there was considerable looting in post-Katrina NOLA but it was grossly overblown and the NOPD was about as shitty as possible in response to it

There was just as much looting as there is after just about every disaster... my ex and I talked about it a lot, especially when storms hit here.

you were nine years old when it happened how did you talk about it lmao

Katrina was a metaphor for their relationship, PE, and an important one. Don't take that from him.

"If we are to avoid that nightmare scenario in future disasters, we
must reform both the design and implementation of our disaster laws to avoid the
overemphasis on security and law enforcement that the disaster myth encourages.''

Uh, there is a lot of bullshit in this statement. Truth is, a lot of people got stuck in NOLA because the Local and State authorities didn't do their job in evacuating people. A lot of buses that should have taken people out of the area (by force if necessary, so as to minimize the risk of life later in rescue efforts) instead sat idle until they were swamped.

The laws were not the problem in this case, nor was the disaster plan. The failure was **implementing** the plans. The failure was in the Leadership, starting with the Mayor, and moving on up. But nobody wants to point a quivering finger at the Democrat mayor of the city, for fear of the inevitable cries of racism that will be attached to any criticism at that level.

PE she was there when it happened...

yes, and unless you're dating a cradle-robber, she's too young to remember any of this

Lmao krellin no one is afraid of pissing on Nagin. The guy is in court for corruption right now.

If Bo was 9 when it happened, it's entirely possible that his ex was 11 or 12, which is easily old enough to remember large parts of what happened.

OK Thucy -- I know you live in a delusional fantasy land...but I'm pretty certain that during Katrina you were probably one of the Lib-Zombies walking with arms stretched out before you moaning, "Bush....Bush....Bush....did....this.....Bushhhhhh...."

You, as always, are a laughable fool.

The Nagin corruption charges have exactly what to do with a discussion of Katrina, and the failure of the media as a whole, and Democrats nation-wide, to lay any blame at Nagin's feet.

Go away, Thucy, until you man up enough to demonstrate a little intellectual integrity.

And -- as **always** is the case, Thucwad -- you entirely ignored that point I made -- which is that suggesting laws and disaster plans need to be changed because of Katrina is ridiculous, since the problem wasn't the plan (i.e. use buses to evacuate people), it was the failure of leadership (Nagin....but nobody had the balls to call his name out...it was Bush's fault for *everything*...and continues to be so to this day).

So man up, Thucwad, and address this.

Lol during Katrina I was a bush fan and knew fuck-all about New Orleans. Didn't even know it was majority black so I didn't understand the race thing. As you love to point out in your counter factual way, this was in a period of my life where I was almost entirely unaware of racial issues, since I'm white.

All I knew was that the Katrina kids who came to my school got in fights with the gangs that were already there several times during lunch. And I also knew many misguided whites from my southern baptist church who went to New Orleans to build a playground that would later rust and get their pictures taken in front of St. Louis cathedral, all in time to be back for classes after spring break.

But of course, I was very much a child at the time. Lord knows what you must have been thinking as an adult. I shudder to imagine the insensitive merciless darkness that must have inhabited your mind

Is anyone here aware that Blackwater was called in after Katrina?

" I was almost entirely unaware of racial issues, since I'm white." Ridiculous excuse, because now he claims to know all about racial issues, and I think he's still white...

" Didn't even know it was majority black" / ." the Katrina kids who came to my school got in fights with the gangs " Conflicting assertions -- another lie exposed.

"misguided whites from my southern baptist church who went to New Orleans to build a playground...in time to be back for classes after spring break." Criticizes white kids for giving up their spring break to do a community project...because, if you are Thucy, black kids don't deserve play grounds, I guess????? This one is just irrational...I think somehow it's falls back on Thucy's deeply rooted white-guilt, wherein no white person is capable of good...

So basically, Thucy had made a wholly irrational post indicating he knew nothing about Katrina, but in the absence of knowledge, he is fully prepared to judge.

And....more to the point....he has *AGAIN* 100% failed to address the point I made, which he continually dodges...that the problem with Katrina was not bad laws or bad evacuation plans, it was a failure of leadership.

Well done Thucwad...I'm starting to believe you must be a government spy, seeing as how you are the master of evasion and all that. Either that or you are just a fucking coward.

" Lord knows what you must have been thinking" I'm trying to discuss what I thought -- you are too much of a pussy to address it. My opening thought was that the failure was one of leadership on the ground level, starting first and foremost with the Mayor that refused to evacuate the people using the buses at his disposal. It was a travesty of justice. That is my initial thought, which you apparently are too much of a coward to address for some unknown reason. As always, when I make a point in a discussion - you evade it.

But..we do see quite clearly that Thucy *gut reaction* is to look for some skin to judge...hey, let's blame whitey...because in Thucy's dark, dark heart, we *always* start with the flesh and judge a person/group by the color of their skin - it determines Thucy's expectations, it determines his first impressions, it determines if Thucy will/will not hold someone accountable for their actions. Thucy, the bigot, has made this much clear in his above statements...or lack of statements.

She was 10, I was 9. I remember 9/11, and I was not even 6. I am not claiming that I understood what was going on, but I remember it well, and I remember feeling the same thing that my parents did even though I only felt it because they felt it. She says she remembers the storm and remembers the aftermath, so as far as I'm concerned, she does. Now please kindly fuck off.

yea aite whatever lol

ZEITOUN by Dave Eggers is a good read regarding Katrina.

Bush et al made certain that all of the Al Qaeda responsible were dealt with.

DANCE, COWARDLY(and fascist all at the same time) american MONKEYS, DANCE.

no one tell the dipshit above me that Dave Eggers is American

So are Chomsky and Hedges.

You're not ALL morons.....

Awesome - that whacky Canadian picked up my dance monkey! heee hee heee....

mapleleaf is now one of my unwitting minions!!! Mwaaaa ha ha ha ha ha

Anyone notice how Thucy has this nasty habit of disappearing whenever he gets the 'ole smack down?

#ThucysGotRedAss

What I find peculiar is how you are all so obsessed with assigning blame over failed disaster management (is there ever any disaster where it doesn't fail?) rather than with the fact that there wouldn't even have been a disaster if there had been some proper flood protection, i.e. levees and shit.

oscar - true dat, brother. Of course, there is blame to be placed, even if you are pointing at the levees "and shit", as the federal government had provided funding for the levees "and shit" to be upgraded years and years before but...<wait for it...> corrupt Democrats running the state never seemed to get around to actually, you know, fixing up the levees "and shit".

Regardless - the levees "and shit" failed and flooded the city - and the disaster plan for such an occurrence -- like put everybody on those buses and drag their asses kicking and screaming if necessary out of town to safety -- was not implemented by the state and local officials, causing people to be trapped and endangered, thus endangering the lives of rescuers....all because of a failure of leadership.

so there is blame to be place all over.

and the reason you place blame is so that you can study the failure, and try to prevent it from happening again.

For example, if you have inept, corrupt leadership, you don't re-elect the corrupt leader once you realize they are to blame for endangering people's lives. sadly, the collective morons in NOLA didn't learn this particular lesson, and put the failure-of-a-mayor back in office, where he <gasp!!!> again failed the people, for which he is now under investigation...he wouldn't have been in a position to <potentially> commit these criminal acts and screw the people if he had been properly and openly blamed for his failures, and the people had learned their lesson that he is a suck-wad.

So the FAILURE to properly place blame on Nagin caused further harm down the road *to the same people*.

Totally agree oscarjd74. People not giving a shit about doing their job will be the downfall of civilization. Levee inspectors, crime labs, health inspectors, people just "phoning it in" as if what they were doing *didn't matter.* Dang.

tendmote - you just assigned blame to individuals not doing their jobs. oscar seems to think that assigning blame is bad -- so in fact you totally disagree with oscar.

"assigning blame over failed disaster management"

He's eschewing a specific type of blame. LEARN TO READ, CRELLIN.

Reading capabilities

tendmote - krellin : 1 - 0

oscar - you complete and utter inability to convey the thoughts you wish to convey is the real culprit here.

So, to play the blame game...that is the fault of First, you parents; second, your pathetic public school education; three YOU, naturally.

Even you ability to convey a score "tendmote - krellin : 1 - 0 " is written in Raterd-ese.

Try this:

tendmote: 0, Krellin: 1 <--- This would be the more conventional way to express this information, asswad -- the way everyone in the would EXCEPT you wold write it. That you fail in this most-simple of tasks is indicative of your inability to express thought across the board.

And...of course....you make you dumbass comment, without clarifying...so let me clarify for you:

Your retarded assertion that there would be no disaster management necessary if only they had fixed the levees "and shit" (such an articulate boy...) is misguided and moronic. I don't even know where to begin in tearing your pathetic argument on this one....your childish assertion that there would be no damage, no need for disaster management, etc is just stupid.

Get a clue, assclown -- do a little research on hurricanes, and see how much damage they can do...we'll rephrase that as how much of a disaster they can create...even without the levees "and shit" failing.

My reading skills are just fine, assclown, even given your pathetic inability to articulate your thoughts clearly. what *is* clearly at fault - as is the case most times you vomit your thoughts - is your gross misunderstanding of the world around you.

And tendmote - you moronic assclown - "eschewing a specific type of blame"...

Oh good lord...sorry, he's actually saying that there would have been NO blame, period if they had fixed the levees "and shit"....which of course is childish thinking. So no, he's not saying don't assign specific blame...he's saying if things had been done right there woudl be no blame, period.

So the high irony here is that tendmote has completely misunderstood oscar. Oscar then fails to understand how tendmote misunderstood him...making BOTH of you look like complete morons.....

and tendmote, not assigning "a specfici type of blame"...ie. falling back to your generalized group blame...is feel-good Libtardisn in the highest and most dangerous form. Oh god forbid we assign specific blame so we can study a problem and learn the root causes of a disaster...yes, let's all group hug and have group blame, so nothign can be learned. We'll still be stupid....but we'll feel stupid together.

YAY for Libtardism!!!

"Oh god forbid we assign specific blame so we can study a problem and learn the root causes of a disaster...yes, let's all group hug and have group blame, so nothign can be learned."

To assign blame is not at all the same thing as to "study a problem and learn the root causes". You are yourself an example of someone who assigns blame just fine without and study or learning. You just point to whichever Democrats are standing closest to the problem and blame them in witch hunt style.

If you had actually studied the problem you would not have said:

" Of course, there is blame to be placed, even if you are pointing at the levees "and shit", as the federal government had provided funding for the levees "and shit" to be upgraded years and years before but...<wait for it...> corrupt Democrats running the state never seemed to get around to actually, you know, fixing up the levees "and shit"."

Instead you would have known that the levee failures were due to a faulty levee design. The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers is responsible for the design and construction of levees. They are a federal agency. Therefore the "corrupt Democrats running the state" had nothing to do with it.

You're a hopeless idiot krellin, a rabidly emotional partisan single-minded idiot, incapable of rational thought.