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mapleleaf (0 DX)
12 Aug 14 UTC
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers are touring.
Steve Winwood is opening. Good setlists about four shows in. Anybody see them yet or about to.
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jimbursch (100 D)
20 Aug 14 UTC
Diplomacy group formed in Los Angeles
Hello Dip enthusiasts! If you are in southern California, check the new L.A. Diplomacy group that is forming:
http://www.meetup.com/Diplomacy-Players-of-Los-Angeles/
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
22 Jul 14 UTC
Anyone needs some webdesign?
I was going to do some webdesign for someone to earn some money in the holidays, but that project apparently got sort of cancelled and it's a bit late to apply for a holiday job now I think, so I'm offering my services again.. See first reply for what I can do. I copied it from the last time I advertised, in case anyone recognizes it.
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
04 Aug 14 UTC
WWI
Exactly 100 years ago, Britain declared war on Germany.
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
19 Aug 14 UTC
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Official WebDip Survey: Customer Satisfaction and Feedback
We are hoping to get your feedback about our site and what we can do to improve it. The survey should take less than 5 minutes to do. Here is the link: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ZKJBTX5
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2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
20 Aug 14 UTC
Replacement Italy
Needed in gameID=145499. First come first serve.
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trip (696 D(B))
20 Aug 14 UTC
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Lusthog Squad-8
Italy, please take down your draw vote.
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Emanuel Lasker (437 D)
19 Aug 14 UTC
Winner Take All vs Points Per Supply Center
Is there any way to tell after a game has started whether the scoring is Winner Take All or Points Per Supply Center?
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ag7433 (927 D(S))
18 Aug 14 UTC
101 Point Buy-In? WTA
Would there be any interest to this? If so, what phase length do you prefer.
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
06 Aug 14 UTC
SYnapse Ban
See inside for more.
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
19 Aug 14 UTC
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Kurdish Independence
After recapturing the Mosul Dam today (With help of US hardware and air strikes) the Kurds seem to be pushing ISIS back. They are also strengthening their own position.
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
29 Jul 14 UTC
Teaching a Computer to Play Go
I know there are some fans of Go here, so I thought I'd share this interesting article I read about the challenges of creating a computer to play Go. Details within.
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jimbursch (100 D)
18 Aug 14 UTC
Ever played Dip for money?
Has anyone ever played Diplomacy for real money?
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tendmote (100 D(B))
15 Aug 14 UTC
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DIE HARD
Did you know: The Die Hard movies of Bruce Willis are entirely improvised? The director merely provides a set and some weapons, and some Germans or something, and turns Willis loose in front of the cameras. Bruce Willis was born in Germany and can recognize their accents.

What things do you know?
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Barn3tt (41969 D)
14 Aug 14 UTC
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Large Pot Gunboat Game
1,000+ point buy-in
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brora (100 D)
17 Aug 14 UTC
The Worst Country
In your opinion, which is the worst - or weakest - country to play in Classic Diplomacy? Or, at least, the country you least prefer to play?
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
18 Aug 14 UTC
Backlash on Social Media
Yo Dawg, I heard you like posting Backlash on Facebook so I posted Backlash to your Backlash so you can Backlash the Backlash to the Backlash.
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Dharmaton (2398 D)
14 Aug 14 UTC
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JOKES
Newly-wed Barbara wants to make sure that she is doing everything properly. She goes to church and into the confession box, where Father Sullivan is sitting. ”Father,” asks Barbara, ”is it alright to have intercourse just before communion?” - ”Of course, my child,” replies the priest, ”as long as we don’t make too much noise.” ...
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
17 Aug 14 UTC
YouTube Artists?
How does the community feel about YouTube music artists?
I personally like them more than main stream music from a label.
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Synopsis (0 DX)
18 Aug 14 UTC
hey webdip
pls can we b frends
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
08 Aug 14 UTC
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Are you smarter than the previous webdipper?
A math/logic game.
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Tom Bombadil (4023 D(G))
16 Aug 14 UTC
The Biggest Hurdle in Online Diplomacy Play: Timing
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Tom Bombadil (4023 D(G))
16 Aug 14 UTC
I think this game is extremely well suited for online play, and I love playing on here since it is so difficult to do so in person, but to me there is one snag that really frustrates me and is an obstacle I struggle to overcome: Being online when the game starts.

This has played both in my favor and to my disadvantage, but I think it is a huge part of the game, and makes a big impact on whether or not you succeed in the game. Many times I've come to the board 8 hrs after the game started to find myself seemingly behind the rest of the board in communicating. And on the flip side, I know that if I am on when the game starts I strike up conversations with the other people who are on as I have that rush of starting a new game that keeps me very talkative.

The reason I bring this up is becasue it frustrates me when it happens to me, yet I am the type of player who does the very thing I find so frustrating. If I am France, and start the game where England is immediately online, I will talk England's ear off. It gets to the point where England and I have built so much rapport that Germany is way behind when he logs on, and I have already spent much of my time and energy working out ideas with England. I know that I should spend as much time talking to each power, but realistically I know that this isn't what actually happens. In this scenario, Germany is off to a poor start with me, only for the reason that he was not online at the time that the game started and I sent my initial messages.

Does anyone else view this as a negative, and is there any way to mitigate this from happening. I'm not saying it makes or breaks the game, but I do think it has great influence in how many games first years go.

Thoughts?
I agree completely with that. Not being around at the start of a game can be a huge disadvantage. I think a possible solution would be like what we have with live games, where regardless of the people signed up, the game starts at a scheduled time.
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
16 Aug 14 UTC
That would be interesting, to have a version where the first message of the game does not go through until all players have looked at the game board or the phase runs halfway down, or something along those lines.
The simplest fix I can think of is to apply the live game "start at a set time" rule to non-live games. It would be pretty simple I *think* - since live games start at the exact time they're set to start at in the pregame, you should theoretically be able to use the same code for non-live as well.

This would be a big fix too I think because I completely agree with the OP. Significant diplomatic energy gets expended on the first negotiations - they're typically your best negotiations, imo, because you don't have any other deals in your head that you're having to weigh. You have no compelling reason not to go through with reasonable deals brokered at the start of the game, because there aren't compelling counteroffers on the table yet.

So if we changed the settings such that all games start like live games do - at a preset time determined by the person creating the game at the outset - then this flaw gets mitigated, and I think games improve as a result.
NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
16 Aug 14 UTC
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I'll contact my friends in Palestine and check on a scale of 1 to 10 how awfully bothersome this is for them .... then maybe we can ask the Syrians, Iraqis, Sudanese, Eastern Ukrainians, Kurds, etc, etc. If we find this issue is a global concern I think definite action should be taken. Some people think Diplomacy is just a game but No, No, No ..... it's so much more.
Yonni (136 D(S))
16 Aug 14 UTC
Very much agree, Tom. I'd love to see the feature that PE described implimented.
Victorious (768 D)
16 Aug 14 UTC
The Solotion PE is offering is very nice, but unrealistic. People from Europe and Certainly Asia are not online when people from the America's log on. So you keep having the same problem.

A better solution would be a mail alert the moment the game start. That way, you have the option of getting online, but when you are asleep, you wont have to wake up for it.
PiC (2166 D)
16 Aug 14 UTC
If you care that much just set an alarm on your phone. I think this is on the player, before joining you can see when it starts so be there when it does.
CommanderByron (801 D(S))
16 Aug 14 UTC
What I do is at the start of each game I like to send a press like this to each player. "Id like to work together, but I'd like to know you would want out of our relationship first. So what can I offer that would make negations between us possible?" Then I log off. I log on whenever I wake up and since I wake up every 4 hours when I sleep I see the replies and can respond at my leisure. It builds me solid relations with every player and keeps me in the communications
steephie22 (182 D(S))
16 Aug 14 UTC
You wake up every 4 hours? Interesting.
Victorious, I don't see where your objection comes from - with live games, when you make a game, you choose how long the pregame period is supposed to be, and unlike non live games, the pregame period runs the whole length, and only starts when the pregame period ends. You know exactly when the game will start and can then try to be online when it starts if it matters that much to you (as it would for me!). Your timezone has nothing to do with it
CommanderByron (801 D(S))
16 Aug 14 UTC
Steephie I sleep weird. I'll go to he'd at like 2200 and wake up at 0200 then go back to sleep and my alarm wakes me at 0500 so that's every night.
Victorious (768 D)
16 Aug 14 UTC
PE, it doesnt matters that much for me honestly, i just try to tell that you just replace the problem to the preset moment. You have to be able to be online at that moment. If your at work/sleeping or socialising, it still doesnt work like you want to. So its just a partial solution. It does however creates a new problem. The one that you have enough players, but have to wait for another 4 days before the game starts. And i do think that is a bigger problem for a lot of people. So with an email notification, you solve the problem just as much, but you dont create a new problem, ergo, better solution.
But you know ahead of time that the game will start at X time, so it means that if you know you won't be around and it matters to you to be around, you can not sign up for that game. The email notification is a nonsolution IMO because it just moves the problem over a step - if you don't check your email when it starts then you still miss out. Like that might catch some people who check email more frequently than webdip, but I'm betting that number won't be nearly as high as the number of people you would catch by just making it known ahead of time when the game starts.

It would lead to longer processing times for sure, but just speaking from experience it's much more convenient to need to wait than to be stuck behind the 8-ball because the game processed while you were asleep and you had no idea that it would.
uclabb (589 D)
16 Aug 14 UTC
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I think talking about start time is reasonable, but it definitely isn't the fundamental problem with online diplomacy- the fundamental problem is that it is so effort driven. In a f2f game, everyone has the same time constraints so everyone talks about the same amount so the winner is usually the person who is the best at the game. In this long form setting, the winner (at least among players with relatively similar skill) is the person who puts in the most time. To me, that kinda sucks.
steephie22 (182 D(S))
16 Aug 14 UTC
Sleeping is occasionally quite tricky for me too. I certainly sleep longer than you as far as I know, but I almost never wake up fully rested. I haven't properly tested this theory yet, but I think it might work well for me to sleep twice a day, so like 4-6 hours at around midnight and 2-4 more hours in the afternoon or something like that.. I'd have to be flexible with school and everything obviously and I would certainly not worry about sleeping 'too long' at any point, unless I need to be somewhere of course.
Perhaps something like that would be a good idea for you too? That, rather than going back to sleep if you woke up at 2am, you just start early (it's nice outside at night!) and have a siesta in the afternoon or something?
steephie22 (182 D(S))
16 Aug 14 UTC
That's @Byron.
ssorenn (0 DX)
16 Aug 14 UTC
I think you guys are too young to get that little sleep. You need the REM sleep that you get from longer periods of sleep. Do you have sleep apnea? If so consult your doctor.
steephie22 (182 D(S))
16 Aug 14 UTC
I probably don't. I think I sleep more than most people (of my age too), actually. It just occurs to me that sleeping 8-12 hours at once works much less efficient for me than sleeping ~4-6 hours twice for example.

I am regularly stunned by some of my classmates who seem to go to bed at 0400, wake up at 0800 and simply look less tired than me.

I think the reason I need more rest than pretty much everyone, and perhaps in smaller intervals, is because I tend to do quite tiring activities whenever I'm awake. Physically and mentally.

I like the way of life as is though. I just think there's a good chance that sleeping twice a day would work better for me than once a day.
steephie22 (182 D(S))
16 Aug 14 UTC
Also, a sleeping cycle is about 90 minutes so as long as you make sure you sleep longer than that at one time, you shouldn't have to worry about missing out on any phase of sleeping. That's how I understand it anyway.

I think it's in many ways better to spread out the sleeping cycles over a day where possible. It makes sense to me in many ways.
Like I said though, if I don't need to be anywhere, I certainly won't worry about sleeping longer than planned at one time. I would make the transition in a fairly natural way.
ssorenn (0 DX)
16 Aug 14 UTC
If it works for you, god bless.
See I like that uclabb! I think that's an excellent change. Meritocracy is awesome.

Of course I also like live games which have more or less the same effect as f2f... And I'm #1 there, can I claim GOAT status on webdip? ;)
uclabb (589 D)
16 Aug 14 UTC
@PE- We both know that my rating would be higher than yours had I played the number of live games you have, especially if I resisted the urge to play gunboat. :-)
Oh I suck at gunboat man
At least compared to FP live
CommanderByron (801 D(S))
17 Aug 14 UTC
It's not that I am tired. It's just that I have a weird schedule. My body wakes me up at that time every night clockwork. So I think it's just that at some point my bodies internal clock set on it.
Victorious (768 D)
18 Aug 14 UTC
You two, go get a thread..
steephie22 (182 D(S))
18 Aug 14 UTC
You're derailing our thread, Victorious..


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tendmote (100 D(B))
16 Aug 14 UTC
Burden of Proof in International Politics
There's a convoy trying to go from Russia to Ukraine. Russia (read: Vladimir Putin) insists it is humanitarian aid. No one can prove otherwise. Does that mean Putin has to be taken at his word?
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
17 Aug 14 UTC
HELP!
So does anyone know what course of action I should take if my SS Card and Birth Certificate were stolen today. SSA is closed until monday and I do not know how much damage can be done in the 36 hours until they open.
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Dunecat (5899 D)
15 Aug 14 UTC
Large Pot Modern Diplomacy II (10 Players) Game
Full press
1000+ D buy-in
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Asian Knight (2136 D)
18 Aug 14 UTC
Looking for a player to join as Italy! gameID=145895
Interesting game and a decent position for Italy. Should be fun for whoever takes the spot! gameID=145895
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JamesYanik (548 D)
18 Aug 14 UTC
1 MORE FOR MODERN GAME
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
17 Aug 14 UTC
Soaking Mormons
I have heard that in the Mormon faith, pre-marital sex is only sinful if it involves vigorous movement. I have also heard that Mormon teens therefore practice "soaking", which involves penetrating the female partner, but then remaining still. They believe this is not sinful. Is this for real?
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Creigh (2930 D(G))
16 Aug 14 UTC
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Odd Retreat in World
In game GG-5 a fleet just retreated from Ddu to Vostok......but they share no coast. Is that supposed to happen?
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JamesYanik (548 D)
17 Aug 14 UTC
World 1 day left
gameID=145685
13/17 joined
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