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21 Oct 08 UTC

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Monetization via distributed processing ?

After the trial a week ago distributed processing seems to be a potentially effective way to monetize the site without irritating ads or premium accounts. It's not as lucrative, but it is better and more consistent than donations, and it would still provide an incentive for me to work on the more mundane coding which I'm otherwise not interested in

I think most people would gladly trade some (otherwise unused) CPU usage while playing to see further development on the site (and perhaps leave their browsers open as an alternative to direct donation).
But I'd like to hear from those who experienced crashes a week ago, it was the only negative aspect of the trial and it seemed to only be a small subset of Firefox 3.0.1 users, so hopefully it can be resolved and I can go ahead with it

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Churchill (2280

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Why was Good Times-2 drawn?

Not all of the players voted for a draw, and now I have received less points than I paid to buy-into the game.
Could a Moderator/Administrator explain and possibly rectify the situation?

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diegobarcos (1520

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29 Oct 08 UTC

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Maggie Simpson - 250p game

Hello all. I just created a 250 point / 36 hour game. Feel free to join.

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PirateJack (400

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25 Oct 08 UTC

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Suicide bombing as a method of revenge: Good or Bad?

Message down below >_>.

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blahblab78 (100

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29 Oct 08 UTC

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an easy game of diplomacy is under the name blahblah

learning how to play and learn strategies, doesnt care if wins just wants to learn how one wins

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EdiBirsan (1469

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Massive NMR's in -01 why do you punish yourselves this way?

I just looked at the open games and found two that stand out with 3 or 4 countries that did not move in 1901. Why are you all remaining people playing these games? Call for a draw and end the misery. It is not Diplomacy if you do not have 7 active players.

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Spell of Wheels (4896

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29 Oct 08 UTC

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Blue Danube

52 points to join....36 hour turns....PPSC.
Need 4 more!

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maintgallant (100

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27 Oct 08 UTC

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Rules Download

New to the game and the site... where do I download a complete set of rules? The obvious ones I get, but the more remote ones I'm having trouble with. For instance, if I make an attack out of a country, can an army retreat into it from if dislodged out of another area (not where the attack is directed)? Is my support to a third country cut when the army attacking me is dislodged?

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28 Oct 08 UTC

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To Linux users:

They're giving out free copies of Crossover Office today, fyi

http://lameduck.codeweavers.com/

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Otto Von Bismark (653

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27 Oct 08 UTC

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500 Point Buy in Game

Ok lets try this better to find people who want in. Who is in?

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28 Oct 08 UTC

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New 20-pt game: Here I Stand

Join! =)

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defiant1214 (100

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28 Oct 08 UTC

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Joining Mistake Quesiton

Any way to quit a game you joined by mistake before it starts?

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TheMasterGamer (3491

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27 Oct 08 UTC

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@moderators or Kestas

I took over a cd in game http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=6148 only to find that all the other players had voted for a draw in a paused game. What are our options now? If I allow the game to be drawn, what is my return on my investment in points? Might I be permitted to be removed from the game, as if I had never joined, so that I do not take a "draw"?

TheGhostmaker (1545 )
27 Oct 08 UTC

If you draw, you will break even.

spyman (424 )
27 Oct 08 UTC

The game in question was ruined by a multi-accounter. After he was expelled the remaining players voted to draw, which was then passed by the system. I think the only reason TheMasterGamer was able to join was that it was still paused.

TheMasterGamer (3491 )
27 Oct 08 UTC

@TheGhostmaker, don't you received 1/nth of the pot where n is the number of remaining players? I joined for 60. The pot is 276. There are 6 players remaining.

TheGhostmaker (1545 )
27 Oct 08 UTC

true, sorry, its that you break even if you finish with the same SC count, my mistake.

TheMasterGamer (3491 )
27 Oct 08 UTC

Same sc count as what? As we have not moved, I would end up with the same sc count as I started with.

figlesquidge (2131 )
27 Oct 08 UTC

You will have lost out slightly, as you pay for what the SC's are worth at that minute. However,once the funds for you joining have been added to the pot it is obviously worth less

stratagos (3269 )
27 Oct 08 UTC

I'd suggest a change to the 'cheating scum' protocols - kick out the cheaters, but give the people currently in the game 24 hours to decide if they want to draw, or just /unpause and pound on the CD player(s) without giving someone else a chance to step in and grab a superior spot.

Since both /draw and /unpause need to be unanimous, it would require consensus for any actions, and would prevent this kind of thing from happening as often. I also wonder if it wouldn't be useful to allow global press to be visible to everyone, not just those playing.

I'm also going to take a net point loss on this game, but it's hard to blame the players who have been victimized from wanting a fresh start

EdiBirsan (1469 )
27 Oct 08 UTC

I am a little confused on the sequence of events that seem contradictory to me, but maybe I am missing something or there is a bug:

1. A draw vote requires a unanimous vote
2. CD powers do not vote
3. If the draw passed it had to be before the CD power was replaced
4. The game is over when the draw passes
5. therefore the player should NOT have been able to join the game
so either there is a BUG somewhere or I am missing something.

dangermouse (5551 )
27 Oct 08 UTC

As Edi says, either someone did not vote for the draw before you took over or we've got a bug.

TheMasterGamer (3491 )
27 Oct 08 UTC

Sequence:
1. Boot multi-accounters
2. Multi-accounter nations are placed in cd
3. Mods paused the game
4. Draw vote happens while game is paused and passes, but cannot be attacked upon until the game is unpaused.
5. While game is paused, someone may take over a cd nation.
6. The trouble with tribbles and the position we now find ourselves in.

stratagos (3269 )
27 Oct 08 UTC

The draw vote was complete; the game was still in the process of being unpaused. I personally think the draw should trump the pause, but that's me

TheMasterGamer (3491 )
27 Oct 08 UTC

As it stands now, it effectively takes several things at once for Edi's vision to take place.
1. all remaining players need to carrying on with diplomacy
2. all remaining players need to get normal orders in
3. all remaining players need to vote draw
4. all remaining players need to vote unpause
5. everyone has to hope that while 1 through 4 are going on no one else joins the game
6. everyone has to hope that the last player to unpause did also vote for a draw and not just continue the game

ldrut (674 )
27 Oct 08 UTC

Figlesquidge, I've been corrected on this one and verified it. The cost to join is based on the size of the pot *after* you join, not before (or the number of non-SC centers before you join, I think that is the same thing). If you join and the game immediately ends by a victory on someone's part, you break even.

Of course we are talking a draw, so that does not apply here. In that case, if you joined with less than sc/n (sc=# of SCs controlled by non-CD powers after you join, n=# of non-CD Players after you join) you gain, more you lose.

dangermouse (5551 )
27 Oct 08 UTC

Hmm, that is a code issue that should be addressed, if a draw is unanimously voted for, it should process - even if the game is paused.

I can draw the game now for you, can I get some confirmation from the rest of the players that they still want it?

TheMasterGamer (3491 )
27 Oct 08 UTC

It is likely that we will need to have a "locked" game setting that the mods can set when they need to do what they did and a corresponding "unlock" by vote . Thus allowing time for the remaining players to decide what they want to do without allowing another player to enter the game.

TheMasterGamer (3491 )
27 Oct 08 UTC

@Dangermouse
First, I am asking if there is a way to remove me from the game as if I had never joined it prior to you manually drawing it. Statagos may desire the same thing.

Plus one of the original players who was hurt by the multi-account situation, Italy, is still in the game, but without any sc's. Will he be eliminated if we draw the game and thus not receive his fair share? What can we do for him if this is so?

kestasjk (64 )
27 Oct 08 UTC

A draw should go forward regardless of whether or not its paused, and draws split points equally among all surviving players. If Italy isn't yet defeated they're a surviving player

When you take over a country you pay the amount that the units are worth, however in a draw you don't get paid what your units are worth you get paid an even split so you may lose out or benefit

TheMasterGamer (3491 )
27 Oct 08 UTC

@kestasjk,
Either the game does not actually go forward with a draw while the game is paused or I happened to have joined within the 5 minutes the cron job timer uses to execute the orders.

stratagos (3269 )
27 Oct 08 UTC

Kestas, in the game in question, I joined (taking the first of two CD accounts), but agreed with the group that a draw was the only fair solution. We had completed the draw, received the "your game will end in five minutes message", but nothing happened. We then began the process of unpausing the game, thinking that was the issue, but MasterGamer joined before that process was complete. I believe that he is now waiting to see if he can be removed - if not, I assume he'll unpause and (probably) draw.

If I can be easily removed, great. If I can't, I'll eat the point differential. I think I'll be down about 20 points, but that just motivates me to kick butt in other games to get it back.

TheMasterGamer (3491 )
27 Oct 08 UTC

@kestasjk,
"When you take over a country you pay the amount that the units are worth, however in a draw you don't get paid what your units are worth you get paid an even split so you may lose out or benefit".

I did not find an explanation of this "worth" determination in the FAQ. Can you explain it and possibly add it to the points section of the FAQ?

stratagos (3269 )
27 Oct 08 UTC

I think it works like this:

Joining an existing game = current pot / # of claimed SC (up to 34) multiplied by # of SCs of the person you're taking over.

IE: 1000 point pot / 34 = 29 PPSC. If you take over someone with three SCs, you'd pay 87. The pot would then be 1087, and each SC would be worth 32 points at the end game.

TheMasterGamer (3491 )
28 Oct 08 UTC

bump

stratagos (3269 )
28 Oct 08 UTC

Hi Mods, can we get a decision on this, one way or another, so we can wrap it up?

dangermouse (5551 )
28 Oct 08 UTC

It may be possible for kestas to manually pull MasterGamer out of the game, but we mods cannot do anything about it. So unless you hear from kestas, and I suggest you email him, then your only option is draw.

kestasjk (64 )
28 Oct 08 UTC

Okay 1 sec

scaael04 (100 )
28 Oct 08 UTC

Thanks for sorting this out guys :)

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Cuchulainn (100

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28 Oct 08 UTC

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Password Change

Is it possible to change your password?

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18 Oct 08 UTC

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The American Empire...

I feel always more interested in using this Forum for non-dip conversations... I wonder how strange other folks see that. Anyway, here we go.

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28 Oct 08 UTC

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Timestamps

A question and 2 proposals - see first comment.

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SlkySmoothOtter (969

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26 Oct 08 UTC

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Cheaters

In a recently initiated game (Good times-2), 5 accounts were made and joined a 100 point game all together and all within one hour of each other. Additionally, they all submitted and finalized orders within this same hour and all appear to be working toward the two countries not controlled by the suspected owner of the 5. If you look at england's opening in particular, the move to Clyde seems odd.

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lazysummer8484 (0

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27 Oct 08 UTC

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Quick question

Suppose you have a fleet in the Mid-Alantic and another fleet down in Spain's south coast.... is it still possible to support hold each other ?

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TheGhostmaker (1545

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27 Oct 08 UTC

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@ mac

Can you send me an email if you want to play in the league still? There may be a place forming in League A

Thank you

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25 Oct 08 UTC

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Metagamers

So what are we supposed to do about them. Do we name and shame them?

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Churchill (2280

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27 Oct 08 UTC

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Rescuable Game

The game is paused, so no-one starts in a CD position.
It is a high buy-in, but as the points are added to the pot, you stand to make a significant profit.

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25 Oct 08 UTC

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End of Game Etiquette...

A purely hypothetical question: Is it against the point of the Diplomacy game to be gracious to someone who is about to get defeated from a game in what is obviously the last moves?

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EmperorPalpatine (380

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26 Oct 08 UTC

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Any proud gay players in the house?

=)

Yay to diversity!

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24 Oct 08 UTC

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please can i be france again!

even england would do!

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27 Oct 08 UTC

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Account change notice....

This is just a quick notice that I'm planning on killing my yahoo mail account. This means that I would like to open a new account on this site using a different email/password. I will not be joining any single game with both accounts and I plan to let the games on my yahoo associated account wind down before I switch.

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26 Oct 08 UTC

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Top 20 countries based on....

Top 20 countries based on how long they have lived peacefully without going to war.

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06 Oct 08 UTC

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Dow jones fell 500

below the 10,000 mark now.

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EdiBirsan (1469

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27 Oct 08 UTC

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Stand By/Baby sitting/how does it work here?

If a player is going to be out of net reach for a vacation or some illness, how does the stand by/temporary player work here?

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Sioraf as Killeens (195

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27 Oct 08 UTC

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Is this racist?

I think it's just for a laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhXaFUlTwm0&NR=1

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27 Oct 08 UTC

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Quickie for Practice

Just opened a new game (12 hour rounds) for some more practice:
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=6406

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