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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
14 Aug 17 UTC
WebDip World Cup Results
The last game is in the books and we have a winner!
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Condescension (10 D)
20 Aug 17 UTC
This'd be against the multi rules but I'm guessing the mods might make an exception.
VillageIdiot (7813 D)
22 Aug 17 UTC
Leagues are where i hit my limits, that's just meta taken to a way too extreme level. Play the same six people in four back-to-back-to-back-to-back games?

Just kill me now.
VillageIdiot (7813 D)
22 Aug 17 UTC
I've always been a play-the-player kinda strategist so i totally get off on the meta aspect of it. I like the player identify cracking and doing homework on our competition, had fun with working the numbers to help us adjust our goals as the situation changed, and even enjoyed helping architect the complicated meta strategy at the cross game level to ensure we navigated our team tempo correctly so that our meta target was as conservative as we could make it. No easy task. Events in one game were regularly rippling over into other games as players teammates get eliminated and add additional pressure on them or solos cause other players to start dragging their feet towards draws. I've little doubt some game pauses were used for purposes of dragging out a game or delaying a revealing of a games winner.

It's very complex and sophisticated if you fully embrace it, and I loved every second of it.
"I've little doubt some game pauses were used for purposes of dragging out a game"

Guilty as charged
My team didn't really know the identities of many in the Finals, so I wanted to wait and see what exactly my neighbors were playing for
maddotter (830 D)
22 Aug 17 UTC
Game pauses being used for metagame purposes is terrible. A pause disrupts the flow of the game and should really only happen when someone has a legitimate unforeseen emergency. That's the sort of rules abuse that makes me not want to play in this tournament again. I don't remember the details, but I'm fairly certain it happened in my game.

The point of the tournament should be to test people's ability to play Diplomacy, not their ability to manipulate an honor code or a particular online technology. If that's what you want, then be forthright and call it the World Cup of Diplomacy, Online Sleuthing, and Strategic Inconveniencing.
VillageIdiot (7813 D)
22 Aug 17 UTC
Understood, not everybody embraced it and for some it may have became a point of frustration or a crutch blame their failure on. The reality is the high level meta is for the most part only a difference maker as you neared the end of the tournament, for every game along the way it still came down to the best players winning.

If you walk into a team based tournament and tried to play your game in a silo then you simply missed the point and in my opinion missed out on a very interesting aspect of this tournament.
@maddotter - each person gets one no-questions-asked guaranteed pause. And no-questions-asked means exactly that. If they use it for meta purposes, they're taking a gamble that they won't need to use it for real. For me, it ended up being a welcome break in the middle of a 7 month long game, and didn't affect very much, besides preventing me from burning out.

But VI is absolutely right, and it's what I tried to explain to everyone in the Group Stage: meta isn't a difference maker until the very end of the tournament, after most games are finished or nearing finish. So if you just speed through your game each round, there's essentially no meta in your tournament experience. The only thing I will try and find a fix to is making it harder for people to identify each other in the games. But that's hard on a site where people know each other's playing styles.....and professions (like Balki dropping he was a lawyer in 1902)
A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
22 Aug 17 UTC
I wonder if it's possible to design the tournament so that identity detection doesn't help? One possibility is to have the team-membership be the anonymous bit, rather than who is in which game.
ghug (5068 D(B))
22 Aug 17 UTC
That would fall apart once we got to the finals (before really, because a lot of people know each other). It would also make it significantly harder to organize teams.
VillageIdiot (7813 D)
22 Aug 17 UTC
Is it that even that needed? Our team had all the meta heat on us in the world and still seemed to do ok, same with Team California in 2012 which was also full of heat magnets. I had no indications that anybody less then the best teams had made it to the finals and the quality line was very high and every year.

What's broke that we're looking to fix?
maddotter (830 D)
22 Aug 17 UTC
It really depends on what you want the tournament to be. At the moment it's largely a competition among Webdip insiders, who have advantages for technical reasons as well as a culture that accepts things like a strategic week-long pause (in the game I played, this happened after just one week of play). If you want to expand the tournament, to attract *and retain* more casual players or ftf-ers, then you need to find ways to keep the tournament from feeling like an insiders club.
VillageIdiot (7813 D)
23 Aug 17 UTC
I'm sorry to have to say it, but these sound like you're trying to justify a bad result. There's benefits to be had by understanding and playing the meta, but it wasn't at your game level or the way in which you're attempting to infer. I may be different as i tend to homework my enemies, but for most people knowing who's sitting across from you won't make much difference it's really just about that final tournament stretch. At that point, you make up your own team so i can only recommend that being the nature of this tournament as it is that you find one person from Chicago who has some home field familiarity to round out your squad. Not everybody on our team did, one of the guys on our team has only ever played 7 press games on this site before this tournament.

WebDip gets by on it's more then enough merits, it really doesn't need to bend to such an extent to 'retain' casual players who feel the world doesn't cater enough to them. For guests and FTF'ers, we have speciality tournaments (ODC) to accommodate that crowd if this doesn't feel suited. There's more then enough interest in this and in my opinion i believe it's one of the more well thought out and interesting online tournaments out there. WebDip tends to really do a good job with the tournaments.


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chluke (12292 D(G))
22 Aug 17 UTC
2015 Gunboat tournament results?
Who ran the 2015 Gunboat tournament? Would love to see the final scoring table here:

http://tournaments.webdiplomacy.net/gunboat-tournament
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brainbomb (290 D)
20 Aug 17 UTC
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Steaks Diplomacy Game
Would anyone be interested in a -whoever wins grills- steaks diplomacy game? The notion is that we'd all have a potluck some amount of roasted veggies on a grill, and some ribeyes. We go to a ftf party, then get naked.
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Maltir (125 D)
22 Aug 17 UTC
Length of Time
What is the average amount of rounds/years of one game of Diplomacy?
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Maltir (125 D)
22 Aug 17 UTC
Bounce vs DMZ
What are the advantages and disadvantages of a bounce? Same question with a DMZ.
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Oztra (30 DX)
20 Aug 17 UTC
What are the best threads over the past few years that people have had
e.g. funny ones
submit my own
http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?threadID=1417318&page-thread=1#threadPager
did that one myself heheh
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Need 1 more for a live game!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=205021
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captainmeme (1723 DMod)
21 Aug 17 UTC
Age of Empires IV Announced!
https://youtu.be/RYwZ6GZXWhA

No gameplay footage, but I'm still hyped already :)
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jengamaster (2132 D)
21 Aug 17 UTC
How abusive are you comfortable getting in your diplomacy?
I know flies with honey and vinegar and all that. But how fall are you willing to take it to accomplish your diplomatic aims?
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captainmeme (1723 DMod)
10 Jul 17 UTC
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Petition to Introduce Chaos
Attempt #2. Let's get Chaos available to play on this site!
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
19 Aug 17 UTC
Fortnite
A new Zombie killing/fort building FPS. A little heavy on the P2W aspect, but worth checking out, imho. I have a couple extra copies; PM me if you want one.
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wpfieps (442 D)
20 Aug 17 UTC
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Stakes Diplomacy Game
Would anyone be interested in a tent stakes diplomacy game? The notion is that we'd all chicken-wire together some tarps into a tent sitting in the backyard of a trusted party, and fasten it to the ground with tent stakes. The pay-out is that if you solo, everybody else has to sleep out in it at the end of the game, with Krellin visiting the tent to wake y'all up every morning.
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captainmeme (1723 DMod)
28 Jul 17 UTC
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Dramatic scenes as unprecedented movement occurs in webDip's longest running game
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Scrub (198 D)
20 Aug 17 UTC
Just a thought
I just had a thought on a game where you can't support any of your moves (including support holds). I was thinking this would encourage alliances more and just make for an interesting game

For anyone who's interested here's the info gameID=204910
Password: manofmyword
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DeeEnAye (100 D)
19 Aug 17 UTC
Has there been an actual WW1 simulation/approximation of Diplomacy?
Meaning orders & outcomes that best represent the events of WW1, which I assume would result in some sort of draw in the end, beginning either 1901 or 1914? I'm sure it's been done, but I'm a curious newbie.

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Condescension (10 D)
20 Aug 17 UTC
Stakes Diplomacy Game
Would anyone be interested in a cash stakes diplomacy game? The notion is that we'd all wire some amount of money to a trusted party, who would pay it out according to DSS at the end of the game.
2 replies
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Condescension (10 D)
20 Aug 17 UTC
Stakes Diplomacy Game
Would anyone be interested in a cash stakes diplomacy game? The notion is that we'd all wire some amount of money to a trusted party, who would pay it out according to DSS at the end of the game.
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JamesYanik (548 D)
20 Aug 17 UTC
Premier League 2017/18
Predictions and thoughts so far
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Gezirah (107 D)
20 Aug 17 UTC
How do I find my game ID
This interface is a little confusing and outdated. Can anyone tell me how to even locate my private game's ID?
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Enriador (100 D)
18 Aug 17 UTC
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What is this forum about?
Hello guys,

So, I have been browsing the forum a little, but it seems to be more like a Reddit forum where one can throw up anything they want to rather than
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Ogion (3882 D)
17 Aug 17 UTC
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It is not OK to punch ISIS and Al qaeda members
If ISIS and Al Qaeda wanted to hold a march calling for death to America and a fundamentalist caliphate to take over the US then any who attack them or inhibit their right to free speech are evil violent people

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DealMerchant (911 D)
19 Aug 17 UTC
What do you all think about Faustian stories?
Diplomacy is a great playground for turning on friends for personal advantage, and I'm pretty sure everybody might compromise their held virtues for a little harmless gain in most places of their lives. Do you all think Faustian narratives are on point the more we all trod into the great 21st century, or is the devil obsolete and unversed in the digital age?
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MrcsAurelius (3051 D(B))
17 Jul 17 UTC
Better be feared than loved, if you cannot be both
Setting up what hopefully will be a nice classic game. Would like to keep it GR 100ish, to ensure quality and reliability.
71 replies
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teh_duke (814 D)
19 Aug 17 UTC
technical issues
anyone else having technical issues with the site at the moment? i cant put in orders and more often than not the site wouldnt even load or refresh
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michael_b (192 D)
19 Aug 17 UTC
"New Game" page needs correction.
When creating a game and selecting the pre-phase length, the description says up to 5 days but the dropdown gives only up to 2.5 days.
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
16 Aug 17 UTC
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Forum rule reminders
See inside.
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VashtaNeurotic (2394 D)
18 Aug 17 UTC
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Bannon is Out
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/politics/steve-bannon-white-house/index.html
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Lord Bolton (384 D)
09 Aug 17 UTC
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Leaving the grey arrow
Is there any bigger asshole than the guy who's doomed to defeat and puts in his moves with a grey arrow so that everyone has to wait a day or more each phase? Of course everyone goes out of town sometimes or is unable to get to the site for some reason, but someone who does it faithfully every turn should be banned. It's the behavior of a crybaby.
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Durga (3609 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
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Daily Trump News Thread
Instead of having 17 threads each time he does something new, let's have this one so anyone that doesn't want to deal with Trump can just mute it! (ps is it possible to self mute?)
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ND (879 D)
18 Aug 17 UTC
George Washington
Should statues of George Washington be taken down? This is being debated in Chicago.
https://youtu.be/1t96yjrZRrk
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