Seriously?

Let me clarify.

A cheating accusation would look like this:
P is X

A non-cheating accusation would look like this:
P is NOT X

If this is translated into
X is not P
then therefore what is X?
X is X.

Therefore cheaters are cheating implicitly in this statement. Would this be a breach of the webdiplomacy rules?

Following this to it's conclusion, it would seem that the rule would read:

Do NOT post NON-cheating accusations on the forum, or in other words;
Do NOT NOT post cheating accusations on the forum, which becomes;
Do post cheating accusations on the forum.

You can see where the confusion would lie here.

No.

*Lunatic alert*

It would be a real positive thing IMHO if the Mods/Kestas the rules about cheating accusations, they get so bent out of shape about it and I don't fully understand why.
If the person is a cheat ..... great, banged to rights.
If it is a false accusation then it makes the person making the accusation look like a dick
Isn't it time to grow up a bit, in some ways this forum has really matured and developed over the last year but in other ways it has stayed just the same.
Maybe there is a historical context as to why these CA rules even exist that an old-hand can explain to us newbies......anyone?

after Mods/Kestes is should read *reviewed/updated*

Just curious, would
Kestas: Mods:: Christian God: Angels
be a true statement?

That depends on whether you are using Thomas Aquinas as your theological reference or another Christian scholar.

The fact this thread exists is disappointing.

We had this protest once in the Netherlands during the Vietnam war. One guy held up a sign saying "Johnson murderer". He got fined for insulting a befriended head of state. Next protest, two guys were holding signs side by side. One said "Johnson", the other said "Murderer". Both guys were fined since it was obviously the same infraction according to the judge. It caused quite some upheaval in the press. The next protest, two guys were holding two signs side by side. Both were empty. Everybody knew what was on them. Nobody was fined.

What if I said that I REALLY do NOT think some hypothetical new arrival on the site is in fact an old player? What if I fill in a name? What if I leave it blank?

I understand the rule of cheating accusations, but as Sun Tzu said, laws should be strict, enforcement should be flexible.

Well said Minister

If I say "Sandgoose is a heater" is this illegal? What if I use some other codeword and everybody begins using it? I'm not sure it's possible to regulate this

"Laws should be strict, enforcement should be flexible"

Without being rude are the Mods objective and smart enough to use this maxim or do they just have to follow the written rules because it is
"more than their jobs worth not to"

Why do we enjoy baiting the Mods so much, it's like an unwritten rule of the forum, but I suppose if they keep on doing what they do they will attract attention.
Free the Philcore 1...... it's like Bill Stickers, he didn't deserve to be prosecuted

SYnapse is having a bad week. Over on vdip he's making similarly crazy arguments because he's about to become the first person ever to CD so many times that he will be permanently stuck at 0 . Points don't replenish back to 100 when you CD, and SYnapse thinks this rule is a conspiracy against him.

Maybe there is a conspiracy against him amongst the Diplo elites on these 2 sites but that information is only available on a need-to-know basis, maybe the ruling junta have lists ...... spooky !!

Free the Philcore +1

I also think there should be a public apology to philcore

I suppose it would be the same as if someone had said it in spanish, and one of the mods could understand it (therefore it would probably be a regular cheating accusation)
If the mods don't know what the codeword is, it would probably work, but it would constantly need to change it so they wouldn't catch on, but it would be impossible to develop a forum-wide code that the mods wouldn't be able to understand, as the mods see all.

carp, that took too long. that was a response to sYnapse

grking you raise a point. If players start making codes would the admins need some kind of Enigma machine to break them?

For example cGhpbGNvcmUgaXMgYSBtdWx0aQ==

They wouldn't, because in order to distribute the code, the codewriter would need to post either a link to the key, or the key itself somewhere that the users of the forum could readily access it, and if the forum users can access something, the mods probably can as well.

Go here and paste in what he said. http://www.base64decode.org/

Another interesting point. Is it invasion of privacy if they intercept our private messages? What if I want to talk about a very sensitive subject with someone I know on webdip - can and should the mods have the ability to read those messages to look for cheaters? If I post somebody my bank details, they might well be breaking the law.

This thread is just stupid and probably needs to die.

Oh if you prefer, Oli's version: "I would prefer this thread just dies because no one replies to this nonsense."

If you think a mod has done something inappropriate, please email the mods and ask an admin to look into it. That's what admins are for. If you think an admin has done something inappropriate, email the mods and ask another admin to look into it; that's why there are more than one admin. If that doesn't work, then you can appeal to Kestas. That's the proper procedure for getting your grievances heard. Throwing muds in the forum isn't going to get anything done for you. On other sites, mods will close this thread as soon as they see it, but that's not how we do it here. We give everyone here a rather big latitude as far as what they post and we have a few rules about what they can't post.

You can try to code "cheater" into whatever you want, but we are fairly good at figuring it out and our forum members are fairly good at figuring it out. I'm not challenging you to create a method to bypass us. I'm just letting you know that it's a waste of time.

Also, this is a private site. Kestas owns it. It's not a public-owned site.
If you don't think Kestas's own rules for his own site is any good, please feel free to leave or create your own website with your own rules and have your own mods do things the way you want. Kestas is generous enough to make all the codes available for you to setup your own shop. Nothing prevents you from doing any of that.

To summarise the last post:
Kestas: GOOD Mods/Admins: EVIL
Is that a fair synopsis ??

Thanks for answering my question about Kestas. I was simply curious whether he was the mod of mods or if he was simply a well known mod

are you joking ??