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12 Sep 08 UTC

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US-Venezuela

Does anyone else see the writing on the wall?

signs I've seen point to war
what does everyone else see?

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18 Sep 08 UTC

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War Games waiting

Hi guys,
I've opened a new game: http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=5727

Points-per-supply-Center
22hours/phase
10 points to bet

Cheers, Steppi

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WhiteSammy (132

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18 Sep 08 UTC

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Chicken Huntin

Guys i have some sad news for you. My game Chicken Huntin is in need of some people to sign up.

Here is the link.
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=5723

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WhiteSammy (132

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18 Sep 08 UTC

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Worse time to Start a Game

Hey the genius who created this game here...

http://www.freewebs.com/hiimme333html/factions.png

obviously never thought about sleeping so it would awesome if even though almost every member of this game will be CD'd sometime in the next 8-10 hours that you please dont take over one of those nations

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18 Sep 08 UTC

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Something wrong??

See this picture in a game we are playing
http://phpdiplomacy.net/mapstore/522/5224/12-largemap.png?nocache=5681ad

As You can see Italy lost Mar since Gas+Bur->Mar although
Support from GOL did not help since Spain attacked GOL, but then Spain was attacked by WMS. As I have read the rules the attack from WMS -> Spain should have disrupted Spain->GOL and therefore GOL support Mar should have ended in Mar still being Italian!!! We is it not so??? Something wrong in the DATC or have I misinterpreted the rules?

/MensSana

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DeliciousWolf (112

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14 Sep 08 UTC

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Are we living in a Police State?

http://seattle.indymedia.org/en/2008/09/268768.shtml

Sicarius (673 )
16 Sep 08 UTC

yes we are

Tolstoy (1962 )
16 Sep 08 UTC

We most certainly are, but I'm sure like other police states, most people just don't care until something bad happens to them, or think it's all justified because of the threat posed by Public Enemy X.

Sicarius (673 )
16 Sep 08 UTC

thats how most people seem to react. if the police arnt directly violating THEIR rights, it's ok, because they're only violating the rights of terrorists and radicals.
they really dont seem to realize that they really dont have any rights that cant be taken away.

Tup (0 )
16 Sep 08 UTC

If you were living in a police state you wouldn;t be able to discuss the matter!

spartan492 (381 )
16 Sep 08 UTC

Wrong.
The internet is not a censorable medium. The only war to censor the World Wide Web is to outright ban any public chat domains.
If that was done by the government of any western nation there would be huge protests and the state control would crumble under the numbers of suddenly very angry and animated people.

spartan492 (381 )
16 Sep 08 UTC

*The only way to censor the World Wide Web

that took me a while to notice :P

EdiBirsan (1469 )
16 Sep 08 UTC

The Web is censored in China and rather successfully.

I wonder if any of the posters have ever really been to a true police state.

Treefarn (6094 )
16 Sep 08 UTC

I don't even know where to start with Spartan's statement. We don't live in a police state because if we did implement a police state (by banning the internet), the state would fall, so we therefore don't live in a police state. Didn't you just prove the opposite of what you were trying to?

Treefarn (6094 )
16 Sep 08 UTC

LOL, I messed up my own statement. Spartan was disagreeing with someone who said we don't believe in a lolice state because we can still discuss it on the internet. Spartan's reply was that doesn't prove we don't live in a police state, but I believe his logic proves it does.

Blackheath Wanderer (0 )
16 Sep 08 UTC

The internet is uncensorable?! Tell that to google China!

Blackheath Wanderer (0 )
16 Sep 08 UTC

I went to North Korea this Summer...

spartan492 (381 )
16 Sep 08 UTC

Google China is the example of the only way to censor the internet.
I did mention that it could be censored by banning whole websites and domains (which is what I believe Google China does).
I merely stated that it could not be done in a Western country since it would be too obvious and would lead to rioting and huge political activism against whatever regieme implemented the ban.

spartan492 (381 )
16 Sep 08 UTC

Actually, all Nations are police states of one sort or another. It is merely the levels of state power that vary.

If Im not making any sense then read my posts through slowly and carefully as I may be repeating myself or making invalid points. I probably should sleep soon :)

Treefarn (6094 )
16 Sep 08 UTC

or not making invalid points

spartan492 (381 )
16 Sep 08 UTC

Sorry, what?
Not invalid cancels out to valid... so you are saying that I made valid points...
I know that I made atleast some valid points...
never mind, I'll check again in the morning and see if this makes more sense then.

sean (3490 )
17 Sep 08 UTC

yes we are all living in some kind of police states. just some are nicer and have more goodies to keep us happy. but also there is a wide difference between a naked rule of the gun in a 19th century style police state and what most of us live in , a state of manufactured consent.

Chrispminis (916 )
17 Sep 08 UTC

Really? Would censorship cause riots?

Let's say the American government decides it wants to ban all access to sites that recruited Muslims in U.S.A. for Al-Qaeda. I'm sure people would protest it. There might even be a sizable movement on the internet. However, I sincerely doubt that there will be any large scale physical movement resulting in a riot. I wouldn't argue a slippery slope from there, but there is a slope, and the climate gets colder with every site banned, will anybody be watching the ice form?

sean (3490 )
17 Sep 08 UTC

i agree Chrispminis, the powers that be dont take your neighbors, take away your house and your rights overnight. Slow slippery slopes are a tried and tested way of circumventing democracy. Look at the Republicans disregard for the finer points of the American constitution. One day a al qaeda recruitment site, then a Islamic charity with links to the political wings on Islamic extremism and then a forum and news site about dissatisfaction in the Islamic world. look at how America and the gulf dictatorships treat Al jazeera.

DeliciousWolf (112 )
18 Sep 08 UTC

I agree, all States are 'police' states to some extent, but I think the standard we must use to judge this in the U.S. is this: Does the Government 'police' the people (in whatever way) in unconstitutional ways, unchallenged in the courts?

To my mind the answer is now yes, and growing. The suspicion-less border/immigration stops- in country- clearly and tangibly violate the constitution's fourth amendment.

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16 Sep 08 UTC

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Next World War

Here is a list of powers in the factions that i think will probably be involved in the war. Feel free to comment.

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DukeAtreides (100

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17 Sep 08 UTC

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Can fall retreats gain SCs?

Say there's an English army in Norway in fall, and it's attacked by Russia from Sweden with support from Finland. Could it retreat into St Petersburg (assuming it was empty) and would England then gain St Petersburg as an SC?

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17 Sep 08 UTC

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very good CD position

The Holes in the Cheese [1] has an 11SC turkey available. please hurry; the game is going horribly without someone there.

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17 Sep 08 UTC

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Carrying over a grudge.

If someone stabs you do you remember it and look to stab them back in a later game? Or just play the board? Discuss

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17 Sep 08 UTC

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Retreats

If there is an empty province that two armies try to move to they both bounce. If one of those armies is dislodged can it retreat to the empty province?

Eg Brest and Burgundy both try to move to Paris but fail. Brest is dislodged by an attack from EC and MAO, can it then retreat to Paris?

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17 Sep 08 UTC

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Default rules for retreats

What are the default rules if a unit is required to retreat, but no orders are entered. For example Russian A-RUM has been dislodged by Turkey and the two unoccupied adjacent territories are BUD (currently under Austrian control) and SEV (currently under Russian control), where will the Russian army go by default?

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TheGhostmaker (1545

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17 Sep 08 UTC

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This made me laugh...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7620720.stm

"Lib Dems headed for government"

Clegg can't half tell a good joke, can he?

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17 Sep 08 UTC

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Brown: Years, Days, Minutes?

Will Gordy still be PM by the time this thread drops off the bottom?

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synthesis8 (121

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17 Sep 08 UTC

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Support holding with more than 1 unit

If you support hold a unit with 2 or more units and there is only one unit attacking it, can the unit which is being attacked still support another?

In other words, if enough units support hold a unit, (even if it's being attacked) can they in a way cancel out the attacks on it, or is it simply a case of it a unit is attacked (no matter how much support it has), it can't help another.

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17 Sep 08 UTC

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help with the rules please.

Turkey has three fleets, greece, aegeon sea and eastern med. Italy has three fleets, albania, ionian sea and naples.
Italy Ion to aeg, naples to ion, alb to gre.
Turkey East Med to Ion, greece hold, aeg support east med to ionian sea.

How did east med get through and force Ion to retreat, as it cut east med's support by attacking aeg sea and should have bounced with naples-ion?

The moves are recorded history moves by the way there was no errors in submitting orders.

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14 Sep 08 UTC

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Intentional CDs

I never thought much about why people went into CD. I always assumed something came up in their lives, or they were a newbie and decided Diplomacy was not for them.

So I recently ran into the same opponent in two different games. When one game started going badly for him, he just stopped entering moves. He still had 4 centers, and probably could have salvaged something, but he just abandoned the game.

The other game, which is going better for him, he kept playing and is still playing.

Thoughts?

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dangermouse (5551

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17 Sep 08 UTC

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Diplomacy during Builds and Retreats...

Is technically against the rules. Does anyone actually follow that rule here? I've noticed, especially during games with long turn times, that many people will try to conduct diplomacy during that time without finalizing their orders.

Discuss.

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DingleberryJones (4469

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17 Sep 08 UTC

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Join Dingle My Berry 8 pts 12 hours

http://www.diplomacy.net/board.php?game=5717

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14 Sep 08 UTC

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Dinner with the Borgias

A game with Edi Birsan...

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EdiBirsan (1469

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17 Sep 08 UTC

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When does a topic drop off of the Forum List?

AS it says in the subject...

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17 Sep 08 UTC

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Why Can't We All Just Get Along?

That's the game name. Come on, join.

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Sagefire135 (100

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17 Sep 08 UTC

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clarification on nc and sc of those 3 territories

can a fleet move from a nc, to a sc?

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17 Sep 08 UTC

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Question re retreats

Scenario:

the players and positions (all units are armies)

Germany occupies Ruhr and Berlin. Kiel and Silesia are vacant.
France occupies Belgium and Munich.
England occupies Holland and Denmark.
Austria occupies Tyrolia, Bohemia and Vienna

The play:

Germany attacks Kiel from Berlin with support from Ruhr and with English support from either Holland or Denmark or both.
Austria attacks Munich from Tyrolia with support from Bohemia.

Because of its support, Germany secures Kiel (which was formerly empty).
Because of its support, Austria secures Munich. The unit in Munich is obliged to retreat.

THE QUESTION: Can the unit formerly in Munich retreat to Berlin? Berlin is currently vacant after having successfully recaptured Kiel.

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17 Sep 08 UTC

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When is a Position considered Abandoned?

How many turns are to be missed in a row before a position is considered as abandoned?

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16 Sep 08 UTC

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Draw vs Survive

So is there a consensus as to which is closer to victory, a draw or a survive?

To take it a step further, say I have a choice between a draw, or a survive for more points than I would get in the draw, or vice versa?

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16 Sep 08 UTC

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The Twelve Hour Game With The Longest Name...

That This Website Has Ever Seen And Will Ever See Because Everyone Else Is More Creative Than Me At Naming Their Games.

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=5701
this is a 12 hour game and it needs 6 more people so please join

oh and kestas you should let people know that the limit for a name is only 53 characters

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16 Sep 08 UTC

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8-Hour Game

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=5699

it would be awesome if we could get 2 more people into this game so we can play some speed diplomacy

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Blackheath Wanderer (0

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12 Sep 08 UTC

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Should England declare independence from the Celtic fringe?

It'd save a bob or two after all!

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13 Sep 08 UTC

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Jogo em Portugues - Agora Sim!

Pessoal, vamos criar um jogo para nós!

Cadastre-se no grupo abaixo:
http://groups.google.com.br/group/jogo-diplomacia?hl=pt-BR&lnk=
para que possamos criar um jogo aqui somente com jogadores que falem portugues!

Aguardo vocês!

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