dammit guys...he caught on :(

Don't try to distract me from the truth Kestas. Just admit the truth.

No.

Just thought of a better thread title:

"KESTAS: THE ULTIMATE MULTI-ACCOUNTER"

Forget this site. How do you know you aren't the only sentient being and everything else is just in your head.

"How do you know you aren't the only sentient being"

That would just be ridiculous.

Nah, there are two of us. Laughing alone just isn't as fun.

Bah, this thread is *so* three weeks ago - we discussed how you're all my multiple personalities back then!

According to Rene Descartes, there is the reality and the dream/illusion, and however sure you may be that you are in the reality, you can never be sure that you, in fact, are not having your senses tricked and through that, or through some other means, that your body and everything you see, in fact, in the illusion.

But he ALSO states that because he has a self-awareness/soul/spirit of being, he knows that he DOES, in fact, EXIST- but in what form and where are constantly in doubt.

I am aware I exist, so I do exist, I am a seperate account- but perhaps YOU, thucydides, are an illusion.

(Let's all humour, eh?) :) Still, love Descartes, brilliant philosopher.......

I made a mistake, kestasjk cannot and does not post messages under different accounts, this site was not set up as a cover for right wing fanatics, and I am now going to resume regular Diplomacy activities as should you

:-o

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>_>

You've caught me.

Thucydides, how do you know YOU are not a figment of someone's imagination? You are a somewhat AI computer program designed for the entertainment of another being and all your actions are predicted and accounted for before you even think of them.

the wise man build his house upon the rock
the foolish man build his house on the sand

You are officially and undoubtedly insane.

I am here.
I am real.
I exist, therefore you are incorrect.
and - my - prey...

I will have you all banned.

Even, me, Kestas.

Ooops....disregard that last post.

You mean that Kestas is real?

Sent from: Sicarius (55 ) Sent: 03:37 AM
the wise man build his house upon the rock
the foolish man build his house on the sand
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The dumbest of all builds his house within range of the tide.
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“Subtle! Subtle!
They become formless.
Mysterious! Mysterious!
They become soundless.
“Therefore, they are the masters of the enemy's fate. “
-Sun Tzu
I think the traitors are in trouble now :)

Just a slight addition to what Obiwanobiwan said. The Cogito ("I think therefore I am") works something like -

"I can doubt everything, except that I am doubting. As there is an 'I' that is doubting, 'I' must exist, even if nothing else certainly does. Therefore, there is an 'I' that is a doubting thing. If I try other forms of thought (e.g. thinking, counting etc.) the 'I' begins to become more certainly a thinking thing, not merely a doubting thing and, thus, 'I' think therefore I am."

Any Descartes scholars out there, feel free to correct me.

Hey you, that's right you, one of my many split personalities that calls himself Kestas and imagines up the whole charade. I'd just like to ask if you can't imagine up some more female personas - I'm sure you can imagine what for.

@obiwanX2: "love Descartes, brilliant philosopher"

god, I hated hearing about descartes as a philosopher - Brillian Mathemetician to be sure, but he had way too much free time resulting in thinking about himself thinking about himself thinking! Blech!!

Analytic Geometry, Cartesean coordinate system, law of reflection and refraction, laying the foundation for calculus, That shit was genius!

"I think, therefore, I am" ... nonsense!

No need to defend him as a philosopher - I won't ever get it anyway. I can't be convinced that philosophy is a worthwile subject / hobby / pasttime / "profession"

regards,
Kestas#7427

Kestas, please respond to this player's insanity. Bring him back to reality. People like him are the people who become serial killers because they are mentally screwed up. You could save hundreds of lives!

I (Kestas) just suffer from rather worse than bipolar disorder. Because of that I can happily play diplomacy with myself, effectively stabbing myself etc. and even plagiarize my own site. Don't bully me because of it.

As for Decartes, brilliant mathematician, brilliant philosopher. Basically he rejected empiricism as unjustified and went for pure logic, and showed that doing so drives you absolutely cuckoo, because you don't get very far.

@obiwan

I think you've misunderstood Descartes a little. His argument is deceptively subtle, but I think that it can be boiled down to this: Our sense perceptions can be deceptive. If we rely only on them we have no way to tell whether or not we are dreaming. However, if we use our faculty of intellect (this is an archaic term, think of it as "reason") we can "prove" that we are not dreaming. His "I think therefor I am argument" is the first step on this chain of reasoning that assures him that we are not dreaming.

@philcore

Although philosophy can often times lose all connection with reality, such abstract thinking is necessary for large scale intellectual advancement. It is not a stretch to say that most intellectual pursuits where at one time philosophy. Once there becomes fairly widespread agreement on the rules of inquiry, topic of inquiry etc. the philosophical sub discipline spins off from philosophy and becomes its own subject matter. So although we can now make a distinction between Descartes' physics/math and his philosophy that is not a distinction he or any of his contemporaries would have or could have made.

Romans:Which of you is Kestas?
Everybody:I am!
Kestas: ...

@belsherj - It's been a while since my freshman philosophy course where we studied Descartes, but I seem to recall that he attempted to use logic to prove that he wasn't dreaming, and even that there must be a God, but none of his arguments past "I think therefore I am" really actually work logically. It's interesting to think about, but it doesn't get you anywhere. You really can't "prove" that you aren't dreaming, but at the same time, that doesn't really get you anywhere, so while it's interesting to think about everyso often, it's not really worth spending too much time on it. (I think the same way about death and the afterlife, I'll die, though I don't know when, and either there will be an afterlife or not, but there's no real way for me to know, so I just don't really concern myself about it too much.)