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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
30 Jan 17 UTC
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Petition to ban petitions
1. Chaqa
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Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
30 Jan 17 UTC
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Petition to ban petitions to ban petitions, but permit all others that are not spammy
1. Jamiet99uk
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brainbomb (295 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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Unprecedented silencing of EPA, USDA, what is next
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?
Our national parks are being blocked from posting climate change data? The USDA, EPA are being bullied? What is this gestapo fucking horse shot?
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Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
Link, Brad?
TrPrado (461 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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I don't recall government Twitter accounts existing prior to Obama.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
25 Jan 17 UTC
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The internet seems unsure on this point.

Unlike the suggestion that not reporting data to the public is a violation of the EPA's ethics policy. (Spend tax payers money to do science = required ethically to share data with public... This has been something of a victory of recent decades)
Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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Anyone seen the fuss over Shia LeBeouf vs some idiot Nazi Trumper?

If you missed it, Shia LaBeouf was involved in an anti-Trump protest which he ws streaming live over the internet. During this, some asshole white supremacist wearing a Hitler Youth cap and shouting fascist slogans interrupted them. Shia got kinda cross with him. Well, you would, right?

The clip of this incident started getting shared all over the place. But of course, the sympathy of Trump supporters has predictably been directed towards the outright fascist, and not the Jewish man who got angry with him.

In the United States of Trump we now have a situation where a Jew who gets angry with a Nazi is considered to be a hateful and "retarded" bully to be scorned and attacked, and the Nazi is the poor innocent victim. FFS.
CAPT Brad (40 DX)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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jamiet, i will get it as soon as the NY Times website comes back up
Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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HAS TRUMP SILENCED THE NY TIMES WEBSITE AS WELL??? IS NOTHING SACRED???
CAPT Brad (40 DX)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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Longtime employees at three of the agencies — including some career environmental regulators who conceded that they remained worried about what President Trump might do on policy matters — said such orders were not much different from those delivered by the Obama administration as it shifted policies from the departing White House of George W. Bush. They called reactions to the agency memos overblown.
“I’ve lived through many transitions, and I don’t think this is a story,” said a senior E.P.A. career official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the news media on the matter. “I don’t think it’s fair to call it a gag order. This is standard practice. And the move with regard to the grants, when a new administration comes in, you run things by them before you update the website.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/us/politics/some-agencies-told-to-halt-communications-as-trump-administration-moves-in.html?ref=politics&_r=0
Deeply_Dippy (458 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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That EPA Official would make an excellent Diplomacy player.

Maybe they already are? Come on, own up. Who is it?
CAPT Brad (40 DX)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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calm down jamiet, go get some play doh and grab a cocoa
Randomizer (722 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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Let's reduce regulations and go back to the era of mine collapses, black lung disease for miners, acid raid, and other problems that the government stopped or reduced. We don't need the government making us safe from businesses making profits over worker and public safety. Let's become just like polluted China again.

If you don't like move some where that isn't down wind of the US and China.
CAPT Brad (40 DX)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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wow! that's extreme. let's just horriblize every outcome and possibility. such heavy contrasting. you know black and white thinking is a sign of mental disease
Manwe Sulimo (419 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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"@ reasonable claims: "
If you want to make the argument for using solar on the basis that it is better for the environment, have at it. But it in no way makes more economic sense to be using it instead of cheaper traditional sources of energy. Just think about it, wouldn't utilities be using solar instead to increase their own profits if it was cheaper since the cost of their product would be less?"

That may well be so (i haven't looked at the data on how cost effective pv has become) BUT there is still an economic incentive for investing in it. If you look at the long/medium term. You actually want the US to be able to produce cheap solar power. Otherwie China will become the largest global producer of photovoltaics and will generate wealth of the future.

How you get sufficient investment may be a harder question. Government subsidies, grants and tax breaks may encourage private research.

A carbon tax on oil/gas/coal may push the price of those polluting options up (if you don't like tax breaks etc.) - and this option doesn't force any particular reaearch option, it lets people who want to invest in research choose to try whatever they think will work best... (Plus no paper work)

Direct spending and investment by the government on new tech - which is pretty much what the pentagon does for new military tech - would drive the economy, as it has done for years.

I would argue the sound environmental reasoning, but the like of ND don't care. So here is the good economics of this medium to lon term planning."

How production of goods and services work is that the world is best off when the country that has the comparative advantage in a good or service produces that service. We all are citizens of the same world, and we all can interact with each other to obtain what we want, that's what trade is. When each country specializes in what it is good at, we are all collectively able to produce and consume way more than if we all tried to manufacture the same things. Of course this simplifies things a lot and there is more to why we trade and all that, but you get the point that China being number 1 in solar production is not a bad thing. If they are the best at it, no big deal, we all benefit. That is also aside from the fact that companies around the world share technology with each other all the time, willingly or not, so we wouldn't be far behind China if they were to develop better technology first, there would just be a lag effect. This is why patents exist in the pharmaceutical industry, who in the world is going to spend a bunch of money to invest in new drugs if the next guy is just going to be able to copy you once you come up with something new at no cost to him/her?

The U.S. has the world's largest amount of coal reserves and we have the fifth largest amount of natural gas. We are also the best at producing coal at a cheap cost, the Powder River Basin in Wyoming and Montana is the cheapest coal producing region in the world. They are so good at producing coal effectively that they can mine it, ship it by rail to the east coast, and ship it by freight ship to Asia, and after paying for all of those costs still sell it at a profit for a lower price to Asian utilities than Asian coal companies can sell it for. We can produce the most electricity by using our abundant coal and gas resources and when technology develops to the point where solar is cheaper, I guarantee that will be the number 1 source of energy.

So, as far as our necessity for developing renewable energy technology goes and the government's role in doing that, it is purely a health and safety issue, specifically a carbon dioxide issue. Coal mining has become very good in terms of the health and safety of workers in the U.S. (not so much in other parts of the world), safer than natural gas I would say, but if CO2 emissions do have a significant effect on global warming (key word is significant, I don't think anyone doubts they at least have a negligible effect at minimum), then the government has an obligation to ensure they are not being emitted at dangerous levels for the safety of U.S. citizens as a whole. Unless you are advocating for a communist system in the U.S. where the government controls the means of production and is in charge of developing the economy, the health and safety of the population is the only legitimate reason for the government to limit fossil fuel use, and in that event I wouldn't even say they have the right to assist the renewable industries because doing so would be to redistribute wealth for a reason other than to prevent damage to the health and well being of its citizens which limiting CO2 emissions would have already done. It would then be up to the private sector to decide to make the switch to renewables with no form of government assistance or else we would just be limited on electricity for a while.

So, it all boils down to whether our health and safety is in danger because of CO2 emissions or not, that's really all there is to it.
Manwe Sulimo (419 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
Meant west coast^ shipping it to the east coast would be pretty inefficient lol
ishirkmywork (1401 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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it's official: white men are the problem. Luckily, we won't be in control too much longer.
Durga (3609 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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^^^ I like this person
CAPT Brad (40 DX)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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so we trade tyranny from white men to tyranny from others.
Non white dictators:
1. Robert Mugabe
2. Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong-Il, and now his son
3. Idi Amin Dada
4. Ho Chi Minh
5. Yakubu Gowon
6. Mengistu Haile Mariam
7. Omar al-Bashir
8. Pol Pot
9. Hideki Tojo
10. Mao Zedong
now if you want to just say end control by all men then you might have a point
ishirkmywork (1401 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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In this country white men have controlled wealth and power since the beginning. Now some of them are in an existential panic as we move closer to equality. In the end equality can only happen when those with the wealth and power choose to give some of it up rather than try to hold onto as much as they can. I, for one try to be intentional about choosing to have less and acknowledge others more. It's the only way for equality to happen peacefully.
eturnage (500 D(B))
25 Jan 17 UTC
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TrPrado : "Probably because private research wouldn't fund it."

On the contrary, the market is the greatest force in directing relevant research. The government corrupts by intervening and directing its direction. Look at the Internet. Think we would be where we are now if the government was directing the research?
CAPT Brad (40 DX)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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now if you want to just say end control by all men then you might have a point

however i recall liberals giving Margaret Thatcher a hard time (unjustly)
ishirkmywork (1401 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a52570/trump-voter-fraud-suppression/
An example of that existential panic
Yes capybaras we definitely need to take power away from all this native, African American, Latino and Asian men that have a vise grip on this country.
Smh.
ishirkmywork (1401 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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Interesting side note brad, autocorrect changes your handle to capybara. Kinda cute, huh?
CAPT Brad (40 DX)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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Careful, i belong to this group: native American, white man!
Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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You're a Native American, Brad?
CAPT Brad (40 DX)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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some of me does. i am far from 100% but i have that blood line among others
CAPT Brad (40 DX)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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and its not just 'folklore'; i was DNA tested and happily amazed that i was.
CAPT Brad (40 DX)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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i am about one eighth or the equivalent of a great-grandparent but it comes from both sides of my father's family. my aunts says probably Navajo but it could be Hopi or another group. In New Mexico where my father's family is from there was a lot of intermixing over the four centuries that part of my family lived there.
TrPrado (461 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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Private companies don't do research that wouldn't lead to profit. It comes down to money incentives, and I don't expect private entities to do this research without some guarantee of money from somewhere. SpaceX, for example, only exists because the government is willing to contract.
CAPT Brad (40 DX)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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no one does anything for free
TrPrado (461 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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Much more to the point than I was there :)
Lethologica (203 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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"On the contrary, the market is the greatest force in directing relevant research. The government corrupts by intervening and directing its direction. Look at the Internet."

Yeah, I'm looking at the child of ARPANET and the DoD protocol (sometimes known as TCP/IP) and the WWW (started at that noted for-profit corporation, CERN). Real fucking government corruption there.

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fiedler (1293 D)
21 Jan 17 UTC
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MAGA - what a great speech! Future looks bright.
Must be exciting to be an american today. Prosperity and optimism and winning are so much more fun than divisive bullying and globalist theft and war with russia. Plus Barron is hilarious. Glorious stuff! Good on you democracy.
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2ndWhiteLine (2736 D(B))
30 Jan 17 UTC
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Chat on mobile bug?
When I open the in-game messaging window on mobile (Chrome, iOS) my country messages have been "resetting" to a past (earlier) message spontaneously, forcing me to scroll down in the tiny chat window to read the latest message. Anyone else seeing this?
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brainbomb (295 D)
10 Jan 17 UTC
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9 days sober
I feel different. Alot different. My anxiety is not as bad. I dont feel super angry
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leon1122 (190 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
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Trump effort to defund sanctuary cities is a success!
Miami mayor has revoked the city's sanctuary status!

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article128984759.html
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yavuzovic (504 D)
29 Jan 17 UTC
Why I cannot create a Known World 901 game at the moment?
There is not choice. Could online players look at the game creator?
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Frothly (159 D)
29 Jan 17 UTC
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US judge temporarily halts deportations due to Trump's executive order
The ruling prevented the removal from the US of people with approved refugee applications, valid visas, and "other individuals... legally authorized to enter the United States".
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brainbomb (295 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
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Site feature request
I was wondering if one of the programmery type mods could go into the source code for my account, and create an auto mute for me for any thread that contains a letter string of "Tr".
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Condescension (10 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
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Hey, conservatives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

Literally everything you need to know about why your economic theory is bunk.
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ghug (5068 D(B))
03 Feb 15 UTC
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ADVERTISE YOUR LIVE GAMES HERE
Advertise your live games here and only here.
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captainmeme (1632 DMod)
26 Jan 17 UTC
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1v1 Showdown Stats
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DhYZtnNINPxREZGAVYY2vnFZtPPNmto180cUMNCJXfc/edit?usp=sharing

It's still very early on, but these will be updated as the 1v1 Showdown progresses.
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Chumbles (791 D(S))
27 Jan 17 UTC
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Feeling Crumpled and Trumpled?
Then send out your gunboats abd rule the world: No in-game messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring!

http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=189779
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
26 Jan 17 UTC
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Trump using police to steal candy from babies
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! We can't let this stand.

#NoCandyForBabyTrump
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dannystores (0 DX)
28 Jan 17 UTC
Apple iPhone 6S Plus – 64GB Unlocked == $500
Apple iPhone 6s Plus 128GB Unlocked == $520
Apple iPhone 6S Plus – 64GB Unlocked == $500
Apple iPhone 6S Plus – 16GB Unlocked == $470
Contact: jjconrow1(@)gmail.com
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Hauta (1618 D(S))
27 Jan 17 UTC
Is Trump manipulating foreign currency markets?
Trump makes announcements that affect the Mexican Peso (usually negatively) and yet his financials are a mystery. Is it possible that he is personally trading on the markets that he can influence so much or am I being paranoid?
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JamesYanik (548 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
DOOMSDAY IS HERE
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/science/doomsday-clock-countdown-2017.html?_r=0
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
26 Sep 16 UTC
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Announcing the 2016 WebDiplomacy World Cup!
Come one, come all! This storied tournament is a clash of nations, so gather your pride and some comrades in arms to show this site why YOUR Country/Region is better than the rest!
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WyattS14 (100 D(B))
27 Jan 17 UTC
Gun boat classic game 16 hour phases
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=190232
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brainbomb (295 D)
26 Jan 17 UTC
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THa Govarnment is full of Jipsees, Tramps and Theieves
Prasident Tramp plans to is ban abba, jipsees and all origami from entering America. #Freedom yo
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
26 Jan 17 UTC
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CIA and ongoing covil disturbance in the US...
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/25/seymour-hersh-blasts-media-for-uncritically-promoting-russian-hacking-story/

Tl;dr the CIA posted an opinion piece, the media incritically reported it as true.
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Yoyoyozo (95 D)
26 Jan 17 UTC
Yoyo live gunboat series.
Gunboat. 5min/phase. Every Sunday at 4pm CST. I'll post in this thread when a new game goes up, with in dept End of Game Analysis at the end, for open discussion. Post here or PM me to express interest.
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djnogueira (240 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
Last turn of a certain dead player can capture province?
Consider Autumn turn. A player has a single original supply center. His last unit is somewhere else.
His last supply center is captured. He will be dead when Fall begins. However, he is in a position where he can capture one of my many supply centers. Will I lose that supply center in the Fall if he moves to that providence?
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principians (881 D)
26 Jan 17 UTC
why is switzerland so rich?
First video in english of this channel, you might find it interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSLs5G4SPP4
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CAPT Brad (40 DX)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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Mary Tyler Moore, Who Incarnated the Modern Woman on TV, Dies at 80
She was fun, enlightening and interesting to watch
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
25 Jan 17 UTC
Lusthog time
It's lusthog time. 2 games this go, same as usual:
- Gunboat
- No draws until stalemate
- No NMR
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The Ambassador (129 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
Dip Directions?
In episode 11 of the Diplomacy Games podcast Kaner and I discussed longevity aspects and risk management of sites like webDip and vDip to ensure they grow and reduce the chances of going down (either technically speaking or perceptions of IP infringement). We said we'd create a thread for this for others to contribute. What do you reckon?
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Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
03 Jan 17 UTC
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MAFIA XXVI - GAME THREAD
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Flame (125 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
For Russian-speaking players
I still want to remind that russian-speaking players are also welcomed to Diplomail.Ru webdiplomacy server.
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