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19 Nov 17 UTC

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Inspirational Females

Here is a thread to post inspirational stories about women who have positively impacted your life.

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23 Nov 17 UTC
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Epic Forum Story Time

Rules, each person add a word. We create a giant story. So for example I say: Jim. The next person says Jim was. The next person says Jim was Old.

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Replacement for a top 100 GR game

One player can't continue this full anon game. http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=206204#gamePanel

If you are interested, please PM me and do not post here as I would like to keep it fully anon still.

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22 Nov 17 UTC

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Classic Game

I have a rulebook press game up for people to join. If you're interested, see the game below:

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=211198

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13 Nov 17 UTC

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A back to diplomacy game

I am just returning to diplomacy, and am looking for 6 people to join me.

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16 Nov 17 UTC
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Cookie Monster Solutions

Instead of regulations, (YAWN), lets have unrestricted gun laws and limitless purchasing. The only rule is the retail employees *must* dress like cookie monster to make gun stores more kid friendly. Offer gun buyers a plate of CoOKiEs.

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15 Nov 17 UTC

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Mansplaining and manscaping

I heard people use the term mansplaining recently. It was negatively stigmatized but what does it even mean? Also I head people saying something about manscaping and I wondered if that was a type of yard work. Any input is appreciated.

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21 Nov 17 UTC

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Gunboat for Hall of Famers

There’s a game starting for webdip Hall of Famers. PM me for password.

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21 Nov 17 UTC

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Spring 1901 NMR

What provisions are there in general for dealing with players who NMR on the first turn? Should we simply agree on a draw and try and rebuild the game with new players? Is there a way to bring in replacements?

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18 Nov 17 UTC

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You mention anything to do with politics, you lose

Whenever a thread turns to politics it always ends nasty, let's have a nice friendly thread :)

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16 Nov 17 UTC

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New York is the best.

Now that I've gotten everybody's attention, would anybody be interested in playing a game of American Empire where everybody plays as the region that they are from? I think that might be kinda fun and could be a way to release some of this clearly geographical tension that is brewing in the forums.
I'd have to claim NY

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20 Nov 17 UTC

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Medium Pot Gunboat Classic

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=211039

40 bet (280 pot) gunboat game 1 day phases :) good luck

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19 Nov 17 UTC

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Live now

Live now starting now, 5 min

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Perspirational Males

Here is a thread to post perspiration stories about men who have profoundly impacted your nasal cavities.

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19 Nov 17 UTC

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Fast Classic games

Hey! New here..
Anybody up for classic games to play with fast turns? 10 min/turn.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=210955
Up to the challenge?

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08 Nov 17 UTC

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Rhyme Time IV

Across the bloody plain arose seven soldiers, seven sonnets, seven rhymers riding a comet. Winter Rhyme Time IV has arrived, the press will be public and the goal is survive, win, or draw if you must, just dont stop rhyming or your castles become dust.

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Sweden-Italy, 1-0 !!

I was watching the World Cup Qualifiers Game in a pub yesterday evening. And we nailed it! :) 3:07 into this video you find the goal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj55HHnBG_Y

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Cookie Cutter Solutions

Several here have proposed generic cookie cutter style gun solutions for the United States

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KansasBoyd (25 )
15 Nov 17 UTC

Which to me shows an extreme ignorance to the root problems.

Situations are not the same in different countries so therefore the solutions should also be tailored to the unique and different situations and not just some blank, generic cookie cutter solution. I would think a security expert would understand the need to analyze each situation separately and come up with custom solutions.

Nearly 2/3 of the gun "violence" deaths in the United States are not the result of a gun wielding maniac mowing down innocent people, it is the result of suicide. Only half of all suicides are from guns.

So that takes the number of gun deaths to actually gun homicides down to about 10,000 a year. Certainly still a very large number.

The CDC estimated in a report back in 2012 that gangs accounted for about 80% of gun related homicides.

So that takes the number of non suicide or gang related gun deaths to about 2000 people a year.

Just over 60,000 people a year die from drug overdoses. Perhaps if we made drugs illegal, we could cut down on that number. Oh wait, we already have.

Just over 30,000 people a year are killed in car accidents and over 10,000 from those from drunk drivers.

So unless you are going to shoot yourself with a gun or go hang out with the Bloods and Crips, you are 30 times more likely to die from a drug overdose, 15 times more likely to die in a car accident and 5 times more likely to be killed by a drunk driver than a gun wielding maniac.

You know, facts and stuff.

But I am still waiting to hear a plan on how to get all the guns away from the Gang Bangers who are already breaking the laws other than Double Secret Probation will be a magic unicorn to make them all go away.

Also the same people who want to ban guns want to also take guns away from the Police Departments who the likely would volunteer to go de-arm the gangs, even the police are already grossly out armed by the gangs.

But I am sure that heavily armed gangs will just hand over their weapons to a completely unarmed police force if they just ask nicely enough.

ksako8 (1433 )
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I do not know where you get that people opposing guns for the general public, would also oppose the police having guns. Most European countries have strict gun control laws for the general public and their police officers have guns.

KansasBoyd (25 )
15 Nov 17 UTC

There are many people, including some here, who have advocated for removing guns from the police.

To say otherwise is plain wrong.

MamaLama (212 )
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"Only half of all suicides are from guns" that my friend is a lot of suciudes from guns

CAPT Brad (40 )
15 Nov 17 UTC

the english police don't have guns

KansasBoyd (25 )
16 Nov 17 UTC

“That my friend is a lot of suicides from guns”

But I guess the other half is ok since you ignored that part?

The point, that you clearly missed, is those deaths while very sad should not be included in the numbers in an attempt to panic the public of the threat of guns against others.

jmo1121109 (3812 )
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@KansasBoyd, well the problem with formulating a plan is that you need facts to do so, and the government is currently not allowing studies and research to be carried out. Other leading causes of deaths in the US are studied. Car accidents, smoking, drug use, and diseases are studied. In comparison the understanding of guns in the US to other causes of death is abysmal.

If you want to propose a solution the first step is understanding the problem and we don't because Congress threatened to pull CDC funding 20 years ago if they continued gun studies and that's remained largely the same at the urging of the NRA and other institutions that profit from studies.

Your said "the CDC estimated" EXACTLY because they aren't allowed to do more in depth studies to no longer need guesses. A solution is impossible without understanding and understanding is impossible with Congress is in the pockets of the gun organizations that profit from continued gun deaths. Continued gun deaths equates to an influx of scared people buying guns for protection. Endless pathetic cycle that makes us the laughingstock of the world.

But hey, you're free, so there's no problem right?

KansasBoyd (25 )
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You are an idiot if you think you need exact facts to understand the REAL gun problem In this country.

The real gun problem in this country is the armed gangs that are committing 80% of the gun homicides in this country.

You point the finger of exploration and profiteering at the gun industry but you couldn’t be more wrong.

The gun industry isn’t who is creating panic.

It’s the liberal biased media who largely ignored the true gun violence of the gangs and focuses on the easy to sensationalize ‘mass shootings’

Those are the real creators of panic, exploration and profiteering.

But the facts remain undisputed that gangs use guns to kill far more people each year than conservative, gun wielding NRA loving maniacs the media likes to claim.

Too funny that their coverage helps feed the very industry they are trying to shut down.

ksako8 (1433 )
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"You are an idiot if you think you need exact facts".

ghug (5068 )
16 Nov 17 UTC
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-Kansas "facts and stuff" Boyd

Smokey Gem (154 )
16 Nov 17 UTC
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@ KB re That my friend is a lot of suicides from guns”

But I guess the other half is ok since you ignored that part?

The point, that you clearly missed, is those deaths while very sad should not be included in the numbers in an attempt to panic the public of the threat of guns against others.

In actual reality if the people who suicided form guns had less lethal and easy mechanisms for their death then you would have agreater survival rate from suicide.
I work in the field and on this one you are flat wrong sorry.

ksako8 (1433 )
16 Nov 17 UTC

Smokey Gem: don't bore KB with facts. In his view, facts are for idiots.

jmo1121109 (3812 )
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@KB, "But the facts remain undisputed"

Except we are in dispute about the facts, so you are wrong. Without allowing study of the problem the facts have not even been established, much less proven. Could you please put some critical thought into your posts, what you're doing now just brings down the intelligence of the conversations on the site.

Cheers.

KansasBoyd (25 )
16 Nov 17 UTC

“In actual reality if the people who suicided form guns had less lethal and easy mechanisms for their death then you would have agreater survival rate from suicide.
I work in the field and on this one you are flat wrong sorry.”

If that were true, the number of suicides from other means would be far less than the number from guns.

It’s not.

There is no facts that those people wouldn’t use another means to the same end. Just an agenda that says otherwise.

KansasBoyd (25 )
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“Without allowing study of the problem the facts have not even been established”

But there HAS been study of the problem, you just don’t like the results.

Because you don’t like the results of the study doesn’t mean there has been no study.

You claim the government has prevented study on the matter but you clearly must not realize that the CDC is a government agency.

But I’m sure you guys are right though. Gangs don’t kill anyone with guns. You guys have it all figured out.

All those murders in Chicago are being done by white, conservative, nra member, white supremucist republicans. Good job.

KansasBoyd (25 )
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“Smokey Gem: don't bore KB with facts. In his view, facts are for idiots”

Only idiots take half a sentence and attempt to use it out of context as a sweeping generalization when it clearly stated it was for one specific incident.

But continue to believe gangs aren’t a major source of gun violence. That really makes you look smart.

reedeer1 (100 )
16 Nov 17 UTC

Do you agree that’s we should have in depth background checks before we sell anyone a gun? So those who suffer from depression wouldent be able to purchase a gun, and those with a history of crime (the gang members) would have greater difficulty buying a gun?

KansasBoyd (25 )
16 Nov 17 UTC

You think gang members buy guns legally??

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reedeer1 (100 )
16 Nov 17 UTC

Its easy enough in America...

Flashy (176 )
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KB asked the best question in his first post, where he asked "How are you going to take away the guns from the gangs?"

If you don't have an answer for that, all your arguments are just wind.

You can't go door-to-door. We've already been told that is too expensive and prohibitive, even to look for bigger items- like people, that are somewhere illegally. Guns are smaller and easier to hide.

So essentially, people have to volunteer their guns. Criminals and gangs aren't going to do that. If owning a gun is made illegal, that is just another charge to a rap sheet.

KB is right "facts don't matter". If you can't role out a plan to take guns out of the hands of the public, And that has to be ALL the public, then all the talk is worthless.

And if gun control comes from the government. That is specifically why the second amendment was written.

So whose got a fool-proof plan? A very cunning fool-proof plan.

Jeff Kuta (2066 )
16 Nov 17 UTC

Yeah, the NRA loves causing panic and fear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMlvrUR_ZiI

MajorMitchell (1605 )
16 Nov 17 UTC

The only facts that Kansas Boyd is interested in are those that he cherry picks or invents, & he dismisses inconvenient facts. Imho he is a victim of his own ( to use a French description ) idee fixes.
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Flashy (176 )
16 Nov 17 UTC

@Major, Your post was only anti-KB. Do you think that his idee fixes are because he presents a conservative side of the problem?
Because you neither refuted any facts he presented or offered another solution. Actually, you didn't add anything to the argument. Basically, what you did was (french word) merde on his character.

Imho (that's how you get away with being condescending on this forum), KB, would probably, say that is a very liberal thing to do.

AttiWoolf (164 )
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Y'all know how Australia did it, right? We have almost no gun related deaths/suicides, and minimal gun related gang violence (and the gun related gang violence we do have, the guns aren't procured from legal sources)

If you want to get to the root of gang violence, you need to increase welfare and decriminalise sex work and drugs. It's proven to work.

AttiWoolf (164 )
16 Nov 17 UTC
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That being said I'm a filthy communist and live in the ass end of the world.

pangloss (363 )
16 Nov 17 UTC

I think it's a little silly to discount gun-related deaths due to suicide. Half of all suicides is a large number, and when we're comparing methods of suicide, it's disingenuous to use "gun-related" and "not gun-related" as the only two categories.

Guns are the leading cause of suicide, with almost twice as many deaths as the next leading cause (https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/suicide/index.shtml).

The fact that guns are so widely available and the fact that they increase the likelihood of succeeding in a suicide attempt are probably things that we should look at. Making guns more difficult to get would probably result in a decrease in suicides.

And it's true that different countries will likely have different solutions for their problems, but that doesn't mean that we can naysay *any* solution. It makes sense that you would look and see what other people have done, at the very least to give yourself a starting point for a solution.

That's where gun studies come in. It would be nice if the CDC conducted gun-related research. But they don't do it, and they don't do it because they're afraid of having their funding cut by Congress (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/storyline/wp/2015/01/14/why-the-cdc-still-isnt-researching-gun-violence-despite-the-ban-being-lifted-two-years-ago/). There's been a chilling effect on gun research since the nineties.

Now, as for your gang comments, it's baffling to me that you halt your analysis after seeing that gangs are significant contributors to gun violence. What is more helpful here is a consideration of why there are gangs and why the gangs need guns. If you want to stop something from happening, it seems only logical that you would consider why the thing is happening in the first place.

Atti probably has the right of it here; if there were a stronger social safety net in the US, and if there were saner drug policies, there probably wouldn't be as much gang violence.

KansasBoyd (25 )
16 Nov 17 UTC

“KB asked the best question in his first post, where he asked "How are you going to take away the guns from the gangs?"

If you don't have an answer for that, all your arguments are just wind.”

Bingo.

And no one has actually provided an answer.

KansasBoyd (25 )
16 Nov 17 UTC

“Now, as for your gang comments, it's baffling to me that you halt your analysis after seeing that gangs are significant contributors to gun violence. What is more helpful here is a consideration of why there are gangs and why the gangs need guns. If you want to stop something from happening, it seems only logical that you would consider why the thing is happening in the first place. ”

I would agree with that but the point the liberals seem to be too dumb to understand is that most of the gun homicides are done by gangs with illegal guns and further restrictions will be useless as the gangs will continue to ignore those like they are ignoring the current restrictions.

KansasBoyd (25 )
16 Nov 17 UTC

“I think it's a little silly to discount gun-related deaths due to suicide”

No one is discounting those.

I am just separating them from homicides since the liberal agenda is that we need more restrictions to prevent gun wielding conservative NRA maniacs. Not suicides.

KansasBoyd (25 )
16 Nov 17 UTC

“@Major, Your post was only anti-KB. Do you think that his idee fixes are because he presents a conservative side of the problem?
Because you neither refuted any facts he presented or offered another solution. Actually, you didn't add anything to the argument. Basically, what you did was (french word) merde on his character.

Imho (that's how you get away with being condescending on this forum), KB, would probably, say that is a very liberal thing to do.”

That’s all he can do cause he isn’t smart enough to debate the actual topic at hand.

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Haha. Canada blew off America in the 60s

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/cia-wanted-to-punish-canada-in-1962-for-flouting-cuban-trade-embargo-jfk-files-reveal/amp

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Prediction Thread

Trump gets back from his tour in Asia soon, and he'll likely have a response to Roy Moore. Vote on the likely response here:

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Resources to Improve Players

I signed up for the mentorship program. As I get ready to work with a mentor, what resources do you all like to improve as diplomacy players? I'm looking for websites, blogs, podcasts, videos, etc. Thanks!

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Cards Against Humanity Heroes

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cards-against-humanity-buys-a-piece-of-the-us-border/

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The best way to mange your press and play when you are definatley going to lose.

What is the best way . Roll ovr , influence the winner. spitefull delay ??

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Trump blunders around Asia, returns home to more scandal

Trump blunders around Asia offending allies. Meanwhile Jeff Sessions "cannot remember" what went on at important meetings when "giving evidence". Further evidence of the inadequacy of gun controls in the USA with her another tragic shooting at a School.

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The rest of the World Apreciation Thread.

MAKE ROTW Greater Again .

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16 Nov 17 UTC

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How do I talk to players?

Am I just missing something. How do I talk to the other players in my game?

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11 Nov 17 UTC

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Who wants to play 1600?

http://vdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=32997
PPSC with perfectly divisible pot if we don't draw.
Rulebook press, rulebook civil disorder and hidden draw votes
42-hour phases, so that you won't CD if you check the game once a day

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15 Nov 17 UTC

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Strangest/ Least probable alliances?

What do y'all think are the least likely alliances between countries in the long term?

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Advanced theory

Who would win in a fight, Alex Jones with a katana, or Obama with a hatchet & shield? No prep time or outside help allowed

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Replacement player needed for public, non-anon World Diplomacy game

Game: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=207427
India has disappeared and we need a replacement player. His position is still pretty good, so lots of potential there. If you are game, we'll try contacting a mod to swap you in so that there isn't another NMR.

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