You left off the one Trump's already used, "I supported his opponent that lost."

Lol - that might be the smartest thing (only smart thing?) he's said so far. For him anyway. If he'd denounced Moore outright we'd think he was taken over by an alien

he's been wildly quiet... by Trumpian standards

He's not had as much time for tis situation as he's been quite busy rescuing criminals from China

Tell that to Wendell Brown.

ya no kidding - he deserved more help than these 3 punk basketball players

I mean shoplifting a pair of sunglasses isn't worth prison either, but the POTUS intervening? Really?

Trump had heaps of time just poor internet connection and phone signal..

Welcome to a non first world country...like Japan..for instance..

lol. Funny how the liberals pass judgement on other countries standards and system lol

Clearly in China shoplifting is worthy of going to prison or their laws would be different.

Of course if Trump had done nothing, the same liberals would be throwing a fit about him doing nothing while Americans were being held.

The double standards are truly pathetic.

Of course you know the period Moore was allegedly doing the inappropriate behavior he was a Registered democrat

"Clearly in China shoplifting is worthy of going to prison or their laws would be different"

Chinese prosecutors have a >99% conviction rate. I don't respect that. I certainly don't think shoplifting is a serious charge to begin with, though I suppose things could be worse - you could be worked to death for nabbing a poster off a wall. Are we just supposed to respect that and brush it off as another country's legal system having different standards?

Try getting China to prosecute counterfeit goods.

"Chinese prosecutors have a >99% conviction rate. I don't respect that."

Oh ok. Well now that you have stated you don't respect that, I am sure they will change their entire system.

"I certainly don't think shoplifting is a serious charge to begin with"

And when you are in charge of a country, you can decide to punish it how you see fit.

"Are we just supposed to respect that and brush it off as another country's legal system having different standards? "

And what is your solution to changing the Chinese legal system? Cause I'm pretty sure when conservatives talk about implementing change in other countries, the liberals throw a fit.

I mean Liberals have interfered in numerous elections and participated in regime change through history but don't like it when they are paranoid and stupidly think the only reason they lost the election was because Russia interfered and not that they simply chose a terrible, terrible candidate that enough of America felt was the worst of the two choices to lose the election.

Ah yes, good ol encouragement to be apathetic to injustice.

If only that apathy carried over to the SoW game.

Just as I thought.

No clue how to change the system in China. Just a soapbox to beat your chest and wag a finger from.

Lmao at shoplifting not being a serious charge. How about you go and shoplift your nearest mall. I'm sure we'll all be glad to hear back from you about how it went.

If you have a clean record like I do and assume that most people I run into do, you get taken to the station, talk with the detectives, return the merchandise, pay a nice fine, get a misdemeanor, and avoid jail time. If you steal a bunch of things or if you've done it before, maybe you get a felony. Odds are that you still avoid jail time unless they want to pin more than the theft on you but that the fine is bigger and you live with the stigma of having a felony conviction for the rest of your life. If you're young and stupid, maybe you do some community service, go through some programs, and get it expunged so that you can actually do normal things like get a job instead of having to live your life in misery over a dumb thing you did when you were 20. A couple of my friends have tried shoplifting and gotten that sort of treatment, so it's not like they chop off fingers for theft anymore, leon. Please don't be a prosecutor or a cop if your goal is to put away as many people as possible for passing a blunt around or snagging a pair of sunglasses.

And how is that a plan to change the system in China to your suiting?

That's too bad. The American justice system is way too soft. Thugs like **_***## should be locked away in jail.

Apologies. I misread that. Thugs like **_***##'s friends should be locked away in jail.

@bo_sox48 - Your friends are lucky. At a supermarket now own by Kroger foods, the store security guards choked an alleged shoplifter to death and afterwards they found that he didn't have any store property in his possession. Of course that was too late for the dead shopper trying to leave the store, alive.

its funny that KB is defending "communist" china's laws and bo is attacking them.

I can’t believe I just +1 Brad.

Thanks for that, leon. Keep it up. Maybe someday you'll learn what alcohol or some small-time drugs taste like and do something stupid. You won't get my sympathy when you do.

I'm a long, long way from being a communist, Brad, and I fucking hate the policies of present day China.

that you do makes the joke even funnier, bo.

It’s weird. Criminal justice reform is such a bipartisan issue in Oklahoma you never run into someone as backwards as leon when it comes to this issue. Maybe because leon doesn’t realize the opposite is true, that even now the justice system is too HARSH. That locking people out of society for stupid shit they did ONCE is bullshit. Maybe he’s never had to be impacted by how overly harsh the system actually is. Incarceration rate compared to population here is part of why it’s so bipartisan, but he doesn’t know what it’s like.

Of course I haven't been impacted... I haven't broken the law. What a novel concept.

You can be impacted by the system without breaking the law. For example a couple was arrested recently because their hibiscus was mistaken for a marijuana plant.

Or uh, knowing someone who received lopsided and excessive criminal sentences for minor mistakes as youths.

A guy got arrested because the crumbs from his sugar sprinkles on his donuts field tested positive as a drug. He's suing the test manufacture.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-mass-exoneration-ronald-watts-20171116-story.html

This was yesterday, and it's not that uncommon.

It’s weird. Let’s let people who committed crimes run free and loose among society but let’s take away the guns of tens of million of innocent people who haven’t committed a crime.

Gotta love liberals.

“Crime” is a low standard by which to consider someone’s character. Especially when you consider that people tend to outlaw some really stupid shit.

Outlaw really stupid shit like gun ownership despite never committing a crime?

You don't have to committed a crime to be considered a threat. There are lots of people that have done things like domestic abuse where charges were never made.

Besides there are plenty of mass shooters that had clean records until they went on a killing spree, but had other indicators.

All of those examples are just mistaken arrests. It's not an argument of reducing sentences for those that did commit the crime.

Randomizer, I didn't say everyone who hasn't committed a crime is a good person. However, people who do commit crime still deserve to be punished.

Not all laws are just. We have a Supreme Court tondecidenthat. Mostly they do OK.

“Outlaw really stupid shit like gun ownership despite never committing a crime?”

I’m pro-gun. Good try though.

Wasn’t about you.

Good try though.

Parallels my language in quote

Claims it had nothing to do with what I said.

Egocentric much?

It had to do with outlawing stupid things.

Sorry to give your ego a blow.

Wow and I wonder who used the exact parallel of “outlaw some really stupid shit” in the post immediately before yours. Considering your tendency to try and parallel the language of the people you’re talking down to, you have 0 ground to stand on.

Like, for example, you saying “good try though” in response to me saying literally the same thing. Or you starting off a paragraph with “it’s weird” because I did (though you missed the point by a mile if you think Oklahoma is a liberal hellscape).

Jeff, the Supreme Court does not decide which laws are just, though many leftists seem to wish it does. The Supreme Court only decides which laws are constitutional; at least that's what it's supposed to do.

I would never mistake leon1122 for a civil disobedience kinda guy.