I thought the New World Order pretty much died out when the WCW was bought but the then WWF (now WWE).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(professional_wrestling)

Pat makes some excellent points.

Nations are putting national interests ahead of any perceived global interests.

The deficits and indebtedness of Western nations preclude more of the big wealth transfers in foreign aid that once bought us influence.

He is exactly right about Communism, Communism, which conquered half of Europe and Asia but arose and fell in a single century.

By the way I also read the article. My personal opinion is that Mr Erdogan, the prime minister of Turkey, embarassed Obama by his aggressive rhetoric against Israel. I don't know if Obama responded to this, but I find it unacceptable that a NATO member talks this way about a partner in democracy and a country that despite all mistakes it makes still stands up against terrorism. If Erdogan continues down this route, one day German soldiers might have to fight Israeli wons because of NATO obligations, that's just too bizarre to even consider. I think the "world order" imposed by NATO and headed by the US/UK is the least bad of our options, although I'm happy that America toned the "democracy everywhere" policy down after Bush left office, even though I agree in substance.

wons=ones. haha

I'm just going to take a shot in the dark and say you're under 18 and get your news from one or two sources. How close am I?

Most people take news from 1 or 2 sources as most big channels broadcast from the same source..

stratagos, once you reached my age yourself, you know that personally attacking somebody you disagree with is a sign of weakness. Take down that horribly right-wing Turkey-bashing of mine with some good rhetoric, but don't do this.

For the record, Greece and Turkey are both NATO members, and they loathe each other. Expecting nations to toe the party line when they don't percieve it to be in their interest is idiotic - or do you think the US should follow the consensus of Europe on issues?

What you seem to be saying is that were the big dog, so everyone should follow our leaf. That ain't gonna happen, and it *shouldn't* - if other nations think were doing the wrong thing, they should say something.

As for NATO, it is a defensive alliance - so if Israel attacks Turkey, the alliance has an obligation to respond. It would, therefore, be the height of stupidity for Israel to attack Turkey.

Wait a sec, you're using *Pat Buchanan* as a serious source??

Never mind, I just wasted five minutes

In the internet age why would anyone take news from biased TV sources? You can read original documents. You can see speeches on C-span. The only excuses for watching the Big 3 networks or cable news is laziness.
The Nightly Business Report is the only news on TV worth spending your precious time on.
Read, Read, Read, Read, Read, Read, and then Read, some more.

Buchanan's article was interesting in it's format and simple in it's delivery. Perhaps so his argument wouldn't get diffused. The world order, primarily the free west is stressed and needs to get it's house in order. I laughed when I saw the "45 things you should hoard" right beside an article re unraveling society. Sadly, perhaps the order should break up. If the western economies are overspending, military or otherwise, and in decline due to debt we all as a society should withdraw from the world stage somewhat. If Greece as a society and economic culture can't get it together then .... they will have to endure a financial correction. The EU has the right idea so far in supporting their partners but it has to be understood that the support is not indefinite. If everyone rows that boat then the EU and the world order will do as well as it's ideals

I completely disagree that the EU is doing the right thing supporting their partners.
The EU needs to embrace failure as we all do.
The EU can no more afford throwing good money after bad than anyone else.
The socialist model failed Greece and is failing in Italy, Spain, Ireland, and Portugal.
Better to let a model that has failed disappear than to crucify an entire continent on its cross.

We all need to embrace failure.
That is capitalism, and that is the system that has produced the prosperity of the last 250 years.

@stratagos, allow me:
"Expecting nations to toe the party line when they don't percieve it to be in their interest is idiotic - or do you think the US should follow the consensus of Europe on issues?"
There is a very large (and productive!) grey area in between this extreme - defining one's national interest in the most narrow sense of the word, disregarding the opinion of powerful allies around you - and to "toe the party line".
It is precisely in this grey area that democracies should be operating, particularly given the context of the many international organisations they find themselves in.
The United Nations recently published a very nuanced, balanced report that stated that although the naval blockade of the Gaza strip (remind you of a good-looking former American president perhaps? ;) ) was legal, the violence used to enforce the debate was excessive.
This prompted Erdogan to change Turkey's fighter jets recognition system to report Israeli fighters as "enemy planes" and a very aggressive rhetoric against Israel. As the Dutch columnist Afshin Ellian pointed out: Mr. Erdogan is not at all the kind of man who's interested in balanced reports...
That's very characteristic of the world order falling apart: countries simply taking a nationalist or regional stance on an issue, without considering the sensitivities of their allies.
So to answer your question: do I think the US should follow the European consensus? Absolutely not. Do I think the US should be sensitive to the European consensus, because we're connected in many organisations and for a large part by ideology and factor it into their decision? Absolutely.
By the way, by building more and more houses in disputed territory, Israel is also embarassing the US, so I guess the two actions cancel out. And you can see the result: a completely pointless conflict between two countries that used to have good relationships, possibly involving NATO one day.
This insensitivity is not the way to go when you're working in an international context, and characteristic of a world order that is -unfortunately- showing signs of strain.
Does that answer your question?
Redhouse
PS: what's also a pity is that it often takes more generations to build peace, than to create conflicts. Sensitivity to history is another good property of the diplomat.

property of the good diplomat. Xcuse me :)

I didn't say crucify your own economy. I said support to a point. These problems took years to develop and will not disappear without time and effort. The country that fails to change, fails to adapt, fails to correct, fails.

"We all need to embrace failure.
That is capitalism"

You got that right. Capitalism is a failure.

"The socialist model failed Greece and is failing in Italy, Spain, Ireland, and Portugal."

You don't have the foggiest idea of what socialism is. How on earth is Ireland "socialist", in particular? The two parties that dominate Ireland are affiliated with Liberal International and the Christian Democrat International respectively. The supposedly more "centrist" of the two formations, Liberal International, is probably more 'free market' as a group than the Christian Democrats.

"As for NATO, it is a defensive alliance -"

ROFLMAO. That's a good one! I haven't laughed that hard in a while.

Oh my god, Pat Buchanan wrote a book arguing that the world would be a better place if Britain hadn't declared war on Nazi Germany!?!?! Holy shit how was this not news?

Buchanan's Nazi apologia are sort of old hat at this point. He was all over the media promoting it though.

I would submit that the way to change is to get rid of institutions that failed.
The way to adapt is to go with what succeeded and let what failed go by the wayside.
You will correct the detrimental behavior by punishing the actions of those responsible with failure.
You cannot avoid pain and supporting failed institutions is worse than letting them fail.
Japan has been propping up failed banks for almost two decades. It can't go on forever.
Better to get is over with by changing and adapting to a new reality absent the failed institutions.