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orathaic (1009 D (B))
26 Jan 17 UTC
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CIA and ongoing covil disturbance in the US...
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/25/seymour-hersh-blasts-media-for-uncritically-promoting-russian-hacking-story/

Tl;dr the CIA posted an opinion piece, the media incritically reported it as true.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
26 Jan 17 UTC
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The CIA, known for misleading the public and breaking the law by being involved on US soil in the first place, appear to have it in for Trump.

By claiming (as was widely reported in the media) that his election backed by Russia, they stoked anti-Trump sentiment among the massive number of people who didn't vote for him. (Only 18% of the population, or 26% of the electorate, voted for Trump)

I have to presume the CIA know what they are doing, so what conclusion can i draw? That they fear Trump as commander-in-chief? That they want to see him removed from office asap?

So i predict further protests, potential assassination attempts, rioting, and if Trump is removed - by any means - massive civil unrest.

Do the CIA care? Who knows...
orathaic (1009 D (B))
26 Jan 17 UTC
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Journalists being arrested, this is not Trump's fault... The militarised police state was a problem under Obama. The BlackLivesMatter movement exists for a reason.

And today the freedom of the press is being infringed. Journalists who report on protests are getting the message that they will be charged with Felonies. And this is not a result of Trump (aka President fart) being in power. He didn't order the police force to be more fascist. But the success of the Trump campaign has emboldened fascistic elements across the board.

In positions of power, Republican Governors across the country.

The threat to the fourth estate, and Trumps ongoing squabble with the 'media' is a threat to America. To what the best ideals of America try* to stand for.

(See: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jan/24/journalists-charged-felonies-trump-inauguration-unrest )

*Even at its best, 'these truths are self-evident, that all men were created equal' - the US held some men as unequal slaves. And today, slavery is acceptable as a form of punishment for crime... And criminals are denied their right to vote. (Which has come up as an issue in the European court of Human Rights... The US doesn't lead the world in freedom and human rights issues, but at least you try!)
JEccles (421 D)
26 Jan 17 UTC
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I read a great article about journalism and activism. Basically, if you use your press pass to gain access to an event, you can't be an activist. Your press pass will not protect you if you are participating in the rioting, it only protects if you are an objective bystander. The investigation will bring out more, but some of these people claim to be "journalist activists", which is an oxi-moron.
SantaClausowitz (360 D)
26 Jan 17 UTC
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Ever the contrarian ora, you just can't help yourself. As our commander in chief would say. Sad. Your post is based on the false assumption and logical leap that the protests are based on Russian hacking. I severely doubt that. The protests are based on his statements and actions on minorities, his policy proposals that target them and democratic society and a host of other issues. Of course the hacking plays a small part, but if they wanted to stir up unrest, there would be many more efficient ways to do so.

It also is based on the false assumption that it is uncritically promoting the story. Something tells me that when the pig headed President goes into a meeting saying that their was no hacking, and comes out saying "their was but it was DNCs fault" that the intelligence community has their ducks in a row on this one.

Just more Ora contrarianism.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
26 Jan 17 UTC
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@"Your post is based on the false assumption and logical leap that the protests are based on Russian hacking" It is not. I am critical of those who use and abuse power. Whether they are Militarised police using violence against protesters, CIA lies trying to oust a president they don't like, or a President who scares me more than anything in US history. You realis he's got the power to order troops anywhere in the world, and he had a tantrum when the media reported that less people attended his inauguration
Look at this shit: nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/01/trump-aides-cant-stop-blabbing-about-how-hes-a-madman.html
orathaic (1009 D (B))
26 Jan 17 UTC
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But not everything is Trump's fault.

If you get sucked into the anti-Trump narrative, then you become more willing to let the wool be pulled over your eyes by the CIA, by the powers that oppose Trump, by the fascistic trend in American policing.

You might forgive the drone strike program that Obama ran, as 'well it is not as bad as what the Donald might do.'

I am critical of all.

SantaClausowitz (360 D)
26 Jan 17 UTC
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I completely agree with you that he is unfit for office. What I don't immediately agree with is that the CIA is attempting a coup. To me, it looks like they were legitimately attempting to convince him that Russia hacking into our federal government is a threat, and the idiot responded by attacking the intelligence community and bringing the feud into the public.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
26 Jan 17 UTC
I fear you credit the CIA with as a more friendly, happy go-lucky agency than i do.

Thoug Trumps reaction is pathetic. I am in no way defending him. The narrative that russians interfered with the election helps to de-legitimise Trump and only serves those who want him out of power.
brainbomb (325 D)
26 Jan 17 UTC
If theres an ongoin coitus disturbance in government I want to know about this.
SantaClausowitz (360 D)
26 Jan 17 UTC
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It do no such thing. If Trump would have accepted the conclusion this would be over already. There would still be protests based on his actions, but what made this news story isn't the hacking allegations, its trump's violent response against the intelligence community who said that they were. Trump made this into an adversarial issue because of his massive ego you are completely mischaracterizing how it went down, why? Because you are a contrarian, and that is what you do.
SantaClausowitz (360 D)
26 Jan 17 UTC
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The joke of all of this is that Trump's true legitimacy was NEVER threatened by this leak. From the start the intelligence community made it clear that there was no tampering with the voting machines and that this does not call for a new election. This is also hardly grounds for impeachment. The CIA's revelations never threatened Trump's presidency, which for some reason you feel they did. That is what made his reaction all the more ridiculous.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
26 Jan 17 UTC
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Republicans in congress are also trying to fuck things up for people.

https://www.romper.com/p/how-would-the-personhood-bill-affect-ivf-it-hurts-couples-relying-on-medical-intervention-32739

While the media is mostly distracted by the Clown-in-Chief

@Santa, you don't think that Trump felt these allegation threatened his legitimacy?

He knows and plays the media game. So he saw this report as a threat.

But the original question was, did the CIA have any actual evidence for Russian hacking. What were their motives i releasing this information?

You can refocus the story on what a childish asshole Trump is all day (And there are ample examples of this, so you're not wrong) but the Seymour Hersh article is rather revealing.

There is more nuance here than i imained. I just read Hersh's investigation of the Bin Laden murder; which is really illuminating. How fucked things have been under functional US administrations.

Currently you're looking at gag orders on scientists and park rangers, who are resisting with private twitter accounts. The collective body that is federal government, all its agencies and employees, is at odds with itself.
peterlund (1310 D (G))
26 Jan 17 UTC
Ora. Don't they have some constitutional way to dispose a president that is clearly unfit for the job?
orathaic (1009 D (B))
26 Jan 17 UTC
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We'll see.

The electoral college is supposed to prevent an unfit president from being elected, but that ship has sailed... Only about two electors defected from Trump (while something like 4 defected from Clinton, making this the election with the highest ever number of unfaithful electors - but 6 is not enough)
Matticus13 (2824 D)
26 Jan 17 UTC
There are two methods for removing the Executive. One is impeachment, where the President is charged with a crime, the House (majority) and Senate vote
Matticus13 (2824 D)
26 Jan 17 UTC
*Senate (2/3 majority) vote to out the official. The second is the 25th Amendment, where the President's Cabinet declares him unfit.
peterlund (1310 D (G))
26 Jan 17 UTC
"Treason: Conspiring with the enemy." Would work fine in this case...
Matticus13 (2824 D)
26 Jan 17 UTC
That definition applies to, at minimum, 90% of the House and Senate; they wouldn't want to endanger themselves or careers.
CAPT Brad (40 D X)
26 Jan 17 UTC
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The collective body that is federal government, all its agencies and employees, is at odds with itself. and that's how the framers wanted it to be. if the government is fighting with itself then they are leaving us alone. 'no man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session.'
Ogion (3898 D)
26 Jan 17 UTC
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Hirsch is a Russian tool. This is he guy who denied all evidence that Assad gassed his own people. He has another dictator to be an apologist for.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
27 Jan 17 UTC
@Ogion, thank you for your opinion.

It is possible that Assad didn't use chemical weapons. I may ask the UN, as this is literally the only thing i have any link to... But i don't know. Saying 'the US media lied about chemical weapons in Syria' doesn't automatically equate to being a russian stooge. It is possible that the US media lies to the public on a regular basis - like weapons of mass destruction in Iraq (which didn't exist)...

Also, Russia and the US disagree on which pipeline should be built in Syria, the Iranian backed one, or the Saudi backed one.

Whether the original 'arab spring'-style uprising in Syria was orchastrated by the US (and Saudis) or not doesn't prevent it from being true that the US wanted one pipeline and the Russians prefered another one. And the proxy war in which millions of Syrians died leaves a lot of blood to go around.

I don't give a fuck about a few hundred deaths by chemical weapons, when millions died and millions more fled their homes, because some cold war bullshit and regional powers can't agree to work together. Fuck you, and the horse you rode in on. The US is as bad, or worse than Russia, and if you can't see that (i may be drunk at this point and should apologise for the profanity...) more the brainwashing you been exposed to...
JamesYanik (548 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
@orathaic

"like weapons of mass destruction in Iraq (which didn't exist)... "

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-intelligence-documents-on-chemical-weapons-found-in-iraq.html
JamesYanik (548 D)
27 Jan 17 UTC
@orathaic

the right wingers definitely were nutty "they have missiles they can fire on us any day"

but the actual intelligence wasn't as faulty as you'd think.


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Yoyoyozo (172 D)
26 Jan 17 UTC
Yoyo live gunboat series.
Gunboat. 5min/phase. Every Sunday at 4pm CST. I'll post in this thread when a new game goes up, with in dept End of Game Analysis at the end, for open discussion. Post here or PM me to express interest.
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djnogueira (240 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
Last turn of a certain dead player can capture province?
Consider Autumn turn. A player has a single original supply center. His last unit is somewhere else.
His last supply center is captured. He will be dead when Fall begins. However, he is in a position where he can capture one of my many supply centers. Will I lose that supply center in the Fall if he moves to that providence?
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principians (881 D)
26 Jan 17 UTC
why is switzerland so rich?
First video in english of this channel, you might find it interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSLs5G4SPP4
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CAPT Brad (40 D X)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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Mary Tyler Moore, Who Incarnated the Modern Woman on TV, Dies at 80
She was fun, enlightening and interesting to watch
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Chaqa (4231 D (B))
25 Jan 17 UTC
Lusthog time
It's lusthog time. 2 games this go, same as usual:
- Gunboat
- No draws until stalemate
- No NMR
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The Ambassador (124 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
Dip Directions?
In episode 11 of the Diplomacy Games podcast Kaner and I discussed longevity aspects and risk management of sites like webDip and vDip to ensure they grow and reduce the chances of going down (either technically speaking or perceptions of IP infringement). We said we'd create a thread for this for others to contribute. What do you reckon?
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Jamiet99uk (795 D)
03 Jan 17 UTC
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MAFIA XXVI - GAME THREAD
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Flame (100 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
For Russian-speaking players
I still want to remind that russian-speaking players are also welcomed to Diplomail.Ru webdiplomacy server.
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WyattS14 (100 D (B))
25 Jan 17 UTC
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So apparently you can't join more than 10 games...
WebDip thinks I have a life. Funny
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ssorenn (0 D X)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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My gunboats are over, time for some new ones
36h,dss, 25pt, gunboats
3 games--please join if you can play all three
Please ready if you can-----
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fourofswords (440 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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Can we get 901 back?
Is it possible to get known world 901 variant back? with or without fixing bugs? It seems enough people like it.
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Condescension (10 D X)
20 Jan 17 UTC
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In less than 24 hours, a lunatic will be in control of the nuclear football.
We're fucked.
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The Ambassador (124 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
Latest podcast of Diplomacy Games
New podcast episode of DiplomacyGames.com is now live on the website, iTunes & Stitcher. Kaner and I trade barbs over our 1v1 performance, we go down the rabbit hole about the direction of the various Dip sites and have a bit of fun discussing the Africa variant over at VDip. Enjoy!
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ssorenn (0 D X)
23 Jan 17 UTC
Thomas Sowell
The worst president ever

https://youtu.be/0UpiNiaak18
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TrPrado (461 D Mod)
24 Jan 17 UTC
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Most Important Thread of the Year
The Oscars
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WyattS14 (100 D (B))
14 Jan 17 UTC
Phantasmagoria?
I'm a little confused as to how you would use the word phantasmagorical/phantasmagoria/etc. I understand the words meaning, but would it be used as a negative connotation or positive connotation?
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Ezio (1731 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
Most Elegant Stab
I am trying to find some examples of pretty looking stabs. I know people take pride in them, so what do you think is the best stab you've ever done on the site?
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0k0k0 (4755 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
Why can't I create a Known World Game?
The option does not appear in the list of variants.
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sirKristof (15 D X)
23 Jan 17 UTC
901?
I've been unable to find or create any new 901 variant games for a while now. It's still listed as active though! Anyone else have this issue?
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WyattS14 (100 D (B))
23 Jan 17 UTC
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US Election and Aftermath
I did this with my Asia Pacific thread. Let's see if a reasonable discussion on the possible outcome of this election could be. (Articles and counterpoints are more than welcome)
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captainmeme (1589 D Mod)
23 Jan 17 UTC
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diplomacy.avi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVvAl7G4xLI
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brainbomb (325 D)
15 Jan 17 UTC
Why God probably isnt real
I decided to open my imagination
I prayed about something recently. I asked God to give me signs. God gave me all the wrong signs. Therefore I submit this as Exhibit A, God is eother an asshole or doesnt exist. Discuss
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Jamiet99uk (795 D)
23 Jan 17 UTC
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"Alternative Facts"
Or, you know, what we used to just called "lies".
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Ezio (1731 D)
16 Jan 17 UTC
aaron rodgers is a god
I told everyone
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CommanderByron (863 D (S))
23 Jan 17 UTC
Let's Keep It Real
Conservatives- Resistant to change, confident in the status quo.
Liberals- Supportive of change, dissatisfied with the status quo.
If we stopped attacking each other for a few minutes these traits could be complimentary.
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Condescension (10 D X)
23 Jan 17 UTC
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Conservatives are socially awkward
I think I just figured it out. Conservatives are just fucking socially awkward. That's the only reason you could possibly not figure out that privilege is a thing.
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evanej (100 D)
20 Jan 17 UTC
How are you welcoming in Trump?
It is time!
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JamesYanik (548 D)
23 Jan 17 UTC
NEW WORLD RECORD
after only 4 hours, #alternativefacts is already being overused, just beating out the previous record held by #fakenews.

we fully expect to endure this for the next few days, until it to dies, or develops into something else (such as #bullshitnews)
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brainbomb (325 D)
21 Jan 17 UTC
I dont believe in the alphabet or languages
I think God did not actually create the alphabet. People did. People also made the tower of babel. Im agaist taxes being used to teach people the alphabet. God didnt create it, so its not important
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