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THELEGION (0 DX)
02 Aug 14 UTC
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PET
If you could have 1 mythical creature as a pet who or what would it be?
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Mountstuart (100 D)
30 Jul 14 UTC
F2F in Pacific Northwest
Anyone playing F2F in Oregon or Washington?
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ghug (5068 D(B))
03 Aug 14 UTC
Google+ Game
So, some amount of time ago there was a public press game conducted over G+. I wasn't involved, but it sounded really fun, so I'd like to try to organize another one sometime in the next week. Consumption of copious amounts of alcohol is highly encouraged but not required. Post below with interest and we can work on trying to schedule it.
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
03 Aug 14 UTC
Any interest in cheat free live games next Thursday or Friday night?
This is something that the mods have done in the past where we pick a night to actively patrol live games so that people can feel comfortable joining up. Is there any interest? Also, if there was strong interest for another night, we can do that instead.
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cardcollector (1270 D)
03 Aug 14 UTC
Favorite Dish
Okay, so after admitting that I like fruits a lot, and veggies a lot... I realize something I've been saying for a long time. I just plain out like food. I love meats, veggies, fruits, grains, dairy, etc. (Been trying to lighten up on sweets though. Lost my taste for that a while ago.)

So what's your favorite dish? Single dish, don't get too complicated with side dishes that can be a dish on its own.
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stranskizzle (324 D)
03 Aug 14 UTC
live anon-24
just wanted to disclose that three of us in this game know each other - we aren't near each other nor will we disclose what country we are. we just needed a public game because it is hard to get 7 to play a live game otherwise.
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ILN (100 D)
03 Aug 14 UTC
Wikipedia Game
It's surprisingly fun........
http://thewikigame.com/speed-race
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
03 Aug 14 UTC
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2nd solo
just got my second solo. just happy. thats all.
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
03 Aug 14 UTC
Favorite Pizza Toppings
So I see all these "Favorite" threads and I felt like joining in.
My favorite combination is Mushroom/Onion/ Peppers
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Gamoosa (100 D)
03 Aug 14 UTC
Anyone up for a live game?
Just checking if anyone is interested in a live game right now
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
03 Aug 14 UTC
Climate Fun
http://boingboing.net/2014/07/31/watch-sen-whitehouse-a-badas.html

This guy just shouts President to me, just look at his name...
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FineRedMist (108 D)
03 Aug 14 UTC
Notes
I'm assuming that the Notes tab is visible only to me, but I obviously want to be sure before using it. :-)
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
03 Aug 14 UTC
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What is your favourite variety of potato?
I like Kerr's Pinks. They make really nice mash.
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
03 Aug 14 UTC
What is your favorite vegetable?
My favorite is undoubtedly okra, followed by spinach, and also onion.

Vegetable here is being defined broadly. Basically plant food that isn't very sweet, and isn't a staple grain, is what I have in mind.
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kestasjk (95 DMod(P))
02 Aug 14 UTC
Abortion ethics
A tragic case in the news at the moment, I'm interested what people think about it:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-28619390
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dirge (768 D(B))
02 Aug 14 UTC
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Satanists making the most out of Hobby Lobby
Just thought this was interesting. Anyone care to discuss?
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semck83 (229 D(B))
02 Aug 14 UTC
Logic game
Play if you dare! (NOTE: I have deliberately not analyzed carefully whether the game is sound).
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dD_ShockTrooper (1199 D)
26 Jul 14 UTC
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Quality of the forum
There's been a lot of "heated" discussion about the quality of the moderation on this site, but I believe the quality of the users and their posts are more questionable. This thread aims to restore the integrity of the site by handling important topics in a constructive and polite manner.
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
02 Aug 14 UTC
Message from a mod my response, the reason and accepting a punishment
So... I told you all I was going to work, then I come back to this.
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Putin33 (111 D)
03 Aug 14 UTC
George's injury and international basketball
Is this the end of NBA players playing for FIBA?

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24646843/after-paul-georges-injury-what-happens-to-the-pacers
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JamesYanik (548 D)
03 Aug 14 UTC
2 more world game
gameID=145015
1 day left
all messaging
Points per supply center
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Putin33 (111 D)
02 Aug 14 UTC
Crisis in Karabakh
http://www.eurasianet.org/node/69321

While the world is focused else, the South Caucasus is heating up.
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semck83 (229 D(B))
31 Jul 14 UTC
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Autism
Very interesting article in the NYT today about autism. Discuss.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/03/magazine/the-kids-who-beat-autism.html
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Puddle (413 D)
02 Aug 14 UTC
Please don't stab me-2
Whoever is playing as germany, could you please quit wasting all our time and Ready your orders. You are always the only one not doing this.
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JamesYanik (548 D)
02 Aug 14 UTC
4 more for world, under 2 days left
All messaging, points per supply center, low starting bet
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ameya95 (100 D)
02 Aug 14 UTC
game name - babva
Need players!
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Attavior (1677 D)
02 Aug 14 UTC
Live Game Improvement

If is possible for live game, if the game is set to anonymous, that it show the status of anonymous player being online? With the time frame for live games it start, it is very possible that by the time the last player joined, that someone has left the site and completely forgot that he/she committed to play. Might cut down on live games failing to be played out completely.
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jimbursch (100 D)
31 Jul 14 UTC
Civil Disorder rules
I'm having some difficulty locating the rules for Civil Disorder. Can someone point me in the right direction? Or should I ask my questions here?
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
31 Jul 14 UTC
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Webdip Forum & Updated Rules
Please read.
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
31 Jul 14 UTC
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Below are the rules that have developed over the years, but we did not think it was necessary to put them down specifically because they seem to fall, at least to most of us, under the “be reasonable” rule or just simple courtesy. Unfortunately, this has enabled a few to claim that they did not know the rules or that forum moderation was completely arbitrary or that they were not informed of what rules they had broken. So in addition to the updated rules, we are also going to make the process more transparent. A user might disagree with a mod’s ruling, but that person cannot say that he wasn’t told why or that there is not an appeal process. So, here they are:

The updated rules as they stand:

1. Do not make personal threats toward members or their families. This is a Diplomacy site and no members should have to worry about actions taken against them in real life.

2. Do not post or make reference to personal information about another member without their specific consent.

3. Do not make targeted threads that are abusive toward another member, group of members, or social group. This includes but is not limited to posts regarding sexuality, race, and religion.

4. Creating an account for the sole purpose of advertising goods or services is not allowed, but a member can post an advertisement as long as he/she does not spam the forum by posting the same message repeatedly.

5. Punishment for infractions may range from a warning, a temporary silence of 48 hours each time to a ban at the discretion of the site owner. The moderator staff retains sole discretion in taking punitive measures. Silences will prevent forum posts as well as private messages. Bans are an instrument of last resort and the moderator staff will seek to avoid issuing them where reasonably possible.

When in doubt about whether posting something is allowed, remember your first responsibility: use common sense and respect other players!"


Moderator Responsibilities:

As users have their own set of responsibilities, so does the moderator staff. As representatives of the WebDiplomacy users, the moderators will be held accountable for disciplinary decisions. While judgement regarding forum rule violations remains at the sole discretion of the moderator staff, users will be provided with a clear warning regarding rules violations in either a forum post or private message. Users can appeal any moderator's decision by sending an email to [email protected], specifying the grounds for the appeal. The appeal will be dealt with by one of the admins that was not involved in the original decision or by the site owner. The outcome of an appeal is final.


On a more general note, I realize that a lot did happen over the weekend and there was a number of posts/threads that had clogged up the forum a bit, which understandably is not pleasant. Since then however, the forum has seen more posts and threads than before. We have seen a lot of positive feedback about the site and the forum in the mod emails, emails to me, in PMs, and even on the forum! In fact, there are many more people who have spoken up in the forum recently who said they were reticent to post before or that they stopped posting because of the vitriol and general hostility in the forum. There are just more people posting in the forum period!

I believe that we are capable of having an interesting forum while being respectful to each other. Respect yourself and respect others. You can disagree with people, but that is no reason to be disrespectful. Many people are excited about the site improvements we are making and many of the top 200 peak GR veterans are excited to come back to the site to play quality games. And playing Diplomacy games is truly the main reason we have this site.

Please look forward to a more welcoming, respectful, and interesting forum, more quality games, more tournaments, more site features, and less cheating on webdiplomacy.

Sincerely,
Zultar and the Mods
So, re the groups of people, would I get silenced if I posted something against the members of the kkk? or a neo-nazi group?
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
31 Jul 14 UTC
Could you please elaborate on Rule 2? For example everyone knows Draug has a Mercedes, because he talked about it constantly. Is it against the rules to refer to that, even though it's common knowledge?

Also, you say reviews will be conducted by an Admin or an Owner? Does the accused get to choose? If they aren't happy with the admins ruling, can they appeal to an owner?

Otherwise, everything seems pretty straightforward.
Jamiet99uk (808 D)
31 Jul 14 UTC
Ref Rule 3:

What about *comments* that are highly "abusive toward another member, group of members, or social group" but which are not posted in a "targeted thread" ?
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
31 Jul 14 UTC
On this note I've applied a few site updates. The first prevents silenced users from sending pm's. The second gives a notification if a pm you send is blocked due to you being muted by the recipient. Previously even though a pm would be stopped by the mute feature the sender would get a successful message.
Silenced members can't send pms? that sucks!
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
31 Jul 14 UTC
@abge, your question is answered on the rules page.

"Where to send
Email the moderators at [email protected], not their personal addresses.
A Co-Owner can be contacted at [email protected], if you want to appeal an admin or mod decision."

@everyone, I recommend checking out the rules page, this is just a summery all the updated rules should help cover some of these questions.
2ndWhiteLine (2596 D(B))
31 Jul 14 UTC
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To everyone posting questions, we appreciate your feedback because that is how our forum rules get improved. We will be updating and modifying as necessary over the course of the next few weeks and months as situations and questions arise. In the meantime, I will stress the "common sense" clause in situations of ambiguity.

abge, to answer your first question, I think that situation is analogous to a situation in a paper as to whether a citation is necessary. If something is considered common forum knowledge, then go for it, while obviously taking into consideration the common sense rule.
dirge (768 D(B))
31 Jul 14 UTC
I like the whining about how the admin/mod team was _forced_ to write these five rules. That must have been a lot of work. Did you guys lock everyone in a room for 5 days and nights until you got it done?
cardcollector (1270 D)
31 Jul 14 UTC
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I can't speak for the mods, but most of the rules are pretty clear. Any ambiguities are to allow slight leeway (at least that's how I see it) to what you say.

For personal information, use discretion. Obviously no Chase bank account numbers, but general info that has been said by that person before is knowledge on the forum already. There is just a personal boundary which we need to watch to make sure that people are protected on the forums. Ex: you can say someone's nationality if they have announced it, but don't list their address.

The targeting thing is also similar. People are entitled to their own opinion, and are free to say what they want, but there is a common decency that people should respect. This meaning nothing excessive in terms of insulting. I think the mods are rather lax with this anyway, but in my interpretation of it, the main point is to make sure people are not harassed on the forum - particularly the groups mentioned in that very rule, because they are often already subject to that sort of harassment.
Ex: I hate ____ group because they're a bunch of @$(#% #^($ @(#&#&(@**@^$ might be a no-no.

All in all, respect a common decency most know as common knowledge, recognize that this is the internet, and don't do anything too stupid.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
31 Jul 14 UTC
@jmo

I looked on the Rules page, but I didn't see anything about appeals. Did I miss it?
2ndWhiteLine (2596 D(B))
31 Jul 14 UTC
SD and jamiet, if you feel the need to post an anti-KKK or WBC thread, for example, I don't think anyone is going to make a fuss. If someone feels the need to step up and defend those groups, however, we can easily point to the second part of rule 3:

"This includes but is not limited to posts regarding sexuality, race, and religion."
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
31 Jul 14 UTC
I guess so, it's the text I copied in my message explaining how to contact a co-owner if you aren't satisfied with a moderator or admin decision.
cardcollector (1270 D)
31 Jul 14 UTC
@abge

http://webdiplomacy.net/rules.php
under contacting a mod/admin
2ndWhiteLine (2596 D(B))
31 Jul 14 UTC
abge, its under "Rulebook/Contacting the Mods" and then under "Mod Policies"
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
31 Jul 14 UTC
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"Obviously no Chase bank account numbers"

Wait, I'm not allowed to tell anyone zultar's Chase account number is 69696969?
dirge (768 D(B))
31 Jul 14 UTC
and for the record someone else posted the map with krellin's home address and street view of his home. not me. I just made a reference to it.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
31 Jul 14 UTC
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Oh, found it. Sorry, you guys know I'm terrible with you rules.
Thanks 2WL. I only ask because I could just see myself posting: I hate *the kkk*/*neo-nazis* because they're racist shits, and want to be clear on the position on that. I assumed that it would be okay, but then the rule seems to say otherwise. Not to mention the slippery slope it could lead on, like, imagine if someone (not me) were to say "I hate *christians* because they're homophobic shits (and they quote the relevant biblical passages). That definitely seems to be against the rule, BUT is there a significant difference between the two? It seems like either they're both banned (which goes against intuition), both are okay to say (goes against intuition), or, even worse (in my mind), it is okay to post an anti-kkk message because the people in charge have decided it's okay to slate them, but you can't slate other groups that the mods don't want you to abuse. Confusing times.
dirge (768 D(B))
31 Jul 14 UTC
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For number 3, it needs to be changed to read

"This includes but is not limited to posts regarding sexuality, race, religion, and LAWN CARE."

jmo1121109 (3812 D)
31 Jul 14 UTC
@dirge, if you have any concerns with a previous case you'll need to follow the appeal guidelines on the rules page.

@abge, do you feel the appeal process isn't clear enough? I can make it specifically say that appeals are originally handled by an admin, and then can be appealed to a co-owner if the answer seems unfair or something along those lines. That's obviously something that we want very clear so let us know if it isn't.
ssorenn (0 DX)
31 Jul 14 UTC
So can we target individual, with personal assaults, as long as they are not meant for a general group... For ex: PE is gay...

Is that acceptable?
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
31 Jul 14 UTC
No, I think it's fine. I just missed it the first time around because I'm bad at reading rules.
dirge (768 D(B))
31 Jul 14 UTC
I'm just giving you a hard time. Don't hit the eject button jmo! I know you want to!
semck83 (229 D(B))
31 Jul 14 UTC
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Thank you for the transparency. I'm glad to see that the list of rules is short.

That said, I am very concerned about rule 3. Not the part about making a thread against another member -- that's easy enough. But not making a thread that's "abusive" toward a "religious group"? This kind of language is *exactly* where interesting conversation gets shut down by judgment calls (or the fear of them). I hope the mods will consider both scaling down the scope of that rule, and clarifying the language to reflect its more limited scope.

If you can't risk offending some "social group," then you can't have substantive conversation about big issues where people disagree.

I'm also curious -- are there examples of actual threads in webdip's history that have / would have been shut down under this rule, but could not have been shut down under any of the other rules (including rule 3 without the "social group" part)?
semck83 (229 D(B))
31 Jul 14 UTC
I also echo SD's point. There are groups that we all agree are worthy of harsh condemnation. And then there are some where we disagree on this point. This rule, as written, seems to preclude any discussion of which groups are which.
President Eden (2750 D)
31 Jul 14 UTC
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"So can we target individual, with personal assaults, as long as they are not meant for a general group... For ex: PE is gay...

Is that acceptable?"

Callouts are restricted, yes.
I'm not really seeing the insult here though...
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
31 Jul 14 UTC
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Right, for instance, we can all agree that gunboaters are an abomination of nature.
semck83 (229 D(B))
31 Jul 14 UTC
Yes, why can't silenced members send PMs? That seems very harsh indeed. Why not just ban members from quoting the PMs in the forum, and make it clear that abusive PMs by a silenced will lead to harsher punishments? Not being able to send PMs interferes even with their ability to keep playing diplomacy, for example.
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
31 Jul 14 UTC
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The silence is a cool down period for members who violate the site rules even after warnings. A cool down is not effective if someone is simply spamming the pm system with rants the entire duration of their silence. This will encourage members to email an admin for an appeal, through which the silence can be shortened if the member becomes reasonable again.

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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
01 Aug 14 UTC
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Gaza Truce Ends 1.5 Hours After It Begins; Hamas Fires, Takes IDF Prisoner
http://news.yahoo.com/three-day-gaza-cease-fire-goes-effect-heavy-050104553.html The time for peace is over. Breaking peace after peace after peace...tell me, Hamas backers--what civilized "political party" breaks ceasefires intended to help their own side, hides weapons in multiple United Nations schools, continuing to attack during a truce and now takes a prisoner...when they were supposed to be brokering a peace? Down with Hamas...damn the international opinion! At any cost!
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