"The problem is that many of those at the top of the Conservative Party are simply not on our side. They aren't serious about the change that Britain so desperately needs.

"Of course they talk the talk before elections. They say what they feel they must say to get our support... but on so many issues - on modernising our politics, on the recall of MPs, on controlling our borders on less government, on bank reform, on cutting public debt, on an EU referendum - they never actually make it happen."

On Mr Cameron's pledge of an in/out EU referendum on 2017, after renegotiating powers back from Brussels, he said the prime minister's advisers had "made it clear that they're looking to cut a deal that gives them just enough to persuade enough voters to vote to stay in".

He added: "Once I realised that, my position in the Conservative Party became untenable."

Cheer up, Nigs. You're sounding like someone whose bet all his points on a gunboat and got Austria!

Amazing thread, this. I leave for only a month and when I get back you're singing from the UKIP hymn book! There are only two sure solutions to this problem that would be effective in the short term. The UKIP solution of leaving the EU, or the Labour solution of breaking the economy so no one wants to come here. Which one are you proposing, or do you have your own? If so do tell. :).

Ouch .... that gunboat comment hurts, are you privy to info that other forum members don't have, if so, shhhhh!!

I'm not making the news on this UKIP story, seems like Cameron is sprinkling his pixie magic dust around his party, I can't help but get the impression he is becoming a bit of a laughing stock amongst his political colleagues and once they lose the by-election back-benchers will be calling for his head.
Anybody who things jumping into bed politically with Nick Clegg deserves all that is coming to them and today it has been revealed that Cameron does not want to leave Europe, he is a two-faced hypocrite desperate to cling on to power, spinning out of control, it is all going pear mate, just like I predicted.
Your prediction is UKIP will get 10% in the General Election, I predict 18%, bye bye Cameron, bye bye Clegg.

Should read "Anybody who things jumping into bed politically with Nick Clegg was a good idea...."

thinks not things

"today it has been revealed that Cameron does not want to leave Europe"

Nigs, I have been telling you this for years. How did I know? Because Cameron keeps saying it. Dear God, man, just because you finally grasp that one of the things you invent about someone you don't like isn't true doesn't make them two faced :p.

Still, you forget to say how you'd solve this immigration problem. Do tell

There is no serious immigration problem. It is a myth.

There you go, Nigs, Jamie's solution is to say it isn't a problem. Nice and simple and consistent with his beliefs. I strongly disagree, of course, but that hardly matters

One option is to create an island using empty soda bottles, lash it to the mainland using ropes, and put immigrants on the island for the period of 1 year. If they cause problems, then cut the rope and let em sail to another land. If they're good, upstanding citizens, pull the island to shore and let 'em board.

wow genitalia shaming in op

@ Tru Ninja

You seem to be working on the basis that upstanding citizens would be wanted. The core of the British immigration argument is not that immigrants are bad people, but that they the current high numbers causes problems we'd rather do without.

Wow, Nigee is one of those xenophobes. NuLabour really is a shitshow.

Bored again Putin, did any of your Russian military friends take a holiday in Eastern Ukraine this Summer, if so I hope they packed their military equipment as well as their sun tan lotion as I hear it is absolute murder down there.
It won't matter too much if they forgot anything as I hear another Russian 'aid' convoy is on its way soon.

Nigee, Labour really is a shitshow. Now that I've said it can you please refrain from silly what-aboutery.

Mendax ..... who are you, are you Nu?

NigeeBaby - What's the problem with more immigrants?

The issue for me is not the number of immigrants but the lack of border controls, a lot of people enter the Uk for one purpose e.g. 2-year student visa and then once in the country we have lost visibility of them so we have a lot of people in the country who should have applied for leave to stay or renewed their visa or went home.
This is a bit different from the right-wing view that more Johnny Foreigner in country, country going to dogs, therefore to make things better get Johnny Foreigner out of country unless unless he is independently wealthy, then let him stay. If we get 2 million out of country the 2 million unemployed will now be employed because we have 2 million more jobs that Johnny Foreigner had ..... it is economics for idiots. For some on the right it is simpler that that, they are just racist.

"This is a bit different from the right-wing view..."

Ah, so you can advocate a policy that is to the right of most American Republicans because your heart is pure?

I don't think you'll actually find many mainstream right-wingers actually saying "Johnny Foreigner in country, country going to dogs," they're arguments are the same as what you're making.

No tendmote because I am talking out immigration controls and not immigration restrictions which is what Cameron is promising the hard right and failing spectacularly to deliver .... if you don't understand the difference I can explain further until the penny drops.

I think I know the difference, but can you clarify? In any case I think you have begun subconsciously empathizing with conservatives, but we shall see.

And Nigee here shows exactly why Labour is just so morally and intellectually bankrupt now.

"I think you have begun subconsciously empathizing with conservatives"
I do empathize with the Conservatives because ultimately we both want good things for Britain, but their actions are tinted by petty-minded bigotry and a real feeling that their education makes them not only smarter but a better judge of what the country needs, I was always taught that 'pride goes before a fall', something I feel Cameron is going to learn a little later in life ..... but learn he will, better late than never I say.

Mendax .... who are you you little weasel, say something half interesting or intelligent and we can discuss like normal folk do.

You are playing into xenophobia and racism; though you are not making openly racist comments this is the atmosphere that you are making use of. This is not what Labour, originally a progressive party, should be about.

@NigeeBaby: "The issue for me is not the number of immigrants but the lack of border controls."

Then why did your OP bang on about the number of immigrants?

The number of immigrants is a big problem. High numbers are an enemy of integration, cause significant difficulties with infrastructure, are a driver for low wages, and add to environmental pressures. The difficulties suffered by the home nations of the immigrants should also be considered, although rarely are. High levels of immigration is not a good idea.

"You are playing into xenophobia and racism; though you are not making openly racist comments this is the atmosphere that you are making use of."
Mendax you are right I am talking about these subjects, pretending he doesn't like foreigners is one of Camerons favourite policies because he tries to appease his right wingers by talking tough on immigration, but even though he talks tough he actually has no effective policy on managing immigration, Labour were also useless at immigration controls when in power.
It is obviously proving tough for the main parties to tackle this subject, hence the rise of UKIP to fill the gap.
The reason why the OP talks about this is because it is a key govt policy that has gone spectacularly wrong.

It's not so much of a key policy, Nigs. It was a back up in case the economy didn't work as well as it did. As you know there is very little a government can do about immigration aside from leaving the EU. If the economic recovery had failed immigration would have fallen and Cameron could at least point to low numbers of immigrants as a success. The economy has done well so immigration is up, but Cameron hopes that because the economy is doing well people won't care too much.

Judging by how low the immigration figures were on the BBCs list of popular news stories, he's quite right.

It's your Nazi friends who are doing the murdering.

Glad to see your human rights heroism goes out the window when it comes to Russian speaking people.

Labour has really turned into xenophobic murderous scum.

And naturally you turn into an Israeli when it comes to humanitarian convoys. What's the difference between your position and Likud's when it comes to flotillas and tunnels? Nothing.

Putin is this just an opportunity for you to mention Nazis and Likud, are you just ranting like a badger in a skunk party.

Ranting like a badger in a skunk party?

Like a beetle in a bowl of cockroaches.....