Nature is the 99% also

2011=1968?

I think the social movement going on now have alot more in common with those in the 30's than the 60's

headline today
'Seattle Cops Pepper Spray A Priest, An 84 Year Old Lady & A Pregnant Woman At Occupy Protest '

good job pigs

Yeah, it's not like the police, unprovoked, used tear gas against a peaceful crowd on a sidewalk or in a public park for no reason, as the headline by itself might lead you to believe...

CBS (note I'm not even touching a so-called 'conservative' source) says that one man in the crowd threw an unknown liquid at a cop's face and a young woman swung a stick at an officer and when the crowd moved in to help her as officers tried to arrest her that that's when the pepper spray was used.

In addition, the crowd was 'peacefully' demonstrating in the middle of an intersection blocking downtown rush hour traffic and refused repeated warnings to move. Dunno if you've been to downtown Seattle, but there isn't much place for traffic to detour if a downtown intersection is blocked. This is no minor inconvenience this is a major threat to order. How many old women and pregnant women couldn't get to the hospital in time because the streets were blocked by protesters? This wasn't reported on, and probably isn't even known, but did any of the protesters stop to think that this was a possibility?

Denying use of public roads is definitely not a right (I checked the bill of rights, it's not in there), and when you get down to it, its against the law, so you break a law, prepare to face the consequences.

After looking at all the details, this definitely sounds like police brutallity to me.. A police force establishing law and order so the city can function and having to protect themselves from assault in the process.

Good job twisting the story here..

Here's the link:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57325688/pregnant-woman-pepper-sprayed-at-occupy-seattle/

Read the entire article, including the well hidden explanation at the end about why pepper spray was used.

Disclaimer, lest responders resort to the "You greedy heartless bastard" personal attack:

I'm not saying its a good thing that the priest, 84 year old woman, and the pregnant woman got sprayed, but if you refuse to move out of rush hour traffic when police request that you do so and you are part of a crowd that is getting a bit rowdy and assaulting the cops, you place yourself at risk and I no longer feel that sorry for you...

Nice, Babak. :)

Cops : army of the 1%

speaking of that, have you ever seen a john carpenter movie called they live? It's pretty ok if you can get through the pointless 20 minute fight scene between rowdy roddy piper and 'im the voice on the army commercials' keith david.

As usual, middle class whingers complaining that the right to assembly is inconvenient for them, so they support brutal actions by the police.

Yes....84 year olds have earned the right to break the law, right? Moron....

Maybe you would think that an 84 year old would have the god-given sense to obey the police when they give you fair warning.

So, jackass, I suppose if your house gets broken in to you will not be calling the police, huh? After all, they are "pigs", the "army of the 1%" blah blah blah. what sort of a fucked up education have you had that your thought processes are so twisted and wrong? You know, "Cops" happen to be part of the 99% that you claim to love, moron. So...you really are NOT in support of the cause of the 99%, because you apparently HATE part of the group of people you claim to love. I, as a matter of fact, am part of the 99%, and you hate me and what I believe, too. Fool.

Maybe you would think an 84 year old has seen enough shit in their life to recognize when the police are just being bullies.

No I wont, I have never and will never call the police for anything, EVER. I will deal with it myself or it wont get dealt with. I am not a child, I dont need my hnd to be held, I dont need to call a "grown-up" if I have a problem.
"Cant someone else do it?"

Yes cops are in the 99%, but they are FOR the 1%. The cops will always come to break the strike, gas the march, shoot the dissidents.
also I have never claimed to love the 99% You are mashing up things you seen on TV and applying them to me.

Cool! Everyone to Sic's place (wherever he is squatting right now) and we can beat the fuck out of him because he won't call the police. Let's beat him to within an inch of his life and see if he sticks by this "will never call the police" of his.

If I was a cop I would totally spear a small pregnant woman in the spleen with my billy club. She shouldn't be there.

So if you come over and beat me to within an inch of my life, will calling the police make me somehow not beaten? So calling the police would do what? get you into trouble? punish you? I can do that far more effectively myself than the police ever could. I mean, they are the masters of terror and punishment, but I am not under the illusion they will use those skills to actually help anyone.

I like how union haters like Krellin love the police except when they want a union contract. Yeah, keep pretending you love the police, buddy.

I hope people caught Draugnar's blatant threats of physical violence against another poster. Draugnar is not above resorting to this type of thing.

"If I was a cop I would totally spear a small pregnant woman in the spleen with my billy club. She shouldn't be there."

You're really a despicable human being. I can't believe you claimed to be on the left.

@ putin

draugnar is a blowhard and was using threats to make a point only.
And if not, he is a forty something gelatinous blob. I am young and spry, and having not grown up easily I am no stranger to fights.

So a lady come us to you desperately sobbing in the street and screams "Call the police! A man attacked me and kidnapped my child and drove away!"
You would "deal with it yourself" and you wouldn't call the police for that woman...
I could come up with these all day, but I think 1 serves my point just as well.
And just because you hear about a few "bad" police officers doesn't mean they are all bad, or that even a majority are, speaking in absolutes is just ignorant and naive.

lol YJ. Putin you realize he's trolling right?

On the matter of police force being used against protesters the problem is this. The police are a part of the social structure that has all the power. They are part of the system that people are protesting against. Their use of force at a protest is essentially the use of force in favour of the people who already have power.

As to the "blocking a major intersection" argument...ummm those kinds of disruptions are the sort of thing a protest actually needs to create in order to be effective. At the risk of being cliche, if someone holds a protest in a forest, and no one else is around to see it, does it make a difference?

And finally a friend of mine paraphrased Isaac Asimov to make a point the other day. "It is wrong to think 'throwing a sign at a police officer is acceptable'. It is also wrong to think 'pepper spraying protesters is acceptable'. But it is more wrong than both of those statements to think 'pepper spraying protesters is as wrong as throwing signs at police officers'."

thread hijacked.

back to the topic I initially posted. can the resident conservatives please go enjoy their own thread please... I posted the initial 3 links to YouTube videos for folks who have a genuine desire to understand the OWS crowds and demands. if you do not give a shit, move on. if you are here to insult others, go start your own thereads.

if you opened this link to learn something, see something, get more knowledge, those three videos are some of the best I could point you to for your own edification.

@ jmo
I really dislike hypotheticals.
but no I wouldnt call the police.
I dont have a phone.

Eden, how dare you suggest that!

I mean everything I say, unless I mean the exact opposite.

leif, can I put that on whitewhine.com?

Oh, the police said it. Therefore it must be right/correct/true/just.

No real change has ever occurred with people being nice and letting the world roll on as usual. Things have only changed when people have kicked up a fuss and disrupted the usual business and thereby forcing change.

Yes...as opposed to what? the constant attitude of the whiny, bitching youth on this site who believe, "If the police said it, it must be a lie"? Yes...EVERYBODY in the world in any position of authority is ALWAYS evil and corrupt and out to screw you. lol You people are pathetic.

I hope should you ever get mugged or have your house broken in to or something that you will have the moral consistency to NOT call the pigs, whom you so despise. but...asking for a consistent thought process or pattern of behavior from you left wing nutjobs is like asking for the sun to shit ice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvC4xq32AX8