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Toby Bartels (361 D)
09 Jan 10 UTC
Variant idea: All dark press.
I would like to try a game with all dark press. That is, the country making a comment is not identified by the system. More specific ideas inside.
Toby Bartels (361 D)
09 Jan 10 UTC
Reading online about the postal game, there are several variations on this idea, under the name of "black press", "grey [gray] press", and even "dark grey press", depending on to what extent one can try to lie about the origin of a message or direct it only to certain players. I will just say "dark press" for the general idea.

So all press that you receive should come in a single way through the system, with no indication as to which of the six other players sent it. It would probably be just as well to make the game anonymous too.

First question: Are people interested in trying this out?

Second question: How can we implement it on this site?

(I have an answer to the second question, but I'll put it in a separate comment to keep it distinct from the basic proposal and the two questions themselves.)
Toby Bartels (361 D)
09 Jan 10 UTC
Here is one idea as to how we could implement a dark-press game on webDiplomacy.

Create a new account whose password is sent to each player. (If an organiser knows who the players are, then this organiser could set up the account and send the password by PM. If the game is really anonymous, then any player could set up the account and post the password by Global press without stating who they were. But any PM or in-game press besides this one giving out the password would be cheating.)

This account does not actually play any games (that would be multi-accounting!), it only posts to a forum thread for the dark-press game. No other account is allowed to post the forum thread; kibbitzers should be chased off (especially if we don't know who the players are), and players who post to the thread under their own names are cheating. Any player could sabotage the thread (temporarily) by changing this account's password (which would also be cheating), but then any of the players could create a new press-only account to replace it, so hopefully nobody will be such an asshole as to try that.

The biggest drawback, I think, is that the players would have to keep logging out of their real accounts and into the press account, and not mix them up; no big deal if you try to play in the press account, since it won't work and you can change, but you have to be very careful not to post to the thread with your real account, or you'll be condemned as a cheater. So it's inconvenient, and a little dangerous.

Any other ideas?
Wow, a game for colorblind people! Being colorblind makes it all but impossible to differentiate between text color in global press. (I've never played a global press game for just this reason).
orathaic (1009 D(B))
09 Jan 10 UTC
it seems easier to modify the comms system to support this variant... but you could have everyone email a single gmail account with their messages (other than that play anon, gunboat) however you can setup filters in gmail (say based on subject line) to forward the messages to the email address of the intended target.

I'm pretty sure this would be easier (but you'd have to check gmail to see if the filter rules let you forward without saying who the original message came from)
Toby Bartels (361 D)
09 Jan 10 UTC
I don't see how to get Gmail to remove the From address on an email (although I haven't tried so thoroughly that I think it's impossible).

But there's a related idea: Set up an account on a complete separate messaging system and have everybody use that. Gmail would be too powerful; people can delete messages, change the filters, etc. But there may be a forum on some other site that we could use.
Sendler (418 D)
09 Jan 10 UTC
Why not just make one Gunboat Anon Game, which is the actual game.
And one game (like only 5 D), which is public press and anon.
And in the public press game everybody posts for the real game(gunboat anon game).
Sendler (418 D)
09 Jan 10 UTC
*you can canel the public press game after the other game has ended, make it 10 days phases so it doesnt end
**of course both games would be password protectet and the same 7 players have to be in both games
Xapi (194 D)
09 Jan 10 UTC
You are not allowed to have two accounts.

No, not even for this.
Sendler (418 D)
09 Jan 10 UTC
you dont need two accounts for my idea ;)
Jamiet99uk (873 D)
09 Jan 10 UTC
Sendler, in your idea, the problem would be that although people would not know which player was which country, every post a given player made in the public press game would be in their country's colour. That is, my second post would be the same colour as my first post. Therefore it would not function in the same way as the 'dark' press described by Toby.
Sendler (418 D)
09 Jan 10 UTC
yes your right :/
akilies (861 D)
09 Jan 10 UTC
you're
Sendler (418 D)
09 Jan 10 UTC
yes you're right, so they say
Toby Bartels (361 D)
10 Jan 10 UTC
>You are not allowed to have two accounts.

That's an interesting conundrum. Who exactly would have two accounts? Would the mods want to ban everybody who played this game? Or only those who actually used the forum-only account to post to the forum?

Surely there's nothing illegal about simply joining a game and then receiving a password through PM. (In fact, we could just post the password on the forum and hope that nobody with trollish tendencies reads the thead.) So this puts players in the strange position that they can be banned for making a forum post.

Or perhaps it's only the person who actually creates the account who is guilty of multi-accounting. (After all, it's not against the rules to sit for another account.) But tt should be possible to do this in such a way that the mods can't tell who did it; multi-accounting can be detected in the long run, but a single act of creation (and then 7 PMs) from a never again used IP can't easily be traced.

But I don't really want to try to get around the mods like this. Really, I can't imagine why you would object to a forum-only account for this purpose. Is it because it interferes with automatic methods to detect multi-accounting? But two people using the same computer would cause the same problems, and that's allowed. Why do you object to this?


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jazzguy1987 (0 DX)
09 Jan 10 UTC
New Live Game replacing the one I posted below!!!
Here is a new Live Game! The one I had below wasn't actually a live game, stupid me! Anyway, 5 min. phases, anonomous players, 6 D to join.
gameID=18652
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ormi (100 D)
09 Jan 10 UTC
wild wild map game
Hello everybody, i create a new game in a wirld wild map, call new-5. Join!!!
6 replies
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Saturday Night Live -4
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Rule Britannia (737 D)
09 Jan 10 UTC
New contract diplomacy!
A new contract game! join up quick!
gameID=18656
0 replies
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jazzguy1987 (0 DX)
09 Jan 10 UTC
Live Game!!!!
There will be a Live Game, starting at about 8:00p.m. E.T. 5 min phases, 5 D to join. Anonomous players.
gameID=18630
5 replies
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jimgov (219 D(B))
09 Jan 10 UTC
What is a process cycle?
I have been jumping into some live games and when 7 players join the "game will start on next process cycle" notice comes up. Usually this is no big deal. I just jumped into one that doesn't start for 1:35. When does the process cycle come up?
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Jerkface (1626 D)
09 Jan 10 UTC
Live game - 5 minutes
Does anyone want to play?
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=18629
0 replies
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jazzguy1987 (0 DX)
09 Jan 10 UTC
New Live Game!!!!!
Here is a new Live Game. 5 min. per phase, Anonomous players, and only 6 D to join! It is set to start at about 3:30p.m. E.T. Come join!!!
gameID=18623
12 replies
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happyjo (330 D)
09 Jan 10 UTC
New game 20 points PPSC
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=18531
0 replies
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New World Map Game - 50(D) bet, 24 Hour Turns.
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=18625
0 replies
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happyjo (330 D)
09 Jan 10 UTC
New game 20 points PPSC
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=18529
0 replies
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jazzguy1987 (0 DX)
09 Jan 10 UTC
New Live Game replacing the one I posted below!!!
New live game, 5 min. phases, starts in 30 minutes, and only 5 D to join.
gameID=18624
1 reply
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`ZaZaMaRaNDaBo` (1922 D)
09 Jan 10 UTC
Attention denis
Go to goondip and take over the world with me
1 reply
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curtis (8870 D)
09 Jan 10 UTC
15 pt. Live game...
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=18599
4 replies
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jazzguy1987 (0 DX)
09 Jan 10 UTC
New Live Game!!!!!
Here is a new Live Game!!! 5 min. per phase and Anonomous players! Only 8 D to join!!! It is set to start at about 3:40 E.T.
gameID=18620
0 replies
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curtis (8870 D)
09 Jan 10 UTC
5 Pt. Live game right now..
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=18599
2 replies
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Paulsalomon27 (731 D)
09 Jan 10 UTC
Contract game riddle.
Here's a riddle about contract diplomacy. If you don't know binding contracts can be signed between parties in the form of [ ].
75 replies
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C-K (2037 D)
09 Jan 10 UTC
Looking to start a Live Game in 5 hours
Gunboat/Anon/20point/WTA
I will start the game in one hour as there isn't a 5 hour option. It's password protected so post interest here and I'll start sending out the passwords. I'll be on and off for the next few hours so let me know.
5 replies
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jeromeblack (129 D)
09 Jan 10 UTC
Live Fast Game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=18612
starts soon

join up
3 replies
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`ZaZaMaRaNDaBo` (1922 D)
09 Jan 10 UTC
Live game-hoping to get experienced players to come
1 reply
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Gianbirus (100 D)
09 Jan 10 UTC
Hard And Fast!!
5 mim phases, lets rock!!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=18612
0 replies
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jimgov (219 D(B))
09 Jan 10 UTC
Gunboat starting
Anon, no chat, 10 D, 5 min phases...gameID=18604
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OK, Who Is It?
Tuesday 9:15 p.m., Wisconsin Ave NW, the 32 bus northbound. You: overheard on mobile discussing your plans for taking the Balkans. Me: anonymous fellow bus passenger. Anybody willing to own up? :)
44 replies
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BusDespres (182 D)
09 Jan 10 UTC
LIVE GAME ONLY NEEDS 1!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=18595
4 replies
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SpeakerToAliens (147 D(S))
08 Jan 10 UTC
Avatar the movie
Awesome, simply awesome. I saw it in 2 D first and was so impressed I went back to see it in 3 D. It is fantastic. The 3 D effects extend to the computer displays the characters are using - they have depth too. And what appeared to be "normal" photos on a wall in the 2 D version were given depth too. Amazing!
19 replies
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Variant Map Discussions
Where is the best place to go to discuss variant maps, either the variant itself or the implementation? If we're testing out the variant maps, it would make sense to have somewhere to go to discuss issues with the implementation or the variant itself.
6 replies
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G-Lo (296 D)
27 Dec 09 UTC
World cup - West Europe
I've read that England has it's own team.
I'm from France. Any other player from western Europe to build a team?
48 replies
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Troodonte (3379 D)
08 Jan 10 UTC
Live Gunboat
Anyone interested in a Live Gunboat?
28 replies
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VVinston Smith (0 DX)
09 Jan 10 UTC
Live Game - joy division - 5min/anon/gunboat
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=18593
1 reply
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