-season-is-a-hoax
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democanarchis (100 D)
17 Jan 13 UTC
Looking for final player for game
Game is http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=107933, full press and 7 day phases. Not anon as the rest of us know each other IRL. One player short, pm for password if interested.
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Tolstoy (1962 D)
17 Jan 13 UTC
Coming soon: national database of the mentally ill
"The official attitude will be: anyone who sees a psychiatrist is a potential killer... The motto will become: destroy the patient, before he can destroy others."
http://lewrockwell.com/rappoport/rappoport12.1.html
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
13 Jan 13 UTC
Sitter
I need a sitter from the 19th through the 27th... it may go a day or so beyond that as well. I hope to have most of my games paused but I'll still have between 5-8 to play. None are shorter than 24 hour phases. If anyone is available and could do this, I'll pay you in hugs and maybe a box of chocolates if you're dumb enough to give an ass like me your mailing address.

Thanks :D
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taos (281 D)
17 Jan 13 UTC
phone unlock help
can someone help me to unlock this phone?
i don't need to unlock the service just the personal lock sistem,i got it from someone who does not remember the code.
nokia 1208 type:RH-105 imei:358317/03/833725/5
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2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
10 Jan 13 UTC
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Favorite Movie Quotes
What movie quotes do you find so memorable and/or useful that you find yourself saying them in everyday life?
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
15 Jan 13 UTC
Hitler: Evil Overlord or misunderstood genius? You decide.
In honor of Ulytau
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taos (281 D)
16 Jan 13 UTC
i am back
hi guys,remember me? i am back
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damian (675 D)
17 Jan 13 UTC
Where do you draw the line?
Another thread about copyright issues. How to define piracy, where do you think the actual act of theft occurs?
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
17 Jan 13 UTC
How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/story-man-outsourced-china-could-135701981.html

See what I did there?
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gamer5432121 (100 D)
16 Jan 13 UTC
Help
How do you find out the id number for a game.
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
16 Jan 13 UTC
Dutch diplomacy screwed up here
My sincerest apologies on behalf of our dwarf nation.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2262061/Its-date-Cameron-rushes-forward-Big-Speech-Europe-Friday-avoid-upsetting-French-Germans.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
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AdrianMRyan (133 D)
15 Jan 13 UTC
Can't unpause.
Some friends and I are having some tech troubles with our game <http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=102754> in that it won't let us unpause the game. This might not be the right place for this but couldn't find it. Halp? Thanks much!
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Commander_Cool (131 D)
16 Jan 13 UTC
Diplo Turn Limit?
Hi there, just wondering if standard Diplomacy games have a turn limit, ie do they end in a particular year if the game is not finished by then?

Thanks
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TheJok3r (765 D)
15 Jan 13 UTC
Sandy Hook Conspiracy Video
Not sure if this thread has already been made, or if this video is "old". But it's circulating quite a bit on my Facebook at the moment. I'm interested to see what you guys think of this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx9GxXYKx_8
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
15 Jan 13 UTC
webdip identity
Possibly, I brought this up already, but I find this interesting. When I'm on webdiplomacy.net arguing / playing Diplomacy, am I redhouse, or am I the person behind the computer?
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dubmdell (556 D)
16 Jan 13 UTC
Why all the Lori Grimes hate?
I'm only through the second episode of season three of Walking Dead, but why all the Lori Grimes hate? We've all done dumb things, like drive off in a car without telling anyone and crashing into a walker, and who hasn't lost a child (a few hundred times), so beyond the obvious complaints (crashing car, losing son), why all the Lori Grimes hate?
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Frank (100 D)
15 Jan 13 UTC
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happy birthday gourd
free jimbo.
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Commander_Cool (131 D)
14 Jan 13 UTC
Leaving Notes in Games
Hi there, I have about ten games going at once atm, and I'm wondering if theres some in-system way of leaving notes for myself regarding each game. Who I'm allied with, etc. Thanks
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Yonni (136 D(S))
11 Jan 13 UTC
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On GM crops
"France, remember, long refused to accept the potato because it was an American import. As one commentator put it recently, Europe is on the verge of becoming a food museum. We well-fed consumers are blinded by romantic nostalgia for the traditional farming of the past. Because we have enough to eat, we can afford to indulge our aesthetic illusions."
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Yonni (136 D(S))
11 Jan 13 UTC
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An interesting lecture. Thought people might enjoy;
http://www.marklynas.org/2013/01/lecture-to-oxford-farming-conference-3-january-2013/
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
11 Jan 13 UTC
I know it's not the point, but I do recall America once calling fries "freedom fries" because the French were all evil and ugly and should have nothing to do with fries that began in Belgium anyway...
I don't recall anyone actually calling them "freedom fries" considering mosr people just call them "fries" anyway. Which presumably has More to do with saving time and being lazy than slighting the French.
I do recall a stupid bit about freedom fries on TV, but never actually anyone order them that way.
Invictus (240 D)
13 Jan 13 UTC
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GM crops are great. The more food the world has the better.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
13 Jan 13 UTC
I've always supported GM crops
semck83 (229 D(B))
13 Jan 13 UTC
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The current crop of GMs is pretty lame, in my opinion, except maybe Pat Riley. I've felt especially let down by Lance Blanks and Mitch Kupchak.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
13 Jan 13 UTC
Larry Bird was a great GM. Hopefully Walsh can follow him up...
Fasces349 (0 DX)
13 Jan 13 UTC
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I'm 9 minutes into the lecture and I have to say, I agree with him an almost everything, not being much of an environmentalist this is a strange concept for me.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
13 Jan 13 UTC
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I don't "like" gmo's per se but I have never seen the real problem with them... I don't like the way Monsanto conducts business, but they're a massive greedy business, what more should I expect...
FlemGem (1297 D)
13 Jan 13 UTC
I have a good friend who is one of the nation's foremost dairy goat farmers. His goats recently developed a strange reproductive disorder that is being analyzed at labs at Iowa State, Purdue, and several other universities, and so far the best hypothesis is that it has something to do with feeding GMO's to the goats. Interesting development.

I have another good friend who is a grain farmer. He says he wouldn't eat the GMO corn that comes out of his fields. Neither of these guys are anything remotely like what you'd consider "green" or "left-wing nutter" or the kind of political types you'd associate with anti-GMO positions. Obviously anecdotal, but interesing stuff from the heart of farming country.
krellin (80 DX)
13 Jan 13 UTC
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I recently read an article about a new GM Atlantic Salmon that is near approval and will be able to be farmed in-land....I can't wait for cheaper salmon to show up in the stores. Woot woot!

bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
13 Jan 13 UTC
Oh, krellin opened the debate on genetically modified *animals*... here we go, bitches...
semck83 (229 D(B))
13 Jan 13 UTC
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Don't sweat it, bo_sox. Animals are just another kind of crop anyway.
krellin (80 DX)
13 Jan 13 UTC
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"crop"..."animal"...they are living structures with DNA at their heart. Particularly for the evolutionist crowd here, it is a rather ridiculous notion to pretend there is a difference between eating GM veggies and meat.

Hell (tongue in cheek...) if God didn't want us to eat GM crops, he wouldn't have let the DNA fit together so nicely...
Fasces349 (0 DX)
13 Jan 13 UTC
I support genetically modified animals, why not?
semck83 (229 D(B))
13 Jan 13 UTC
More seriously: I certainly wouldn't ban GM crops or animals. But I am puzzled by the complete lack of concern of some, the wholesale acceptance.

Consider the following _hypothetical_ scenario. Suppose that there were a food that were genetically modified in such a way that made it much easier to grow tons of it, AND made it taste better, but it also made it (very subtly) into a pretty effective carcinogen if you ate it over a long period of time (say decades), due to a slight change in the chemical structure and how it interacted with the human body.

It seems to me that we would not want this to happen. It also seems to me that it would be very hard to detect if it did (for a long time). It seems to me -- finally -- as if we have no particular way of knowing this isn't actually the case with real-life GM food.

Obviously, you can't just assume that something like that will happen, and ban the process. All that puzzles me is that wholehearted GM supporters never seem to take seriously even the _possibility_ that it could. What is the source of this faith?
Thucydides (864 D(B))
13 Jan 13 UTC
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GMOs are an extremely complicated issue. I could go on and on. It's a massive gray area that needs to be dealt with really delicately. This is what I spend most of my time studying in school actually.

It's promising and worrying at the same time. A lot of potential, a lot of risk, and unfortunately, not a lot of the right kind of research being done at present.

GMO-phobia is usually overblown with hints of irrationalism but is often grounded in very legitimate concerns.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
13 Jan 13 UTC
I wouldn't care if that happens Smeck, fast food is way worse for you then that, and I don't think your opposing fast food (though you might).

I also don't care if I have an increase in the amount of carcinogens in my body decades from now. I care more about solving short term then long term problems. I'm also going to point out the fact that the average age of people dying in cancer is higher, and the number of people dying from cancer (adjusted for population) is lower today then it was in the 1980s.

So who cares about a few carcinogens, I'm pretty sure aspartame is a carcinogen but we all consumer soda like there is no tomorrow.
semck83 (229 D(B))
13 Jan 13 UTC
I was talking about a bad carcinogen, Fasces, something like smoking. Fast food is nowhere near that league. But then, I didn't make that clear.

Otherwise, interesting points. (Except who drinks diet soda? Blech).
semck83 (229 D(B))
13 Jan 13 UTC
(Well, I'll also say that I don't really get how you say that either endemic cancer or helping solve food shortage is a short-term problem. They both seem like long-term problems).
Thucydides (864 D(B))
13 Jan 13 UTC
Another issue that I know none of you who have commented so far will like is who is controlling and developing the GMOs. If they are being sold as a solution for the poor, then it needs to be handled quite a bit differently than how the first Green Revolution was handled, or else we will see more and more crises.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
13 Jan 13 UTC
A good example is Golden Rice, which was dreamed up to answer the criticism that GMOs were not being used to benefit the poor. But Golden Rice was a boondoggle.

As to fast food, and everything else for that matter:

Just so you guys know, if you eat something with corn in it, and that's almost everything, and you live not in Europe, it's almost guaranteed to contain GMOs. Not sure if everyone is aware of that.

It shocks me that the initiative to force labeling of GMOs was defeated thanks to huge donations from agribusiness. It bespeaks something very sinister that they were willing to go to such lengths to deny consumers the right to know and exercise free choice.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
13 Jan 13 UTC
All that said the bare bones technology behind GMOs, i.e. genetic engineering, is probably the only way we'll be able to feed 9 billion people on a scorched Earth in 2050 lol. So it's a give and take.
krellin (80 DX)
13 Jan 13 UTC
Fasces - I suppoert it all, too.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
13 Jan 13 UTC
I drink diet because there isn't that much of a taste difference and the obesity epidemic is much more dangerous for our health then a cancer epidemic, especially considering aspartame is far less of a carcinogen then Tobacco while soda is one of the leading causes of obesity.

Now I apologize for the Obi like post to answer your main question, I don't know, its a tough call, I could play the right-wing nut that I normally play and just declare LET THE FREE MARKET DECIDE! But that wouldn't really answer the question, people are irrational and focus on short term gains and ignore then long run, even when it isn't in their best interest. Fast food is a good example, eating healthier foods would no doubt be better for them, they know this and many of them want to change, but when it comes to buying the meal, they take the burger and fries.

On the topic of fast food, my main reason for supporting the free market in this area is because with inventions like GMOs and factory farming, we have been able to vastly increase the food production of the world, taking millions, if not billions, out of poverty. I would be reluctant to support any regulation that would increase food costs.

That said, fast food is a tricky subject for me, obesity is a massive problem in North America and, especially because I live in a country with universal healthcare, I think its a case where people can make an argument for government intervention.

I guess the most simple argument is that tobacco kills 400,000 people every year in America, but that isn't enough to stop people from smoking the amount that they do. Clearly, as a whole should GMOs that cause cancer be available on the market, if they were cheaper , tastier and more nutritious then regular foods, people would still eat them.

The question is, just because people would prefer it, does it mean its ok? Morally I would be torn, sometimes, morally I am pro-freedom in every way shape or form, but other times I am not, depending on my mode. If I am going to argue from a utilitarian perspective, then this is an interesting question (if I am arguing from egoist or deontological ethics, then I would be in favour of GMOs hands down).

Would it be better for the short term benefits (happiness, monetary and lower poverty) but giving us a big long run problem (cancer), or would it be better to avoid the long run problem but giving us all the short term ones?

I would say that in this instance the short term benefits outway the long term costs because:
1. Being overly optimistic I could claim that cancer might be cured before this becomes a problem. Though I shouldn't, and wont, use this as the center of my argument because its probably an unlikely wish.
2. I think the benefits from decreased poverty are more then enough to justify an increase in cancer deaths.

The life expectancy of a smoker in Ontario is 75 (According to the Institute for Clinical Evaluative Sciences, Public Health Ontario), which, while lower then the life expectancy of Europe, North America and Japan, is far higher then the life expectancy of most of the world, poverty and malnutrion being one of the reasons.

I would therefore conclude that it would serve a net benefit to use GMOs, even if they were a proven carcinogen (which keep in mind they aren't).
semck83 (229 D(B))
13 Jan 13 UTC
Thanks for your answer Fasces. I'm too busy to respond in detail right now, and honestly, I have little to say anyway -- I don't have strong opinions on this. My complaint was just that I just don't understand the attitude of some supporters. Now I understand yours better. Thank you.

I will say this: "That said, fast food is a tricky subject for me, obesity is a massive problem in North America and, especially because I live in a country with universal healthcare, I think its a case where people can make an argument for government intervention. "

I think this kind of thing is one of the best arguments _against_ universal healthcare, at least for anybody vaguely libertarian. It's just fundamentally incompatible with freedom in the long term.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
13 Jan 13 UTC
"(Well, I'll also say that I don't really get how you say that either endemic cancer or helping solve food shortage is a short-term problem. They both seem like long-term problems)."
The reason I am treating poverty like a short-term problem and cancer like a long-term one is simply because poverty is killing more people right now, and cancer causing foods would see the decline in poverty long before the increase in cancer would be seen.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
13 Jan 13 UTC
I am against universal healthcare, I think I have made that known on this site in the past, I was just stating that people killing themselves in the long run is a problem that the free market won solve, and the problem is worse in countries with universal healthcare because, as a morally bankrupt self-interested rational being, if you smoke, because I have to pay the tab on your chemotherapy, I want smoking banned. While if I wasn't in a country with UHC, I would be like, your body your rules.
semck83 (229 D(B))
13 Jan 13 UTC
Oh I know -- I didn't mean you weren't against it. I was just pointing out that it has that pernicious effect.

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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
14 Jan 13 UTC
Why is the forum so slow to load?
Lately it's been taking forever with everything. I demand more speed. I'm an American, and I pay my taxes.
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Conservative Man (100 D)
10 Jan 13 UTC
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Please pray for my mom
For those of you who believe in God, or, hell, those of you who don't if you're willing, please pray for my mom. If you remember my post from a week ago, she had a brain aneurysm, and now the pressure in her brain is increasing and she is probably going to die. So please pray.
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