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podium (498 D)
09 Apr 10 UTC
Are we just reading and posting now.No game play.
Anybody want to play a live game.Post your preferences and we can get one started.or we can go on posting and reading.
@ghost. A quick turn around for a post,i agree
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
08 Apr 10 UTC
It's Been Nearly a CENTURY Past... My Word, What Have We Learned?
It just now hit me, ironically after watching of all things a Peanuts special, where Charlie Brown, Peppermint Patty, Marcie, Snoopy, and Linus are in France, that we are only three, four years awat from the CENTENNIAL of the War that Did Not End All Wars... and, after reciting "In Flander's Fields" Linus asked the question that now is stuck in my mind- What Have We Learned? A century later... how it still affects us... how does it affect you?
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
08 Apr 10 UTC
I can only imagine.

Really, my forefathers came to America in the 1880's-turn of the Century, from Germany, Russia, Poland, Austria, Hungary... they would have been on both sides of the Eastern front war in terms of where they stood, and if there were ever any of my distant family that stayed behind in those countries...

What ever happened to them in that time?
What of their descendents?

And at home, immigrants from those lands were treated badly in the US, especially German/Austrian/Hungarian ones during WWI, and Russians because of the communist thing and the first Red Scare...

What they must have faced... I can only wonder...

And then the Second World War affected my family branch directly, like very likely all or nearly all of your families, I have a family member that served, 9th Artillery, US Army.

Think about that, just for a moment- ALL OU FAMILIES. And that's no stretch, in some capacity, fighting or trying to survive or avoiding perscution or persecuting or working in factories for supplies, nearly everyone was affected...

How?

In America, we were in WWI for not too long, a year, give or take a few months... played a decent part in that time, I suppose, but certainly we don't have the stories some of you Englishmen and others abroad must have in your families...

What did your fathers, grandtathers, great-grandfathers say it was like? What did they experience?

And that Second World War... we ALL have stories handed down to us from that...

I will never foret this one told to me by my grandfather, of Remagen, and the bridge collapsing under fire, and how the troops had to move across, keep going, and all the way, he said, looking all around, for any sign of pot shots...

Imagine that, walking in an open area like that, a whole mass of men, and all of them struck worrying if death was about to be rained down on them by a surprise they could not stop.



It still affects us, these things... even those of us like me, two generations removed from WWII and three from WWI.

The world we live in is STILL so shaped by what happened a CENTURY, now, ago.

We STILL have the mess in the Middle East that's always been, but really exploded during the World Wars, or, maybe more precisely, because of them... certainly without the Jewish troops that served on both sides feelings would have been different, Jewish guerrilaa fighters streaming into Palestine during the turmoil, the whole area just being left to the dogs, and then the Holocaust destroying so much... and yet...

Well, 6 MILLION people like me were murdered, terribly, as were other targets, the Yiddish language and culture nearly wiped out... that's a rich culture I can't imagine not being imbued in me, even just a bit, and it was nearly DESTROYED, completely.

But then, as a result, at least partially... Israel was allowed to exist, if for the better reasons of freedom and goodness, or the worse reasons of outright feelings of guilt in Europe.

Can you imagine a world without Israel? With no great wars in the Middle East? Or suicide bombers and jihad groups and over-agressive Israeli forces and nervous Israeli troops (they've been hit so many times, the Jews and Israelis, they're trigger-happy because of it, and the recruits are so young, it adds to it all... and the jihadists have young recruits on their side, nervous, too...)

Can you imagine a world where France is a battleground, her whole countryside just trenches and barbed wire and centuries old villages smashed over a span of two ars and forty or so years... and now she seems so gleaming again, but where are the scars?

A world where we don't hear "German" and instinctively, even in the slightest, think "bad guy?" It's an ugly truth, but THE truth, at least here in the US- you mention Germany, and the first things that come to mind to most people are Hitler and the Nazis and before that the Kaiser and they're just thought of as a brutal people, unforgiving...

A world where Russia doesn't bring that to mind as well, and what about a world where we don't think "communist" when we think of Russia? The Czars were none too great, at least not at that time, but what followed... and would it have been if Russia hadn't been embroiled on the Eastern Front?

America got its first taste of true modern warfare and truly being a world power and an international force, after wanting to be isolationist for so long, even back to Washington himself...

I can't START to imagine an America that's not a world power and helper at best, and a meddler at worst.

And on and on...

What stories do we have, from the First and Second Wars?
What was?
What is now?
Can you imagine what it must have been like back then, or what might have been, or a world that isn't like ours.

And, as Linus asked... what have we learned?
Ivo_ivanov (7545 D)
08 Apr 10 UTC
Dude, you're either seriously brainwashed... or spent the last 50 years in hibernation.

And, you should know, most people don't really think about GER as Nazis or "bad people"... that's extremely racist, not to mention it's one of the most stupid generalizations imaginable.

Do you actually know any Germans, have you even been to Germany at all... or you just think that because your predecessors suffered this gives you some divine rights. Read some history - that's what the Nazis were using as argumentation themselves - maybe you should join them - you've clearly learned nothing.
Draugnar (0 DX)
08 Apr 10 UTC
Ivo +1 - I'm with you there on the whole German thing. I love Germany and never equate German with Nazi. One is a beautiful country with a rich heritage and wonderfully friednly people; the other is/was a racist political regime bent on cleansing the human race to fit only their own racial profile.

But, in obiwanobiwan's defense, my dad still views anything Japanese as bad. He has the same problem separating the people from their former leaders' political views.

As far as Russia goes, she was never a problem. The CCCP, which no longer exists, was the problem, but that was also a political regime problem. I have many Russian and Georgian friends and they are nothing like the old Soviet Regime haters would have you believe. Russians, like Germans, can be some of the friendliest people. I hope one day to travel to Moscow and see the beauty of it's architecture, taste the "fruits" of it's heritage, and get to know the people better.

I also hope to do this with China, but fear that an open China is still a long ways off.
DingleberryJones (4469 D(B))
08 Apr 10 UTC
I have to agree that Obi is seriously brainwashed.
"A world where we don't hear "German" and instinctively, even in the slightest, think "bad guy?" It's an ugly truth, but THE truth, at least here in the US"

That might be YOUR truth, don't assign it to the entire country, unless you have done some polling.

"you mention Germany, and the first things that come to mind to most people are Hitler and the Nazis and before that the Kaiser "

While I agree most Americans are familiar with Hitler and Nazis, I doubt most would know what a 'Kaiser' is or the reasons behind WW1.

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As to my family's experience of the war, 3/4 of my family had no connection to WW1. My grandfather, however, fought in the German army on the Eastern front in WW1. He didn't like to talk about it, and he died when I was pretty young, but his bitterness towards his homeland was evident. He fought bravely in WW1 and was awarded medals. Then they killed his family in WW2 because they weren't worthy of the Aryan nation. He was hidden in Germany after it was declared 'Judenrein', and eventually made it way to Lisbon and a boat bound for America.

Unlike the Jews of eastern Europe, the many (most?) Jews of Germany had assimilated into German culture. My family didn't dress Jewish, didn't talk Jewish, and even decades after leaving Germany, my grandmother still thought of herself as German, still associated almost exclusively with German Jews and I could swear her accent got thicker the longer she was in the US.

She was invited back to Germany as part of some German program to right past wrongs and it was a very emotional trip for her. She invited me to go and I declined, not wanting to set foot in that country. I guess I have some bitterness too.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
08 Apr 10 UTC
"A world where we don't hear "German" and instinctively, even in the slightest, think "bad guy?" It's an ugly truth, but THE truth, at least here in the US- you mention Germany, and the first things that come to mind to most people are Hitler and the Nazis and before that the Kaiser and they're just thought of as a brutal people, unforgiving..."

Is this really what you believe?

When someone says WWII, I think of Nazi Germany. But when someone says German, I think of cars, fast highways, beer, and trains that run on time.
DingleberryJones (4469 D(B))
08 Apr 10 UTC
I suppose that perhaps Obiwon's statement is reflective of his background of being Jewish. I do NOT think the majority of Americans associate German with 'bad guy', though I would assume that % is higher among Jews than non-Jews.
Invictus (240 D)
08 Apr 10 UTC
My great great uncle was in France during WWI. After he died my grandma gave his uniform jacket and wooden leg to a homeless man. There's my story.

obiwanobiwan is brainwashed against Germans. If there's any nation on earth that hates Nazis most it's modern Germany. I take German in college, and you really have no idea the guilt that Germans have to go through in school and civic culture over this.

When I think of Germans I'm just as likely to think of smelly Eurotrash or jovial beer gardens as I am Nazis. To say that right away everyone assumes that Germans are Nazis is wrong and will get more and more wrong as time goes by. You don't expect the French to be, you know, all Napoleon on your ass. In time the association between Germans and Nazis will be like Mongolians today and the Mongol Empire. They did really, really bad things in the past but that was a long time ago. That doesn't justify anything that was done, but it is the inevitable result of something leaving living memory.
Draugnar (0 DX)
08 Apr 10 UTC
This is similar to the extremist Muslim view of Christianity. Yes, Christianity tortured, maimed, and murdered in the name of Christ hundreds of years ago, that doesn't mean the modern Western world wants to see the Muslim world crushed. But most extremist "Jihad" Muslims believe we are Satan incarnate because of what the crusaders did back then combined with our present, less restrictive societal views on the role of God and man and woman.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
08 Apr 10 UTC
Wow... all that from one comment.

And did I say I PERSONALLY think that?

NO.

I'm just saying the folks I've met in my backwater shithole (eloquence has gone right out the window rather fast) of a place link the two together.

I AM PART GERMAN!

I KNOW! >(
DingleberryJones (4469 D(B))
08 Apr 10 UTC
Maybe not, but you personally believe that
"A world where we don't hear "German" and instinctively, even in the slightest, think "bad guy?" It's an ugly truth, but THE truth, at least here in the US"
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
08 Apr 10 UTC
And I'd still argue YES, say "Germany" and what is one of the things MOST familiar to at least Americans, at the VERY LEAST where I am, but on the whole I think it'd leap to the mind of most-

Most think of Hitler and the Nazis as ONE of the first things when Germany's mentioned, how's that?

I'm not saying they're Nazis, I know Germany today is a perfectly nice place with an economy that is likely kicking our ass (though as I'm terrible with numbers I'll shut up on that point before I have eight comments explaining the ins and outs of the German economy versus ours) and all...

Just where I'm from, So. California (so actually I WILL make the charge that probably most Americans think of the Nazis as one of the first things with Germany, as California is generally a progressive state... a broke state, yes, but I'm just saying its not like I'm living in a shack in Montana... and before any of you start obiwanobiwan formally apologizes to any shack-dwelling geniuses in Montana.) ;)




Look at not just the wide impact of WWII on people, but the media, I suppose...

Who does Indiana Jones fight in the GOOD (Raiders and Last Crusade... TOD and KOTCS are alright, but Raiders and Last Crusade are the best) Indy movies?

How many times have The Simpsons mentioned Hitler or the Nazis as a joke?
Family Guy for that matter (and I HATE that show, just saying it's wide in popularity so it filters through into the public consciousness... the baby and dog are alright, but everyone else is so annoying and frankly iuts just trying to be racist at everyone to be funny... and failing on the funny far too often.)

James Bond's most famous villain is... well, one of them, he's got a few...

Auric Goldfinger, who's protrayed by (I think) a real Austrian/German.

That's the thing, the point I've been trying to make- its a STEROTYPE now that Germans are the "bad guys" in a lot of media, or are super-intense at the very least.

So, going back to Linus' line, What Have We Learned?

Thus far I've learned to phrase things a bit more carefully. ;)
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
08 Apr 10 UTC
And I DON'T buy the sterotype, DingleberryJones (I AM PART-GERMAN in descent, like I said, so I don't BUY the damn stereotype!) but I am saying with the wide affect of it all and media over the last 50, 60 yers, the German as a Nazi or else at least as a very intense person, has become A stereotype in the US.
KaptinKool (408 D)
08 Apr 10 UTC
Germany is one of the most innovative countries in the world!

When I think of Germany I think of engineering brilliance in every sector, composers that created musical history, architecture that has defined and transcended eras, the worlds second most exporting economy and the greatest scientists to walk the face of the earth since Newton...

obiwanobiwan is delusional, the average person doesn't see Germany as "the bad guys", most people see them for who they are.

DingleberryJones (4469 D(B))
08 Apr 10 UTC
Obi, you missed my point. You don't buy the stereotype, but you think America buys the stereotype, and I don't believe thats true, and I think a few other posters here are trying to tell you the same thing.
Stukus (2126 D)
08 Apr 10 UTC
James Bond's most famous villain is Ernst Stavro Blofeld, a Pole, so far as I recall. His next most famous villains are Dr. No and Goldfinger, the former of whom is half German and half Chinese, and Goldfinger's actor personally helped saved a Jewish family during WWII. The character is named for a Hungarian, and the character himself is Latvian.

In the novels, James Bond mostly goes up against SMERSH and the Soviet Union. Only Hugo Drax, from the Moonraker novel, has any connection with Nazi Germany from what I remember, and I believe even he's being paid by the USSR and SMERSH. In short, James Bond doesn't stereotype Germans as Nazis.

I also rarely think of Nazis when I hear Germany. I'm more likely to think of Prussia and Frederick. After that, it's more of a Munich flavor. Oktoberfest, beer, happy people, &c.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
08 Apr 10 UTC
Oh, good God, I don't want a lecture on Germany here, I was just hoping for a talk about the wars and people's families and all since we're near the century mark, and one stupid blurb about Germany later...

Firstly, as thiw whole thing is "What Have We Learned" and I included the Germany reference with a load of other negatives (i, what if this negative result didn't exist) it would seem that logically it SHOULD be interpretted as I meant it, that this steroetype is a NEGATIVE one!

How many people am I going to have to tell obiwanobiwan doesn't hate Germans?

OBIWANOBIWAN DOESN'T HATE GERMANS!

FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE, HE'S ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT NIETZSCHE HERE, AND NIETZSCHE WAS FROM... GERMANY!!!

OBIWANOBIWAN DOESN'T HATE GERMANS ALREADY!

Yeesh!

Seriously, can't we just drop the whole German thing and folcus on the other 19/20ths of what I wrote adn wanted to talk about?

I just wanted to look at everything from the near-century mark, I didn't want a lecture on how great Germany is, I KNOW IT IS GREAT AND NOT ALL GERMANS ARE BAD IN FACT THEY ARE NOT AND THEY ARE NOT NAZIS I KNOW THAT THAT'S JUST A STUPID STEROTYPE THAT'S IN THE MEDIA, THAT'S ALL I WAS TRYING TO SAY IN THAT ONE BLURB I WISH I COULD DELETE NOW, CAN WE GET OFF OUF GERMANY!!!!!!

>(

(Please?)
wydend (0 DX)
08 Apr 10 UTC
@ obi: You are arguing two different cases here. The first one is that people think of Nazi's when they think of Germany, and the other that German is strereotyped as the "bad guys". For the first point, I would agree that when people think of Germany, they do think of Nazi's and Hitler. But that is just history, that is not a stereotype. They don't think that Germany is like that now, but rather think of Hitler and Nazi's because it was one of the largest events in the world. The same can be said of thinking of Stalin when you think of Russia and so on.

Regarding German's as being stererotyped as "bad guys", I don't really see it. In fact I would say that the most common nationality I see in media (in America) is of Russian's being the "bad guys".
wydend (0 DX)
08 Apr 10 UTC
sorry, didn't see your last post before I posted.
DingleberryJones (4469 D(B))
08 Apr 10 UTC
@Wydend
"think of Hitler and Nazi's because it was one of the largest events in the world. The same can be said of thinking of Stalin when you think of Russia and so on."

I would disagree with this statement. I think Stalin would be less associated with Russia that Hitler is with Germany, as Stalin's actions had more of an impact within Russia, so loses his place in history with much of the public, as opposed to Hitler, whose actions engulfed the world.
KaptinKool (408 D)
08 Apr 10 UTC
I've just noticed that there is a line of code missing from the forum section on webDip:

$anythingObiSays = strtolower($anythingObiSays);
wydend (0 DX)
08 Apr 10 UTC
@DingleberryJones: Yeah, that is a fair argument. I was just trying to emphasize that it is not "wrong" to think of Hitler when you think of Germany. I couldn't really think of an example to match Hitler, so I used Stalin. I agree with you that Stalin is less associated with Russia than Hitler is with Germany, but he is associated nonetheless.
Draugnar (0 DX)
08 Apr 10 UTC
But the real point is that Obiwan is under the impression that American's immediately jump to Nazis when they think of Germany. This is not true. And his examples (movie wise) are very flawed. Raiders and Last Crusade are a period pieces set around World War II so the villains happen to be Nazis. Kingdon is set during the cold war and the villains are naturally Soviets.

Moveis reflect the times they are made in *or* the times they are set in. Rocky IV was an 80s piece and had a Soviet boxer as a villain as a result. James Bond has had almost 50 years on screen and the villains have reflected the times accordingly. They have been Korean in Die Another Day, old-school and bitter Kremlin with a traitor British spy in Goldeneye, and corporate greed and terrorism in The World is Not Enough, Tomorrow Never Dies, Casino Royale, and Quantum of Solace. And that's just the Brosnan and Craig eras.

@obiwan - just admit that your presumption that America's view of Germany is tained by WWI & WWII is false. We aren't accusing you of being anti-Teutonic; just false in your presumption that America (many of whom are of German descent and their parents or grandparents ran from the Nazi's and/or the Kaiser).
Hunter49r (189 D)
08 Apr 10 UTC
When I think of Germany, Nazi's are one of the first things that pop into my head. Jut like Italians would be associated with the Mafia, and French people are associated with surrender. I don't think there is anything incorrect with what Obi said. In high school, someone that is of German decent will at some or another time be jokingly called a Nazi.

-I am a fraction German, and no parts Jewish for anyone interested. :D
Hunter49r (189 D)
08 Apr 10 UTC
*that doesn't mean that I have any problem with Modern Germans, though. I understand that it is just something in their past, and I'm sure they regret it more then anyone else, because it did alter the public opinion of them for a long while.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
08 Apr 10 UTC
But most extremist "Jihad" Muslims believe we are Satan incarnate because of what the crusaders did back then combined with our present, less restrictive societal views on the role of God and man and woman.

I doubt the Islamic world thinks much about the crusades, and the islamic extremeists think more about the liberal attitude to sex and the cultural infiltration which is influencing young muslims the world over due to comercialisation (where Money is our God rather than, eh, God)

I have absolutely no connection with WW2, my family are all Irish and we sat through the 'emergency' as a neutral nation (but neutral against germany of course, many Irishmen went to fight for the British and both nations ignored the blatant breach of neutrality)

My only connection to WW1 was my great grandfather who fought in the Easter rising in Dublin, when Irishmen attacked British troops possibly with some German arms which had been dropped to Ireland - the idea being to take advantage of Britian's distraction and finally liberating the country. The rising was a militrary failure, and my Great Grand father was against it if it was going to be nothing more than a blood sacrifice with no chance of militrary success. He spent the two days before the rising driving around the country to tell various local groups that hte rising had been cancelled only to arrive back in Dublin to find out the rest of the leadership had changed their minds. He then choose to fight because he had helped organise it and felt he had to take part even though he didn't want a blood sacrifice - which is what it turned into. He was the only leader of the rising to be killed in action, the rest were executed days later which brought public opinion in Ireland around to their side.

A pointless death but Ireland would not be the same place it is today without the actions taken that easter. What ahve we learned? Perhaps in Europe that national boundaries aren't important enough to kill over, and that by pooling our sovereignty we can overcome nationalistic conflict and become a strong, culturally distinct, economic driving force in the World.

What some historical writers now refer to as a European civil war (various monarchs defined Europe and these inter-related families have now lost grace and the division between their territories are now gone as we instead rule with a new peaceful pseudo-democratic political culture) has ended the way most civil wars end, a new internal order in Europe which seeks to include all those former warring territories.

Europe will never be the same again, and i hope will never resort to warfare to resolve it's internal difficulties.
Triskelli (146 D)
09 Apr 10 UTC
Unfortunately, I really have no interesting, in-depth stories. My grandfather was a tail-gunner for a bomber in the European theater, and got a medal for destroying an aqueduct somewhere in Italy. (I discovered when going through his things, he passed away when I was seven) My uncle and his son-in-law was in Vietnam as part of a mechanized APC unit, and I didn't learn about that until I had a school project. HIS son, my cousin, was in Iraq a few years back, but I haven't asked him directly about his experiences, and I'm not sure he would want to talk about them.

Only story I have from World War One is that my friend's great-grandfather was captian of a ship that rammed and sank an enemy U-boat.

I think one of the lessons we all can derive from these tales is that it's incredibly easy for the layman to distance himself from war and glorify the actions of individuals when taken out of context, like my grandfather's daring bombing run and Captain Walker's valiant actions.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
09 Apr 10 UTC
I'm going to over generalize:

We haven't learned a thing. Human beings are selfish creatures promoting their own interests over those of other human beings. When the interests conflict intensely, war or fights often erupt. Alas.

And don't think for a second that our "Enlightenment" on the topic, that is, our ability to discuss it "rationally" as I just did above means that we can now solve the problem. I will be the first to admit that I myself am deep down just like one of those human beings I describe. If I am starving and some fat dude has the only cheeseburger... I'd probably kill him.

Now imagine the fat dude is a country... and you get endless war until technology is good enough to eliminate scarcity of all kinds. I say that will happen in ~100,000 years.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
09 Apr 10 UTC
Well that was a bit of a downer, Thucydides...
Chrispminis (916 D)
09 Apr 10 UTC
I mostly agree with Thucydides but my conclusion is not so grim. Yes, humans are selfish creatures, and yes, scarcity is a bitch. Actually, I don't think technology will ever fully eliminate scarcity. Most types of scarcities will only be solved by some kind of regimented population control, and some scarcities can never conceivably solved as long as we're recognizably human. For example, the attention and/or affection of other humans is certainly not an infinite resource and will certainly result in competition.

However, the overall written history of humanity has shown a very steady progress; commendable achievements for selfish apes I think. Sure, there have been dips along the way thanks to cultural genocide, but by and large the human story has been one of constant innovation and the creation of valuable capital. Sure, we argue now whether capitalism or communism is better, but think of past human history when we had to put up with feudalism or despotism at best. Even during periods we now consider to be extremely adverse to any sort of technological or cultural progress, has the engine of human ingenuity faltered?

Individual persons learn from their past mistakes, but people don't live very long. Humanity as a population may not learn much from the mistakes of the distant past, but on a meta-human level, the cultural consciousness retains the accumulated knowledge of past scientists, engineers, and philosophers, and the physical world we inherit retains most of the capital and infrastructure built and created by the skilled hands and minds of our predecessors.

So it may be that we do not learn from our historical mistakes, at least on the level of individual human consciousness, but the power of millions, and now billions, of people working selfishly to better their own worlds, each with a mind as potent as the next, is no negligible factor. It's true that many steal, maim, kill, and otherwise exploit others, but that is not, and cannot for any sustainable population, be true of the majority of humans, and a majority is all it takes to keep the engine going. Whether you acknowledge it or not, the world of today is better than the world of yesterday. It remains to be seen if we can overcome the obstacles of tomorrow, but I'm optimistic. =)
orathaic (1009 D(B))
09 Apr 10 UTC
as selfish and greedy as we may be as individuals we are also capable of identifying with a group and working toward a common goal.

Thuc, I you feel so isolated from your fellow man that you don't identify with any group then i feel sorry for you. If you think that countries act like people then I think you are wrong.

As countries we have the ego's of politicians and diplomats, the mob mentality of public opinion and the accumulated laws of our societies and international community.

Countries may pretend to follow international law to make it seem like they have meaning and avoid annoying each other, like a set of house rules to share your space with people - but it is not all that useful to imagine countries as fat people, and the conclusion that warfare is therefore inevitable may be wrong.


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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
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Obiwanobiwan does NOTE HATE GERMANS!!!
I am of that line being taken out of context, especially as my family is FROM GErmany, I merely said there is somewhat for some people of a negative stereotype for Germans being Nazis or all ruthless or whatever following the Wars, I said it was negative, I don't hold the view- so STOP CALING ME A RACIST! (I don't like being accused of something I'm not!)
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07 Apr 10 UTC
Ghost-Rating Based Game.
Please make yourself available to play a fine game with respected players!
23 replies
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Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
08 Apr 10 UTC
Live Game 5 mins
gameID=26196
3 spaces
2 replies
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TAWZ (0 DX)
08 Apr 10 UTC
AGAIN
gameID=26196
1 reply
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TAWZ (0 DX)
08 Apr 10 UTC
Live Fast
JOIN ????
gameID=26194
0 replies
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V+ (5402 D)
08 Apr 10 UTC
2 more 2 minutes - live
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=26186
1 reply
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FloatingLakes (5034 D)
08 Apr 10 UTC
Ancient Med Questions
I'm playing on the Ancient Med Variant and I am curious about some of the territories. Here is the game to help you see the picture of the map. gameID=25931.
2 replies
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Jamie_nordli (122 D)
08 Apr 10 UTC
12 hr Dip
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=26181
0 replies
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GamesBond (189 D)
08 Apr 10 UTC
Gunboat Live Anonymous
starting in 30min. Join: gameID=26180

Please do not post in this thread if you want to join up.
No multiple accounts!
0 replies
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Jamie_nordli (122 D)
08 Apr 10 UTC
1 hour ancient med
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=26179
0 replies
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TAWZ (0 DX)
08 Apr 10 UTC
LIVE NOW
Join the Game
gameID=26177
2 replies
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dontbcruel (175 D)
08 Apr 10 UTC
Anyone up for making a World Game Happen?
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=26164

I know a few folks have expressed a desire for this. It's fun playing the regular board, but this could be epic-- plus, we won't have all the same old strategies to rely on. A real hootenanny.
2 replies
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V+ (5402 D)
08 Apr 10 UTC
live anon gunboat in 15 mins
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=26171
1 reply
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