Victory is not proportional to SC count, nor does it provide it, nor does this respect the mods's request to keep such topics in the single thread.

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Um this isn't a topic about PPSC V SoS or about the recent changes removing PPSC or adding new scoring methods. It is a separate albeit related topic about PPSC being renamed. which while brought up in that thread was a minor issue in that thread. associating this thread with that thread simply based on similarity would be like suggesting someone discussing whether bananas are better than apples redirect their topic to the conversation regarding oranges supremacy over apples. While bananas may have been mentioned in the OvA thead; they are not central and a new thread would allow te BvA topic to be discussed more in depth. So to finalize, this thread is related to that thread but not a part of that thread holistically and deserving of it's own thread here.

so what exactly is PPSC based on mathematically? I was always under the impression that the pot was divided by the number of centers and each center you owned earned you that many points? is this incorrect?

dude...are you just trying to get banned?

banned for what? trying to have a conversation? is this serious? any topic even remotely regarding PPSC has to be segregated? even if it doesnt have anything to do with the circular arguments in that thread that have gone on for 17 pages and nearly two weeks? I will wait for a moderator to tell me this isnt okay and even then I will challenge it because seriously as I already pointed out they are different albeit related topics. Now back to topic: If PPSC isn't proportional to center count how is it figured out?

How about if we rename PPSC to "the scoring system formally known as the default setting on webdiplomacy which is now out of use".

Who wants to bet this thread will be locked despite not breaking any rules within the day?

How much? How about $1,000 that it will not be locked (or if it is, it'll be unlocked)? :)

Um, you can't put money down if you have the power to lock it. Just say'n.

Who wants to set up a betting ring where I PM you insider information, you post it, and we split the profit? Our chase accounts shall be overflowing with gold. ;)

@Commander Byron: Why are you devoting time to lobbying for the re-naming of a scoring system which has been completely removed from the site?

Why does it matter what PPSC is called, when PPSC no longer exists?

I got you HR.

I actually like the PVED nomenclature a lot. It describes the point system precisely and succinctly: winners gain eighteen thirty-fourths (nine seventeens) of the pot, which is the proportion of the total SC's on the board required to win. The term simultaneously also describes the the division of the remainder of the pot between survivors as well as how the pot would be divided in the event of a draw.

I had earlier suggested Winner Takes Half, but noticed that with the renaming of WTA and the introduction of SoS, this might not be as clear as hoped. I since have also noticed that 'half' is inaccurate, as 18 diveded by thirty-four does not make 50%. The word 'proportional' retains the accuracy which 'half' lacks, while also describing how the reminder of the pot is divided amongst survivors.

Analogous counterparts for what was WTA could be WTAED, TVED, AVED, EVED, FVED, CVED or WVED (TV = total victory; AV = absolute victory; EV = exclusive victory; FV = full victory; CV = complete victory; WV = whole victory). WTAED is a bit long. TV, AV, FV and CV might be confused with military terms rather than descriptions of the pot system. EV sounds inaccurate, since of course victories are always exclusive. WV cannot easily be confused with military terminology and the word 'whole' seems to unambiguously refer to points in the pot.

PVED and WVED also have the advantage of starting with the same letter as the PPSC and WTA which they replace, lessening confusion.

Valis2501:
"Victory is not proportional to SC count"
Victory is proportional to the count of 18 SC's, as is clearly defined on page 1 of the rulebook.

Who is the jackass that +1'd this shit.

Jamiet99uk: I'd reckon that an absolute majority if not a supermajority of the games played on this website have been with PPSC. Unfortunately we are blocked from searching for this. So yes, PPSC clearly does exist.

I very much would support that nomenclature change. I find that Draw-sized-scoring and Survivors-win-scoring even more confusing than WTA and PPSC. Once you realized it was referring to the distribution during solos, it made perfect sense. This change would make it absolutely clear.

@JECE

Ah, yes, in the rulebook, where it says a victory is defined as 9/17ths, and not "considered to have gained control of Europe", and it's not like the designer himself has always said reaching 18 centers represents controlling the entire board, i.e., Europe. (That's all sarcasm, big surprise).

Why call it a "solo" if it's a "nine-seventeenths"? Every intelligent person knows it represents 100% victory, which is why every other scoring system is WTA, the rulebook, the inventor, etc.

Victory is ACHIEVED when one controls 18 centers or more, which is PROPORTIONAL to 100%

I support renaming "PPSC" to "Unranked"

Can we keep this discussion to one thread, please?

ATC, CLEARLY you have not considered oranges to bananas while making threads that you repeatedly admit you don't understand jack shit about. Apples.

I don't really think this thread is the same discussion as others out there, which I believe is why Zultar has already stated this thread won't be silenced.

@Jeff Kuta,

That suggestion does not take into consideration that PPSC is fun for people who enjoy it because of the different strategy it leads to. That strategy cannot exist in an unranked game because unranked games do not have a point reward. The point reward is the motivation for people to take a game seriously. And before you tell me points don't matter, or they aren't real keep in mind that the point system implementation by Kestas is what stopped non-serious players from ruining games and allows this site to have competitive games. Which can all be and has been proven using site stats.

Unranked games are great, but they are completely different from PPSC.

@jamie- I am not so much petitioning as I am making name suggestion in the event it were to return which is a possibility that the mods have entertained. Remember this month is a trial. I personally do not play PPSC but I understand where the other members of our community are coming from. besides this THIS thread is about the renaming of the system in the event it returns not about the system itself, its negatives, positives, or anyone opinion on the system. The OP is inherently not about the systems but their name and which name would best describe the system.

Can we actually keep this thread about renaming the scoring systems? Since I think that's actually a valid discussion.

Because the SWS name was unpopular, we've asked for name suggestions, and we'll probably make the change to the name even if PPSC doesn't return (because the old games will still exist).

I will say that if we could get a system that is semi-consistent then it may make understanding the scoring systems easier for new players. I propose:
WTA/DSS = TVED - Total Victory, Equal Draw
SoS = TVPD - Total Victory, Proportional Draw
PPSC/ SwS= PVED- Proportional Victory Equal Draw

I understand that PPSC and SoS use different math for their proportional areas but regardless the math is still based on your proportion of the center count. More centers =higher pay out regardless. I used the word total as it implies both that the points are taken in their totality but also that a solo victory is a total victory. This system in would then look like this:

TVED - Formerly WTA/DSS
TVPD - Formerly SoS
PVED - Formerly PPSC/SwS
Unranked


also on a regular qwerty keyboard the small difference between TVPD and TVED is an entire 6 keys. meaning while similar it will not be hard to distinguish the two systems. also we currently have a system in which two of our methods are called SoS and SwS. Atleast in the TVED/PVED system the terminology between all three methods is shared.

I'm against the draw/win naming scheme for a few reasons:

1) It doesn't make sense if the trial indicates that we should leave PPSC off
2) If we add more scoring systems in the future, they're all likely to be WTA-type systems (since most scoring systems are)
3) We're not going to rename SoS, since that's a system that's well-known outside the site