Perhaps I really want draw, but we need negociate the terms of the tie (i.e. how many SC for each player?)

Uh oh, did Kestas draw the game without getting the OK from all players?

Exactly, but from chat box all player agreed. So it does not matter really.
Actually dear csibadajoz, It is to your advantage since you had less SCs.
I got 10 points out of the total 40. How many have the other 2 players got?

I got 13, I think. Does anybody know how is the sharing of points?

The chat box is 'in' the game, the o.k. to draw a game must be 'out' of the game, I think. Speaking to players I can be agree only to speak and to attempt to distract other players.... the game is about that, and about stabs.... I can be agree with draw, but perhaps I want wait until winter, just to take some SC more....

I think Kestas should ask to all players personality to draw, or make a similar mechanism to do that.

What I dont understand is, according to player fwancophile, he got 13 points.
His plus mine add up to a total of 23.
What happened the remaining 17?
Have they went all to the 3rd players with less SCs ??

Sorry csibadajoz i did not see your reply.
fwancophile:13
csibadajoz:13
S_MaRt: 10
I'm sorry but this does not add up to the total 40.
Why would I get less ??

i don't mean to be too flippant or anything but since this is a thread about a draw in a low stakes game, i just want to say that i am super pissed that in 13 of the 15 most recent games i have played, i have drawn austria & russia.

If you say to another player you're happy with a draw I'll take that as meaning you're happy with a draw, until there's a mechanism for drawing without admin intervention.

On a draw the points are split equally among all surviving players. I figured that since it's an agreed draw that means players agree that there is no winner and no-one is ahead.
This is something I will probably change in the future, because it would probably be better to split it according to who has the most supply centers.


On getting Austria & Russia 13 out of 15 of the most recent games, that's bad luck, PHP's shuffle function should definitely be random enough to not cause you to get the same country more than you should. When so many people register for games every now and then people are bound to get weird patterns appear that don't seem to be due to chance
Personally I've had a pretty equal share of all the countries

its okay, i mean, its not the end of the world. and i am sure that some would be very happy with russia or austria. just not me - but whatever, maybe i'll never draw them again down the line ;)

kestasjk, I agreed to the tie so I'm not complaining. The 3 way equal split is ok with me. I thought I had got 10 points when in fact, after a re-counting.. I really got 13.
13.33 points each... where's my 0.33 point ? just kidding :)

9 out of 10 face to face Diplomacy in a face to face game end in a draw. Also I have been getting the same country in streaks, like now my last 3 games are England. The same has happen with Austria, Russia and Turkey. Plus I have not gotten France to date(I did take France over once).

I strongly disagree that the number of SCs controlled should affect the points in a draw. If the stronger countries feel that they don't really want to share equally in a draw, they should endeavor to win the game. The published rules are pretty clear that all survivors share equally in any draw, and that should extend to points as well.

Agreed Wooble. If players all agree to a draw then the point distribution must be equal, regardless of SDs currently controlled.

I am agree with almost all... except "If you say to another player you're happy with a draw". Maybe I am lieing (or bluffing), the game is about that, isn't it?

In other orden, I can tell to a player I am happy with a draw, but not in that moment given, or when player X were eliminated.... or when player X admit hi is a 'dizzy duck'....

kestas, can we implement a 'i am a dizzy duck' button?

I'd prefer a 'lloopy llama' button, personally.

csibadajoz: I can see lying about just about everything in the game, but about wether or not to end it? Are you thinking that you can trick them into thinking the game is over and steal all the SDs when their backs are turned? They will keep playing until the GameMaster tells them it's over. Lying about wanting a draw doesn't serve any useful purpose.

TeutonicPlague: I don't think that exactily, but in the negociatons of some moves, this acctitude can have some influence. Of course you can lie about when the game will end, why not? Perhaps 'mislead' is a better word than 'lie'.

No, I think 'lie' is pretty appropriate. Misleading would be to say "I think a draw could be a good idea." To say "I want a draw," when you don't, is a lie.

Perhaps an 'I'm tired of the game too" attitude can have an effect on your opponent. However, the way I see it, when you say you want a draw, you are no longer negotiating moves, you are negotiating the end of the game. Just because you're tired of the game doesn't mean you're going to stop making good moves.

I just would like to agree with Wooble and Dangermouse about point sharing. I have drawn a game where I controlled 11 SCs and received same points as my allied country who had 3 SCs. After first negative impression, I realized that this was deeply right; if I complain with this sharing, I just have to take risk and go on playing, not agreeing on a draw. Draw is sort of giving up for countries that have a relatively large number of SCs. Equal sharing is a disincentive to doing that.
As for draw requests, it might work as follows: one of the surviving players posts a draw request on the forum and all the others explictly join in the thread and accept the draw.

hi! i think that on the other sites which support draws there are anonymous votes for it