The key statement by Mr. Rosen

In the education for-profit world, higher education institutions that cheat their customers or that aim at only short-term profits will not survive. Meanwhile public and private not-for-profits can remain in business regardless of how badly they behave.

Just look at the out of work supposedly educated graduates of our public and private not-for-profit institutions of higher learning living in a tent at an occupy cess pool near you.

No one at a for-profit higher education institution has tenure either.
Deliver results or get fired!

Oh how America's unionized elementary and high school system screams out for that type of reform to reverse the abysmal failures of the last few decades.
Teaching should be quality controlled and student performance strictly measured.

Just yesterday Obozo did exactly the opposite by freeing 10 states full of failing public school teachers from strictly measure assessment under no-child left behind.

I hope you aren't unfortunate enough to have your child attend a failing public school in the United States. It is getting harder and harder to avoid them.

You know you could just write this in a diary and it would save the rest of us from having to look at it.

Sicarius, I am so glad you made this post. For a few days now, I have been worried that I accidentally muted someone and was missing the inbetween dialogue. Good to know this was a monologue the whole time!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju3h7yk4Hcg

This is how I imagine TC to be like.

So true!

Yes, i have been forcing myself not to respond to such nonsense. I would hate to give him any pleasure by arguing with him. I love that YouTube clip.

Definition of "nonsense."
Believing that the current publicly funded higher education model that produces graduates with mountains of debt that the skills they acquired in school can't pay off is working.

That is the definition of nonsense.

I was very satisfied with my public education. I will have 0 debt after getting my Master's and after talking to a number of other people in similar fields, believe I received an equal if not better education. Now, is that true of all departments at my university? Certainly not. But, I didn't attend those other departments, so I really don't care.

public education is better, imo, then private.

With private education there is such a high emphisas on marks, the schools give free grades and bell curve to get a higher percentage of the classes to graduate and boast that they have a high grad rate...

I was satisfied with my public education too. I was educated before there were teacher's unions in America though. I was satisfied with my children's public education, but I had to move to a good school district.

What about people who live in the inner cities of America? There public school education is total shit. Who cares though? Obviously know one because there is no move to improve their schools. Fuck them! They are poor, right? The unionized teachers in their schools aren't to blame for one fucking thing, and do everything right, right?

What a total crock of bullshit.

As far as higher education, enrollment at for profit universities grows every single year. What could the idiots going to a for profit school be thinking?
I guess they notice that tuition at publicly funded higher education is growing at four to five times the rate of inflation and the quality of instruction is falling at about the same rate with money wasted on worthless academic programs that don't even begin to prepare their graduates for meaningful, productive lives.

The next bubble my head in the sand friends is the college loan bubble because the United States has loaned more money to undergraduates to get degrees than credit card companies have loaned every individual in the entire country.

And the degrees a near majority of those graduates hold can't even make them enough money to pay back their student loans, much less allow them to establish self-supporting careers and families.

That's why Peter Thiel is offering $100,000 scholarships to students to go to work in the real world, and learn real skills, and begin real lives by leaving the debt and failure of America's higher education system behind.

Lol, TC likes to pretend he cares about the poor. But welfare payments, unions for poor workers and other help given is useless crap.

@TC

I just received my degree and it was fine.

I'll admit I didn't look long, but can you please link me to some for-profit institutes that have decent engineering programs? I couldn't find any.


"And the degrees a near majority of those graduates hold can't even make them enough money to pay back their student loans, much less allow them to establish self-supporting careers and families."

Honestly, I attribute this more to people picking unsustainable majors and going to over-priced universities. I don't think this has to be the case, even without for-profit universities.

For instance, if money is really tight, go to CC for 2 years, get the basics down and then transfer. I know plenty of people who do this and, honestly, they fair a lot better than people who went to university for 4 years. Want to major in something that doesn't make a lot of money? Fine, but don't go to a $40k/year school. Go to a public school which is more like $20k/year.

And by $20k/year, I really mean more like $10k/year if you aren't boarding.

Abgemacht,
Stanford, Cal Tech Pasadena, MIT, etc. etc.

Reach between your legs, pull your head out of your ass, and an amazing world will open up for you!

I went to a Santa Monica CC, UCLA, and CSUN.
This was back in the day before administrative bloat and the obscene salaries, pensions, and benefits railroaded by the CFA and other faculty unions through Sacramento.

Now you public universities charge you more tuition and give you a part-time lecturer or a graduate TA in as many classes as they can.

No way this model can compete with for profit.

@TC

There's no need to be fresh. I politely asked a simple question. Considering how half this forum has you muted, I'd think you'd be interested in someone who was actually trying to have a conversation with you.

I didn't realize that's what you meant by for-profit. I thought you were talking about places like ITT Tech, and University of Phoenix, and Devry.

Yes, MIT, Standford, etc are amazing, truly amazing schools. But, imho, they are not the lubricious price tag, especially for undergrad.

I got a great education for somewhere around $55k. That's less than what 2 years at MIT would cost. It simply isn't worth it.

That sentence got a bit messed up:

they are not worth the ludicrous price tag...

Meanwhile public and private not-for-profits can remain in business regardless of how badly they behave.

Your confusion is reasonable, abgemacht.

The list above are of non-profit private universities.

Private universities are not for profit? Thanks for the laugh Barn3tt. That's rich!

Abegmacht, I guess you think that spitting in someones face is polite. Blow it out your hypocritical sensitivity out your ass.

I guess you don't realize that anyone with academic excellence finds it much more affordable to go to MIT etc. because those institutions aren't dependent on the largess of corrupt politicians momentarily occupying a seat of authority.

A poor kid with a brain would leave MIT with a lot less debt than attending Cal Berkeley.

TC, you are speaking authoritatively about things you obviously know nothing about. Yes, private schools, university level or otherwise, are non-profit. They obtain 501c3 status making them.... non-profit.

Should read many privates schools

Barn3tt, non-profits are registered with the IRS.
Stanford is not registered as a non-profit.
Educate yourself if you want to debate.

http://www.edutrek.com/california/school/summary/stanford-university

um, no

The Hospitals at Stanford are non-profit California corporations, but they are separate from the university. I'll look up the corporation papers for Stanford with the California AG.

I can't find any school listed in California as a non-profit organization.

someone just got educated

Some more confirmation

http://www.stanford.edu/dept/legal/legalfacts_su.html