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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
18 Dec 11 UTC
Any graduate student/professor of Psychology on this site?
I am interested in doing a correlational study concerning the game of Diplomacy and its players. For starter, I want to correlate myers-briggs/keirsey personalities and general intelligence with game performance, chat frequency, and country preference.
If you are interested, please post here or PM me if you are concerned with your RL identity (preferred).
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
17 Dec 11 UTC
Ghost-Ratings up for November and December
As usual, they can be found on:
tournaments.webdiplomacy.net

I normally don't comment on these, but... I'll just say, look at the gap at the top of the list at your own risk...
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
18 Dec 11 UTC
George Will at it again. Brilliant!
In 1927, the corrupt politicians of Washington state created a monopoly of ferry rights on Lake Chelan to a company owned by cronies. Today a pair of brothers have a case challenging this monopoly and Will writes brilliantly about it. If you European and not American don't waste your time.
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Putin33 (111 D)
19 Dec 11 UTC
Theocratic Tyrant Vaclav Havel Dead
http://www.countercurrents.org/parenti191211.htm

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Niakan (192 D)
20 Dec 11 UTC
Why are there bad players in the world?
Rant to follow:
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
18 Dec 11 UTC
Does this site work on Blackberry?
Just curious.
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Yonni (136 D(S))
20 Dec 11 UTC
24-7 gives me the tingles
Just watched the episode one of Flyers-Rangers and, man, is it ever good?
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dubjamaica (0 DX)
20 Dec 11 UTC
Live Game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=75335 5min turn JOIN
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
16 Dec 11 UTC
A Message from the Mods
1) Please join me in congratulating FK on his promotion to Admin
2) I have drafted a set of guidelines containing every possible scenario I could think of. It is being reviewed by the rest of the mod team now. Although Mods will still have autonomy, it will serve as an official reference for us, so we can do a better job at making consistent decisions.
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
19 Dec 11 UTC
Predict the future of Nationalism.
It may be useful to look at the history of Nationalism...
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/405644/nationalism

I suppose it is also useful to note how nations educate their young about nationalism...
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Niakan (192 D)
09 Dec 11 UTC
Face-to-face Diplomacy in NYC
The website told me to write a four-line summary because my post was too big :oops: I'm organizing a Face-to-Face game in New York City, with the hopes to eventually create a "proper" F2F community! Pitch follows.
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youradhere (1345 D)
19 Dec 11 UTC
Simply a Replacement for Simply Diplomacy
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=74369#gamePanel

England is in good position, two builds coming. I would strongly recommend joining.
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noiseunit (853 D)
17 Dec 11 UTC
How do you define metagaming?
I am curious to know a clear and definite description of metagaming and at what point does playing with friends become a violation.
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Baskineli (100 D(B))
19 Dec 11 UTC
Hosting a game at my home
I want to host a game at my home with my friends, showing webdiplomacy map on TV screen and using it as move validator. Is there a way to enter orders for all of my friends, using only one user? Some sort of 'game super-user'?
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Maniac (189 D(B))
17 Dec 11 UTC
Maniac Invitational for GR 200-300 Players
Any of these players or others with GR 200-300 fancy a game?
The Czech, Diplomat33, mr.crispy, Spell of Wheels, Countess Tillian, JECE, Yellowjacket, Ursa, WhiteSammy and dD_ShockTrooper

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Jamiet99uk (873 D)
19 Dec 11 UTC
Interrobang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrobang

Let's discuss‽
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
17 Dec 11 UTC
Rail Baron
Anyone else play this game?
Playing with a bunch of people now; probably the best non-war board game I've played.
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Pepijn (212 D(S))
08 Dec 11 UTC
EOG - SoW Summer 2011 Game 2
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Draugnar (0 DX)
17 Dec 11 UTC
Ron Paul is officially an idiot...
I just watched him tell Jay Leno he is against seatbelt laws. His argument that people have a right to do with their own body is all fine and good, but seatlbelts keep the driver behind the wheel and in better copntrol of their car, therbye protecting the lives of others. He has just proven he is an idiot that can't be put in power.
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MadMarx (36299 D(G))
13 Dec 11 UTC
MadMarx ABI-VII EoG's
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=70171
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Yonni (136 D(S))
13 Dec 11 UTC
Just wrote an exhausting EoG for the SoW so I'm probably not going to write one for here. The game was fun though so thanks to everyone.

Hellalt, not sure if your ranting was necessary...

It was pretty embarrassing to post all my ideas on the global thread but no harm no foul, right?

MM, I assume that if you were playing a higher level of competition you would have drawn earlier? We really were at the line for a while... I normally don't get annoyed. Y that but I wanted my dip points so I could try join tru's new game.
When life gives you lemons, convoy into wales
Yonni (136 D(S))
13 Dec 11 UTC
Well, now i really want the news gr to be published
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
13 Dec 11 UTC
Wow... I read some hellalt press... brutal... think he would have been included in the draw if he wasn't such a dick to the other players?
no, he got outplayed
ghug (5068 D(B))
14 Dec 11 UTC
I was definitely considering him letting him keep Munich until he started sending messages telling me I was stupid for not defending Munich before I had even checked the game.
Frankly, I'll say that I don't know how Mad Max is such a good diplomat. I find his negotiating style intolerable and his justifications obnoxious. I understand I am lacking in this department as well but I don't understand why people chose to side with snake oil salesmen over straight shooters.
This will probably be the only time that an opponent who lied and attacked me from the outset had the nerve to suggest that he couldn't work with me because he was unable to trust me.
ghug (5068 D(B))
14 Dec 11 UTC
Okay, now my EoG:

1901:
This was the third or fourth game in a row in which I had started as Italy, All of the other games had had early and quite obvious Juggernauts. My slight boredom with the AI combined with almost no press from Russia made me decide that an IT seemed like the most favorable option. Austria saw through me and went for Venice, and Russia and Turkey seemed a little too friendly, I had to reassess my options. I reconciled with Austria and decided to move back to hit France with England and Germany, as it was probably my only source of centers for fighting the Juggernaut.

1902:
Builds left little doubt about the Juggernaut, and Spring moves confirmed it. Things went quite well in France, but England lost a center and Germany was beginning to grow a bit too rapidly. I made the decision to only send one unit into France, as it seemed like Austria was going to fall quite quickly, and England and Germany weren't ready to hit Russia yet.

1903:
I agreed to give England Spain this year to fight France off in exchange for all of Iberia in the near future. Germany and England were ready to hit Russia, and I began sliding my army further east. Turkey chose to move an army into Greece, which bottled up his fleets and probably saved me in the long run. England and I began talking more in depth about the possibility of a German stab, as the Juggernaut was losing momentum, he was growing quite quickly, he was quite open, and he wasn't being very friendly.

Spring 1904:
Germany agreed to support me into Warsaw but instead attempted what may be the worst stab attempt I've ever seen. I slid into Spain in the fall with England's permission. With Turkey bottled up and Russia weakened by the overaggressive German, I had less to worry about with the Juggernaut and many expansion opportunities.

1905:
Germany told me something along the lines of "don't fucking take Marseilles back, shithead!" England gave me a nice logical argument for leaving Portugal his, that was all I really needed to make my decision. Austria and I caught a break on the Turkish NMR, and Russia turned his focus to Germany and left us alone. Things continued to look up, and although England was gaining slightly more quickly than I would have liked, it wasn't too much of a concern yet.

1906:
I was planning on taking Portugal this year, but I misordered my fleet back to Tyr, which ultimately lead to England getting pretty much all of Germany's centers and me having little leverage. I was a little worried about an Austrian stab here too because he barely sent any press in the Spring phase, and I didn't get a chance to respond to him until very late, but all was fine and I was able to resume movement, only slowed by about a year. Turkey seemed resigned to holding in his corner, and Austria was dealing quite well with Russia, so I was in a position with no real enemies and good options.

1907:
I moved to take Portugal and Munich, and for a short time considered helping Germany hold, but I decided that it was going to fall eventually, he was being rude, and I really didn't want England to become more of a solo threat than he already was. Austria, England, and I planned to eliminate Russia and Turkey and take the 3-way. I was cautious, but England didn't really have a high enough army density to do any serious damage yet.

1908:
England seemed to be holding true to his word, I was hopeful that the game would end in a draw in just two or three more years. In the fall, England decided it was time to kill of France, and decided to be honest and tell him, as there was nothing he could do to stop it. Almost immediately after England told me that, I was hit with a storm of messages from France asking for support into Kiel. I wasn't inclined to believe him given the circumstances, but I decided to give him his support, as no real harm could come of it. I can't say I saw the English stab coming, but I was in the process of repositioning to prevent one from happening, so I ended up in a decent position to hold him off until reinforcements arrived.

1909:
Shitshitshitshitshit, England's coming! I was quite worried, but his advance had been slow, and I was confident that we could stop the solo if nobody did anything stupid. England told me he was probably going to give up after a year if he made no real progress so that we could eliminate Turkey, but I didn't really trust him. I guess he had to try for the solo, but I don't really think it was the best attempt, and it just ended up increasing the draw pool.

1909:
I realized that I wouldn't be able to hold indefinitely in Piedmont if he made it into the Gulf of Lyons, and asked Austria to move his extra army in through Venice to help hold him off. I think most of the board, including England, saw this as an attempt to get rid of me and reduce the draw size, which made me rethink things and scared me quite a bit. He told me he was going to try to get them to eliminate me, and I thought he would be able to pull it off with his silver tongue. I really should have trusted my allies more here, as I could have pretty easily thrown the game to England, and they were smart enough to know that. They stayed loyal and I think England saw that it was done at that point and just drew.

Again, good game everyone. @MM, I liked the idea and setup of the blind invitational, but I don't really think you're ever really going to be able to hide yourself from anyone. You have a quite distinctive diplomatic style (every message you send is a lengthy essay) that makes it hard to hide yourself, even to those of us who have never played with you before.
ghug (5068 D(B))
14 Dec 11 UTC
Whoops, read "Spring 1904" as "1904," don't know why I added Spring there.
ghug (5068 D(B))
14 Dec 11 UTC
Oh, and I'm really excited for new GRs as well, I hate being stuck at 1000.
MadMarx (36299 D(G))
14 Dec 11 UTC
Santa, my negotiating style tends to reflect the cirucumstances and especially the individual I'm negotiating with. If someone is nice to me, I tend to be nice to them, if someone is an ass to me, then I shift into Golden Rule mode and do unto them as they do unto me.

Anyway, as far as not trusting you, it was nothing personal, I just expected you'd want to get revenge on me, so, yes, I stabbee you and/or lied to you, and because I did that, I then could not fully trust you because I feared you'd want to get revenge on me.

Finally, and for the record, I consider an NMR a stab. If an ally NMRs, it totally screws me over since my plans are typically highly coordinated with my ally, so if I can't count on an ally, then I then are not part of the solution, and if they are not part of the solution, they are part of the problem. Once you NMR'd in here, I, clearly, could not trust you any more, just look at my orders and you will see all faith I had in you was lost at that point, so I had to just kill you off.

I'll do a real EoG, but I have to do one for ABI-36 first, I think, so I wanted to comment on that a bit.
MadMarx (36299 D(G))
14 Dec 11 UTC
ghug, I know I can't hide myself from most people, I don't try, I mainly like anonymous to hide people from me, I don't want to know who anyone is, I just want to respond to the in-game press and moves and play that way, and I'm crap at figuring out who is who in games. Most of the time people don't join my games to identify me and immediately kill me (but I still have my theory about uclabb!), and another aspect I like about anon is that I ask people not to discuss who is who in the hopes that three people don't just say, "hey, want to kill off MM", I think anonymous helps to keep that sort of metagaming against me to a minimum.
Draugnar (0 DX)
14 Dec 11 UTC
Ah, but HWMNBM, we are doing well as allies in our game with Babak, are we not? Not everyone jumps you just cause of your GR/points. Some of us just play and let game conditions determine alliances and assaults.
Draugnar (0 DX)
14 Dec 11 UTC
HWMNBN...
bull shit MM, you don't consider an NMR a stab. You were just fine with it when it occurred, even said it was no big deal, said you realized it was a mistake, then all of a sudden when the time came when it was convenient to kick me out, my accidental NMR was a mortal sin. You make bs excuses to cover the fact that you told me you were taking me to the end, (unsolicited I might add because I knew I couldn't trust you and therefore saw no reason to ask for it) and then inevitably decided to go for the solo, killing me. I don't have a problem with finishing me off, I have a problem with you insisting it was because of something I did, which is false.

"I can't say I saw the English stab coming, but I was in the process of repositioning to prevent one from happening, so I ended up in a decent position to hold him off until reinforcements arrived."

I think the flurry of messages i sent had something to do with that, am I wrong?
MadMarx (36299 D(G))
14 Dec 11 UTC
Do to!
yes and a week after the fact you pay me back.

Somehow I think this statement is more true than the bull shit you have spewed this entire thread.

"(To: You, from England) - Autumn, 1908: Your life in here was always temporary, you knew that, you were living on borrowed time."

Wait Marx... which one is it... I was living on borrowed time, or you were committed to taking me until the end until I "stabbed you" by one freak NMR?

Give me a break
ghug (5068 D(B))
14 Dec 11 UTC
Santa, I thought it was a distinct possibility that it would happen at some point, but I thought you were just trying to save yourself with those messages.
Despite the fact i showed you that he was carrying out the plans to stab you that I had suggested to him almost to the letter? I thought that is what convinced you.

Man I couldn't get anyone to listen to me that game
My EOG, doing it best from my memory

Pregame: Talk to England and Germany both of whom seem conducive to a move into Belgium. Going to be a bit more aggressive this time than usual and go for 3 builds..

S:01 Ah shit, that may be all, Germany hits Burgundy against an agreed upon DMZ, England moves into the channel dispite an agreed upon DMZ. Even more alarming is there are no excuses, it seems there is no desire to consider my position. My last hope is Italy stabbing up through Tyr who could perhaps take Munich but when I broach the topic his response is borderline mocking. I hold out hope there and put my hopes in a guerilla defense, with which I will collapse all my units onto my SCs hoping that Sp-Mar will bounce and allow me at least 1 build.

A 01: No dice, I keep all my SCs but no builds to be had. Even worse, Italy ignored my suggestion as expected and moved to Piedmont. With the Jugg forming there is a compelling interest to exploit my weakness quickly and forcefully. I frantically try to divide the triple alliance but even I know this will be futile.

Sp02: The flurry of messages sent out during retreats and builds is futile. England brushes off my warnings of a central alliance due to the juggernaut. Germany feigns sympathy and strings me on. Moves come and it gets worse. I expected Italian Germany cooperation and instead there was English German cooperation. Germany is deep in France, England is down the coast, and Italy is poised to strike. But England has foolishly left the Channel open and anticipating that I slipped into the channel.

Another string of messages follows harping on the pitiful returns the of man out of this triple will get, but the jugger has caused the three not to care. I make proposals that deal with the jugger but they are brushed aside, Italy ignores, Germany delays, and England actually SCOLDS me for my terse writing style and supposed unrealistic approach. When I make a proposal he finds somewhat realistic he says he doesn't trust me (despite the fact he stabbed me) and gives me an ambiguous response which further aggravates me. I decide here to go down aggressively if I must go down at all. I inform T&R of the Triple's Jugg preparations send them a secret alliance offer and offer to hold up the response to the Jugg as much as i can if i am spared at the end of the game. They agree. I look for the best way to cause havok

A: 02... As France falls I convoy my army into London which I know will be open. A move to open spain allows for my convoying fleet to survive as well. The plan wll be to allow for the army to survive as long as possible in England for revenge on the most obnoxious of my assailants.

Sp 03: I expect England will attempt a convoy into yourk, which he does, and I block it. I also expect a move into Wales, so i attempt to block that, but for some reason he moves to the channel and my fleet slips into wales with Liverpool wide open

A 03: I see checkmate now but I can be a pain in the ass for one more turn. I talk to Germany about possibly working with me to prolong my game by "accidently" abandoning brest before he takes the SC therefore allowing to be a continued thorn in England's side. Germany does his old delaying, non-commital dance, and having seen this before I move on. So I move both units north sacrificing London for Liverpool. I keep the army for its added threat inland.

S 04: A comment on global I make about Germany's expansion shows that several of the players notice it and are apprehensive. After I (legitimately thinking i was finished) thanked everyone for a good game, it hit me that I could use my "pain-in-England's-ass" status to prolong my game and possibly even survive. I contact England, saying the jug is dead and the real threat is Germany. I tell him that if he wanted to kill my unit he was going to have to waste a year and a half positioning up to 3 units, killing my army, then repositioning for a stab on Germany.

Instead I suggest he wastes no time, convoys me over to denmark with his attack and make his stab a lightning blow that would cut out the heart of Germany's territory. England is at first wary, but after showing him painstakingly that he had absolutely nothing to lose he gave a noncommital response but went along with the plan. He was so happy with the result and my humorous global mesage about it he promised he would take me to the end. I did not necessarily believe it but then again I had no choice.

Here to end. I suggested England all sorts of strategies, some he took, most he didn't. I did not believe England's constant pledges that I would either be taken into a draw or allowed to survive (depending on the message) and always had my eye on escape. Originally the idea was to get Germany to support me into Kiel where I would be a lynchpin of a stalemate line but it turned out Germany was fading far too fast for that. Instead I helped England consolidate his gains with the hope he would follow through on plan B- convoy me into eastern Europe where I would sneak into warsaw with austrian help and become the lynchpin of a stalemate line. I soon noticed England was moving east himself which ended my hopes. I was stuck and I knew Italy was in England's pocket so I was afraid of working with him, especially as he focused on the south. When England moved into livonia and Prussia I knew it was over, which was reinforced after Mad Max said he was doing me a favor by ending my game. I informed Italy of the plan I had suggested to England in which MM would stab Italy, and I thought this convinced Italy to help me out (which i have recently found out is not true). Italy supported me into Kiel but it was not enough, I should have done it a turn earlier. Oh well.
"Another string of messages follows harping on the pitiful returns the of man out of this triple will get,"

meaning i tried to show that someone was going to inevitably be shafted by the triple and get left with 1 sc
ghug (5068 D(B))
14 Dec 11 UTC
He hadn't really done anything significant, he only really acted on those plans that turn. My thought process was more along the lines of "he's a really good player, if he were going to stab for the solo now he would have subtly moved into a better position to do it." In retrospect, you were right, and I was an idiot. MM fooled me.
ha yeah, because as i showed you, he made the exact moves that i ha suggested he take in order to most effectively stab you. Either way you moved enough to hold him off.
ghug (5068 D(B))
14 Dec 11 UTC
He did move exactly as you had suggested, but that was on the same turn in which you were defeated, which I probably couldn't have done anything about anyway.
ghug (5068 D(B))
14 Dec 11 UTC
Lol Santa, I just realized that we were both in the disqualified invitational...
MadMarx (36299 D(G))
14 Dec 11 UTC
Yeah, game VII had some disqualified people, but I figured people would not expect it, and I was trying to fill up one last game...
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
14 Dec 11 UTC
I want hellalt's opinion on how everybody else's poor play got him excluded from the draw.
ghug (5068 D(B))
15 Dec 11 UTC
Same, it would be quite interesting.

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johnnyw (100 D)
19 Dec 11 UTC
Fast game?
want a fun game look up fast paced game for fun
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dep5greg (644 D)
18 Dec 11 UTC
Best Alliance in the Game?
What is the best alliance in the game? France-England? A western triple? Juggernaut? Austria-Russia-Turkey? what is the best one?
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Baskineli (100 D(B))
18 Dec 11 UTC
Railroad Tycoon
I remember this awesome game, and the amount of time I've "burnt" on it. Is there a more modern version of it, or something close to it?
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stratagos (3269 D(S))
25 Nov 11 UTC
School of War Winter 2011
Since the original thread is several hundred posts long, consider this the kickoff for SoW Winter 2011
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Ernst_Brenner (782 D)
18 Dec 11 UTC
Misorders?
Anyone else experiencing odd misorders in more than one game?
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
16 Dec 11 UTC
H. Kissinger's Associates
Invitation follows.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
17 Dec 11 UTC
Everyone's Holiday Reading? (Suggestions?)
Well, it's the Holidays--sorry, it's "CHRISTMAS TIME," for all those "War on Christmas" folks--and I know we have a lot of avid readers on the site...and I just finished the two novels I had left over from my semester's worth of free reading ("The Brothers Karamazov," which was decent but 200 pages too long, and "Tess of the D'urbervilles," which was good, if not a tad anti-climactic) and I was wondering--what's everyone reading? Suggestions?
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Sebass (114 D)
17 Dec 11 UTC
POST LIVE GAMES HERE
A list of new games, closer to the top of the forum
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taos (281 D)
17 Dec 11 UTC
jugernaut
can someone please exlpain jugernaut
i cant really understand how it works and why it is such a strong aliance
the times i tried to do it didnt really work
the rest of the players unite against it and i cant see the advatage
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SpeakerToAliens (147 D(S))
17 Dec 11 UTC
Craziest man in the world!
I just had to share this. It's awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFQc7VRJowk&sns=fb
His comment "Well, I came extremely close on that one!" is somewhat of an understatement.
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